Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Feb 11, 2019 11:18:20 GMT -5
Here's a bit of trivia. With Jay winning he is the 14th wrestler to only have one reign with the belt so far. There have been 29 champions. If a first time champion wins the belt from Jay then half of all IWGP Heavy Champs will have only have had one reign. I actually like this more than WWE's "keep piling this guys with title wins".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 11:38:45 GMT -5
Yea I predicted this a few months ago and it basically was written in stone once he beat Okada clean at WK
We should probably get their rematch soon enough
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 11:47:23 GMT -5
How so? They are basically giving him the same treatment as Okada
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lionheart21
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 11, 2019 11:49:17 GMT -5
I knew that Jay White was gonna hold the title at some point, but wasn't expecting it to be this soon. No complaints here, though.
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 11, 2019 11:51:09 GMT -5
How so? They are basically giving him the same treatment as Okada Just totally do not see White as a main event level player, at least not yet. It reeks of them worrying about their western expansion and putting the title on a foreigner for that reason. Maybe he’s just not for me and everyone else is into him.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Feb 11, 2019 11:57:41 GMT -5
Didn’t see any discussion of this huge news. Thoughts? Dude, we just woke up! Hang on, let me pour a bowl of Count Chocula and put a batch of Creepy Crawlers in the Thingmaker and then we'll discuss.
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Post by TGM on Feb 11, 2019 12:00:02 GMT -5
Jay White rules. I wasn't expecting him to win the title so soon though. I would have preferred a longer chase. I wonder if Okada will be the man to beat him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 12:03:18 GMT -5
How so? They are basically giving him the same treatment as Okada Just totally do not see White as a main event level player, at least not yet. It reeks of them worrying about their western expansion and putting the title on a foreigner for that reason. Maybe he’s just not for me and everyone else is into him. I disagree on putting the title on him cause of that. If he was Japanese they would have put the title on him. He’s been hyped as the biggest prospect since Okada since Day 1 and he’s proved them absolutely right He’s fine tuned his gimmick, is a very solid wrestler, and just has that appeal. Compare his 1st match against a hobbled Tanahashi last year to his match against Okada this year and his improvement is f***ing massive They are showing everyone why they are making him a big deal and have hammered home him basically being the Western Okada since the G1. Him and Okada is going to have the same rivalry that Okada/Tana had at the start of his career White first reign won’t be long. He will drop it to Okada or Naito at Dominion but this is to get the image in people head they aren’t playing around with him and he’s now a solidified main eventer for them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 12:07:35 GMT -5
Just hearing of this but coming out of Wrestle Kingdom I thought it was the completely obvious booking move so I'm not at all surprised.
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salz4life
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Post by salz4life on Feb 11, 2019 12:08:40 GMT -5
I really like his heel persona. I'm sure, as others have said, this won't be a long reign.... but it shows that NJPW believe in him, IMO. This is cool.
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 11, 2019 12:26:40 GMT -5
Thread title just spoiled it for me, as I had planned on watching this show later tonight after work. Thanks!! Probably should stay away from wrestling sites/boards if you don’t have any results from shows spoiled for a late watch. No, you're right. I'm not mad at you or anyone. Just frustrated at myself. Shoulda known better.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 11, 2019 12:37:28 GMT -5
Hey, maybe AEW will run MSG at some point in the future and then you can go back and actually see the talent you wanted in the first place? I'm glad to not have bothered with Honor Club at the moment since to get the PPVs without paying extra you have to do some year long commitment.
