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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 7:54:19 GMT -5
the real universal champion
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 10, 2019 8:15:06 GMT -5
Honestly I think I might argue the Universal title is the single most useless major (as in not, like, the World Martial Arts title or something) belt WWE's ever had. Like, the thing has been around for about three years now and... Can you name a single good storyline directly featuring it? A single classic match? A single reason you've ever been given to actually care about it? I mean, I can think of a handful of good matches certainly - not a huge amount of time with how Brock's never around, KO's reign was f***ing awful, and no one else has had the chance to do anything with it, but I can think of some - but no all-time greats and even then that's being generous and counting the AJ match (not seen the Bryan one) that wasn't actually for the belt. And about the only really good segment I can think of that has ever involved the belt is the Festival of Friendship and even then that didn't actually have anything to do with the title and Owens lost it before it actually went anywhere. It's been around two and a half years and I still don't consider it a World Title. At this point it just feels like a prop for Paul Heyman to cut promos with. Because you're right, there are no classic matches. No big moments. No memorable angles. It's just something Brock wears to the ring before he beats another full time guy.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 10, 2019 9:20:42 GMT -5
Because there is no one else WWE sees a star. And you are only beating Lesnar if WWE thinks you will become/is a star.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 10, 2019 10:44:18 GMT -5
Lazy booking? Vince still thinking that the ufc fans will tune in despite the fact that most of them don’t give a f*** about wrestling?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 12:06:51 GMT -5
Honestly I think I might argue the Universal title is the single most useless major (as in not, like, the World Martial Arts title or something) belt WWE's ever had. Like, the thing has been around for about three years now and... Can you name a single good storyline directly featuring it? A single classic match? A single reason you've ever been given to actually care about it? I mean, I can think of a handful of good matches certainly - not a huge amount of time with how Brock's never around, KO's reign was f***ing awful, and no one else has had the chance to do anything with it, but I can think of some - but no all-time greats and even then that's being generous and counting the AJ match (not seen the Bryan one) that wasn't actually for the belt. And about the only really good segment I can think of that has ever involved the belt is the Festival of Friendship and even then that didn't actually have anything to do with the title and Owens lost it before it actually went anywhere. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed a lot of the Brock/Goldberg program. Their limitations actually resulted in a really fun and smartly booked match at Mania 33. We constantly see matches go five minutes longer than they need to with a bunch of false finishes, so it was refreshing to see a quick and brutal car crash - it felt as close to an actual fight as you'll see in pro wrestling. This was before Brock reached go away territory for me as well.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 10, 2019 12:26:05 GMT -5
Even their “big moment” of Roman defeating Brock f***ing sucked because it was flukey as hell with run ins and shenanigans. Not to mention dude came back two weeks later and beat the shit out of Roman and Braun again. Like even if Roman’s cancer didn’t come back, I still think they would have put the belt back on Brock. There’s no way Brock was gonna dip and leave the company at a Saudi Arabia show he didn’t main event.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 10, 2019 12:35:35 GMT -5
Honestly I think I might argue the Universal title is the single most useless major (as in not, like, the World Martial Arts title or something) belt WWE's ever had. Like, the thing has been around for about three years now and... Can you name a single good storyline directly featuring it? A single classic match? A single reason you've ever been given to actually care about it? I mean, I can think of a handful of good matches certainly - not a huge amount of time with how Brock's never around, KO's reign was f***ing awful, and no one else has had the chance to do anything with it, but I can think of some - but no all-time greats and even then that's being generous and counting the AJ match (not seen the Bryan one) that wasn't actually for the belt. And about the only really good segment I can think of that has ever involved the belt is the Festival of Friendship and even then that didn't actually have anything to do with the title and Owens lost it before it actually went anywhere. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed a lot of the Brock/Goldberg program. Their limitations actually resulted in a really fun and smartly booked match at Mania 33. We constantly see matches go five minutes longer than they need to with a bunch of false finishes, so it was refreshing to see a quick and brutal car crash - it felt as close to an actual fight as you'll see in pro wrestling. This was before Brock reached go away territory for me as well. Brock/Goldberg at 33 is arguably the best "Under 5 Minute Match" ever. That said, it does show how crappy the title is when a very short match consisting of a part-timer and someone who was retired throwing finishers at each other is head and shoulders above any other match for the belt.
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 10, 2019 12:48:20 GMT -5
Random numbers. Since 2014, Brock has held a version of the world title every year with the exception of 2016 for a combined total (as of today) of 828 days holding either the WWE or Universal championship. And he's at least holding onto that Universal Title, barring freak injury, until Wrestlemania.
