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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 0:50:13 GMT -5
WWE, knowing that the Universal Championship is in its infancy, decided that Brock Lesnar, technically the most powerful wrestler on the roster, would give it long-term cred by being the guy to beat for it.
So maybe once Brock retires he will have added a lot of prestige to the UC title.
This could be their way of trying to make it outperform the WHC, as that's basically the Batista/Undertaker/Edge/HHH belt (also HBK's return belt, Cena even had it a few times), so the UC got big shoes to fill.
Edit 1: I'm trying to sorta look at it from Vince's POV here.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 10, 2019 0:53:10 GMT -5
he's hogging it because they more or less only built up Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar for the past few years and Roman is gone.
Everyone else was made to look inferior to both of them.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 0:57:39 GMT -5
he's hogging it because they more or less only built up Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar for the past few years and Roman is gone. Everyone else was made to look inferior to both of them. On Raw, yeah. If we're talking company wide, Bryan and AJ are on roughly their level, but they have a (much lesser) version of the same problem with people not being built up enough. It feels like we're at least closer to something decent with that Balor match pumping him up, but Brock should have been moved away from the title ages ago. Brock and Kevin Owens have given a new meaning to the term stagnation with that damned thing. (AJ with the WWE title belt wore out its welcome long before Bryan beat him for it, but I get that AJ is popular enough, and Jinder was so poorly received, that they wanted to try to ride that out, they just did it for too long.) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 1:01:50 GMT -5
I assume it's a mix of...
1. Braun was injured at the time and he, Roman, and Brock were the only guys they had bothered to build up.
2. Misguided belief that sooner or later Brock's going to magically make UFC fans start tuning in if they just keep at it.
3. WWE's usual belief that a lot of Youtube clicks translates to something tangible, since Brock is a draw there despite doing not seeming to do much of anything for the Network, TV, or attendance.
4. Raw writers having no clue how to even book a main event scene anymore given how even during the couple of months when Raw actually did have a top title they shoved Roman into a tag team as soon as possible and made it all about that instead of the belt.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 10, 2019 1:03:37 GMT -5
he's hogging it because they more or less only built up Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar for the past few years and Roman is gone. Everyone else was made to look inferior to both of them. On Raw, yeah. If we're talking company wide, Bryan and AJ are on roughly their level, but they have a (much lesser) version of the same problem with people not being built up enough. It feels like we're at least closer to something decent with that Balor match pumping him up, but Brock should have been moved away from the title ages ago. Brock and Kevin Owens have given a new meaning to the term stagnation with that damned thing. (AJ with the WWE title belt wore out its welcome long before Bryan beat him for it, but I get that AJ is popular enough, and Jinder was so poorly received, that they wanted to try to ride that out, they just did it for too long.) Yeah, I was talking about Raw specifically. I assume it's a mix of... 1. Braun was injured at the time and he, Roman, and Brock were the only guys they had bothered to build up. Braun also lost to Brock a bunch of times before that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 1:05:52 GMT -5
On Raw, yeah. If we're talking company wide, Bryan and AJ are on roughly their level, but they have a (much lesser) version of the same problem with people not being built up enough. It feels like we're at least closer to something decent with that Balor match pumping him up, but Brock should have been moved away from the title ages ago. Brock and Kevin Owens have given a new meaning to the term stagnation with that damned thing. (AJ with the WWE title belt wore out its welcome long before Bryan beat him for it, but I get that AJ is popular enough, and Jinder was so poorly received, that they wanted to try to ride that out, they just did it for too long.) Yeah, I was talking about Raw specifically. I assume it's a mix of... 1. Braun was injured at the time and he, Roman, and Brock were the only guys they had bothered to build up. Braun also lost to Brock a bunch of times before that. True, but at least there they had the excuse of, "Well, we're saving it for Roman!" Although I'm sure there's also probably an element of just plain not wanting to give him the belt for any length of time for whatever reason. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 1:08:10 GMT -5
Brock is their in case of emergency glass, except they always break it
It's a catch 22 because they want to keep Brock built up and the title around him but yet when the time comes they don't have anyone beat him cleanly for it which defeats the purpose of him having it
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 10, 2019 1:13:02 GMT -5
Brock is their in case of emergency glass, except they always break it It's a catch 22 because they want to keep Brock built up and the title around him but yet when the time comes they don't have anyone beat him cleanly for it which defeats the purpose of him having it Yeah, I mean even the obvious they are waiting to give it to Roman... ended with them not having him win clean. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 1:13:30 GMT -5
Honestly I think I might argue the Universal title is the single most useless major (as in not, like, the World Martial Arts title or something) belt WWE's ever had.
Like, the thing has been around for about three years now and... Can you name a single good storyline directly featuring it? A single classic match? A single reason you've ever been given to actually care about it?