Edit - more random numbers: Counting his first WWE run, Brock has held a version of the world title for a total of 1,184 days. If you want to go all Apter mag and include New Japan's world title, he's held a version of the world title for a combined 1,464 days, and including the UFC title reigns, a combined 2,171 days as some form of world champion.
In the 18 years since his debut (not counting college or OVW), there have only been 5 calendar years where he didn't hold a world title of some form, and of those five, he was inactive for 2 of them with contract issues/MMA training.
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Post by isink on Feb 10, 2019 13:44:22 GMT -5
I assume it's a mix of... 1. Braun was injured at the time and he, Roman, and Brock were the only guys they had bothered to build up. 2. Misguided belief that sooner or later Brock's going to magically make UFC fans start tuning in if they just keep at it. 3. WWE's usual belief that a lot of Youtube clicks translates to something tangible, since Brock is a draw there despite doing not seeming to do much of anything for the Network, TV, or attendance. 4. Raw writers having no clue how to even book a main event scene anymore given how even during the couple of months when Raw actually did have a top title they shoved Roman into a tag team as soon as possible and made it all about that instead of the belt. Youtube is providing a revenue for wwe.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 10, 2019 14:16:23 GMT -5
Lesnar matches have a main event championship feel to them. Absolutely nobody else on the roster has the same feeling. Everybody else fluctuates through the roster from mid card back and forth with such frequency it’s useless.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 10, 2019 14:20:04 GMT -5
He won’t give it back because he needs it to prop up the table in his kitchen and Vince is just going to have to wait till Brock gets around to fixing the table properly.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Feb 10, 2019 14:20:39 GMT -5
Honestly I think I might argue the Universal title is the single most useless major (as in not, like, the World Martial Arts title or something) belt WWE's ever had. The Champ wants a word with you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 14:52:20 GMT -5
Lesnar matches have a main event championship feel to them. Absolutely nobody else on the roster has the same feeling. Everybody else fluctuates through the roster from mid card back and forth with such frequency it’s useless. That's a bad thing. It's the result of cutting the legs off of your talent and spending years telling us that Brock is 5 tiers above everyone else on the roster because UFC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 15:39:22 GMT -5
Brock catches a lot of shit, sometimes rightfully, sometimes not, but he’s a special talent and if you’ve got him part time may as well have him as the champ. I really never minded it because the WWE books everyone like shit, why should Brock’s title reigns be any different? I still like the big lug.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 15:44:59 GMT -5
I assume it's a mix of... 1. Braun was injured at the time and he, Roman, and Brock were the only guys they had bothered to build up. 2. Misguided belief that sooner or later Brock's going to magically make UFC fans start tuning in if they just keep at it. 3. WWE's usual belief that a lot of Youtube clicks translates to something tangible, since Brock is a draw there despite doing not seeming to do much of anything for the Network, TV, or attendance. 4. Raw writers having no clue how to even book a main event scene anymore given how even during the couple of months when Raw actually did have a top title they shoved Roman into a tag team as soon as possible and made it all about that instead of the belt. Youtube is providing a revenue for wwe. Yeah, but barely much of a blip on things. Their entire Youtube revenue for last year was only about $9 million and even then Brock's only actually responsible for a small fraction of that given the sheer amount of stuff they put on Youtube.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 10, 2019 15:53:18 GMT -5
Brock catches a lot of shit, sometimes rightfully, sometimes not, but he’s a special talent and if you’ve got him part time may as well have him as the champ. I really never minded it because the WWE books everyone like shit, why should Brock’s title reigns be any different? I still like the big lug. The problem is with Brock being part time the title doesn't exist when he's not around. It happened with the WWE title, and it continued both times with the universal title. The UT has yet to even be cemented or get any prestige before its disappeared for like a year and a half. No one mentions it, no one claims they're going to prove they deserve a shot at it... no one calls out brock... no one fights other people to get a number one Contenders shot. It may as well not exist. On top of that Brock doesn't need a title he's already a part time end boss monster. Having a belt on his waist doesn't really add anything.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 10, 2019 16:22:52 GMT -5
Does Brock even have what you'd call a character anymore?
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 10, 2019 16:37:32 GMT -5
You’d hope that with a championship that’s roughly non existed most weeks it would force the writers to come up with something for the wrestlers to do that involves more than “they’re fighting over a belt”. But instead now it’s “they’re fighting over the woman’s title, they’re fighting over the IC title” and nobody cares because those tiles haven’t meant anything for a decade and a half
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 10, 2019 17:41:22 GMT -5
Does Brock even have what you'd call a character anymore? No, but Heyman does. That's not nothing.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 10, 2019 18:14:36 GMT -5
Does Brock even have what you'd call a character anymore? Large red hued angry man
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