I mean, I can think of a handful of good matches certainly - not a huge amount of time with how Brock's never around, KO's reign was f***ing awful, and no one else has had the chance to do anything with it, but I can think of some - but no all-time greats and even then that's being generous and counting the AJ match (not seen the Bryan one) that wasn't actually for the belt. And about the only really good segment I can think of that has ever involved the belt is the Festival of Friendship and even then that didn't actually have anything to do with the title and Owens lost it before it actually went anywhere.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 1:16:56 GMT -5
Brock is their in case of emergency glass, except they always break it It's a catch 22 because they want to keep Brock built up and the title around him but yet when the time comes they don't have anyone beat him cleanly for it which defeats the purpose of him having it Yeah, I mean even the obvious they are waiting to give it to Roman... ended with them not having him win clean. It's like with Luger, when Vince wanted to delay gratification on him beating Yokozuna, to try to drag it out until 'Mania for it to be a bigger pop, but it just wasn't going to work like that. Like how if Luger just beat Yokozuna at Summerslam, it'd have probably given them Lex, Bret, and Yoko as top guys and not made Luger look like a moron, dragging their heels on just having Roman beat him made a situation that already wasn't ideal so much worse. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 1:32:13 GMT -5
Brock is their in case of emergency glass, except they always break it It's a catch 22 because they want to keep Brock built up and the title around him but yet when the time comes they don't have anyone beat him cleanly for it which defeats the purpose of him having it Yeah, I mean even the obvious they are waiting to give it to Roman... ended with them not having him win clean. And then play it up as him slaying the beast
Idk whether it is intentional or not but Brock most decisive losses on the main roster has been too legends and even the most obvious solution they been running with in Roman beating Brock, they did that horribly
Even if you don't break Brock you should be at least be able to look good (See Ambrose) but that's not the case. None of the current roster has really gotten that rub from him and when you think about it that way, the Universal Title has no real prestige despite Brock holding it for eternity
Hell, whoever does beat Brock clean, will it really be as big an impact now?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 10, 2019 1:39:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean even the obvious they are waiting to give it to Roman... ended with them not having him win clean. And then play it up as him slaying the beast
Idk whether it is intentional or not but Brock most decisive losses on the main roster has been too legends and even the most obvious solution they been running with in Roman beating Brock, they did that horribly Even if you don't break Brock you should be at least be able to look good (See Ambrose) but that's not the case. None of the current roster has really gotten that rub from him and when you think about it that way, the Universal Title has no real prestige despite Brock holding it for eternity
Hell, whoever does beat Brock clean, will it really be as big an impact now?
I think it'll have an impact, and I will say that I think AJ, Daniel, and Balor got to look good in defeat versus Brock, but I'm having legitimate trouble thinking of who else did. Maaaaaaaaaybe Roman in their first match when Seth cashed in, since Roman at least got to slug it out with Brock, but they've overdone it so hard since then that it hardly even counts anymore, it retroactively soured it. The impact's going to be bittersweet, though, since even if they king someone with it, it's not going to make up for the damage they did booking Brock as they have. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 1:45:27 GMT -5
And then play it up as him slaying the beast
Idk whether it is intentional or not but Brock most decisive losses on the main roster has been too legends and even the most obvious solution they been running with in Roman beating Brock, they did that horribly Even if you don't break Brock you should be at least be able to look good (See Ambrose) but that's not the case. None of the current roster has really gotten that rub from him and when you think about it that way, the Universal Title has no real prestige despite Brock holding it for eternity
Hell, whoever does beat Brock clean, will it really be as big an impact now?
I think it'll have an impact, and I will say that I think AJ, Daniel, and Balor got to look good in defeat versus Brock, but I'm having legitimate trouble thinking of who else did. Maaaaaaaaaybe Roman in their first match when Seth cashed in, since Roman at least got to slug it out with Brock, but they've overdone it so hard since then that it hardly even counts anymore, it retroactively soured it. The impact's going to be bittersweet, though, since even if they king someone with it, it's not going to make up for the damage they did booking Brock as they have. I know a lot of people were under the opinion Joe looked good against him... though I have no idea WHY given the match consisted of Joe jumping him from behind, beating him half to death, and putting him through the announce table, only for Brock to get right back up, completely beat his ass, and pin him in six minutes. |
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Post by King Boo on Feb 10, 2019 1:59:16 GMT -5
Brock is their in case of emergency glass, except they always break it It's a catch 22 because they want to keep Brock built up and the title around him but yet when the time comes they don't have anyone beat him cleanly for it which defeats the purpose of him having it Because they've made him part of the reason there's an emergency. They just do not understand the predicament nobody but they created, to the point of continuing to make the same decisons over and over again in the face of why those decisons are a problem in the first place. |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 10, 2019 2:44:17 GMT -5
Hell, whoever does beat Brock clean, will it really be as big an impact now? It will probably be as big AS Impact is now. |
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 10, 2019 4:14:45 GMT -5
I think they just love the story of the big, untouchable beast that no one (except Roman) can beat. They've hammered that into the ground, to the extent that the aura Brock used to have has turned into boredom from the fans. Even with the Finn vs Brock match, the only intrigue was 'how good will Finn look in defeat?'
They're probably going to have Rollins beat him at Wrestlemania, although that matchup, and the prospect of Rollins as champion, really does nothing for me.
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Post by TGM on Feb 10, 2019 4:32:08 GMT -5
A win over Brock Lesnar means more than winning the Universal Championship. My knee jerk reaction is WWE should retire the belt but a wrestler as powerful as Lesnar would want to be champion in kayfabe. I don't want him anywhere near the actual WWE title.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 10, 2019 4:51:03 GMT -5
It might be kind of fun if they Moolah the UC and Lesnar. Like, the belt isn’t active, but Lesnar is still the champ even if he only shows up like once or twice a year. Have him hold the damn thing until he’s in his 50’s.
Ideally, you’d have the WWE title defended against challengers on both brands (and, hell, maybe even NXT and 205 Live) to allow for the largest possible pool of opponents. Leave the IC and US titles as the de-facto “brand” titles.
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 10, 2019 5:25:36 GMT -5
He’s not “hogging” shit. If Vince decided to have him drop it this weekend at a house show he’d do it.
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 10, 2019 5:50:54 GMT -5
The answer is that they are not really smart people.
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