Honestly I don't get the White thing. He's decent, can be great at times, but at this point you ask yourself "What would this guy be in WWE?" At least with the gaijins you can do that easily. Kenny Omega would almost certainly be the WWE champion if he went there. AJ Styles has been the WWE champion. I doubt White would be. What's odd is that the idea of Bullet Club is that they've been a heel NWO style group in Japan, but are popular antiheroes in America and Europe. White is not a popular antihero, he's just a total heel that's hated everywhere. Add in that this version of the BC has several native Japanese guys in it, including the company's main booker and associate booker (Gedo, Jado), Ishimori, and of course Yujiro (who has been in it for years). So apparently the idea of it being an outsider gaijin group is gone. But if that isn't what the group is...then what is it?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 12:40:34 GMT -5
Hey, maybe AEW will run MSG at some point in the future and then you can go back and actually see the talent you wanted in the first place? I'm glad to not have bothered with Honor Club at the moment since to get the PPVs without paying extra you have to do some year long commitment. Honestly I don't get the White thing. He's decent, can be great at times, but at this point you ask yourself "What would this guy be in WWE?" At least with the gaijins you can do that easily. Kenny Omega would almost certainly be the WWE champion if he went there. AJ Styles has been the WWE champion. I doubt White would be. What's odd is that the idea of Bullet Club is that they've been a heel NWO style group in Japan, but are popular antiheroes in America and Europe. White is not a popular antihero, he's just a total heel that's hated everywhere. Add in that this version of the BC has several native Japanese guys in it, including the company's main booker and associate booker (Gedo, Jado), Ishimori, and of course Yujiro (who has been in it for years). So apparently the idea of it being an outsider gaijin group is gone. But if that isn't what the group is...then what is it? He’d be a star in WWE. He’s tall, shredded, got a good look and can talk
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 11, 2019 12:52:48 GMT -5
Hey, maybe AEW will run MSG at some point in the future and then you can go back and actually see the talent you wanted in the first place? I'm glad to not have bothered with Honor Club at the moment since to get the PPVs without paying extra you have to do some year long commitment. Honestly I don't get the White thing. He's decent, can be great at times, but at this point you ask yourself "What would this guy be in WWE?" At least with the gaijins you can do that easily. Kenny Omega would almost certainly be the WWE champion if he went there. AJ Styles has been the WWE champion. I doubt White would be. What's odd is that the idea of Bullet Club is that they've been a heel NWO style group in Japan, but are popular antiheroes in America and Europe. White is not a popular antihero, he's just a total heel that's hated everywhere. Add in that this version of the BC has several native Japanese guys in it, including the company's main booker and associate booker (Gedo, Jado), Ishimori, and of course Yujiro (who has been in it for years). So apparently the idea of it being an outsider gaijin group is gone. But if that isn't what the group is...then what is it? He’d be a star in WWE. He’s tall, shredded, got a good look and can talk Also what the hell would his spot in WWE be do with anything related to NJPW? It’s like if I went “Man, Brian Cage would suck as Impact champion because where would he be in WWE? Nowhere”
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Post by corndog on Feb 11, 2019 12:54:33 GMT -5
Probably should stay away from wrestling sites/boards if you don’t have any results from shows spoiled for a late watch. No, you're right. I'm not mad at you or anyone. Just frustrated at myself. Shoulda known better. At least your brother didn't spoil it by text right before you watched the match. I even stayed off the internet to avoid spoilers.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Feb 11, 2019 13:16:32 GMT -5
Pretty much confirms that Tana was never planned to win the belt until Omega decided to split. Ah well, I dig White so this is a good move, I'm hoping he loses it to Naito and not Okada.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 13:18:34 GMT -5
Pretty much confirms that Tana was never planned to win the belt until Omega decided to split. Ah well, I dig White so this is a good move, I'm hoping he loses it to Naito and not Okada. Not necessarily. Tana was never going to have a long reign regardless. He was going to drop it by Dominion if he held it that long
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 11, 2019 13:25:11 GMT -5
Hey, maybe AEW will run MSG at some point in the future and then you can go back and actually see the talent you wanted in the first place? I'm glad to not have bothered with Honor Club at the moment since to get the PPVs without paying extra you have to do some year long commitment. Honestly I don't get the White thing. He's decent, can be great at times, but at this point you ask yourself "What would this guy be in WWE?" At least with the gaijins you can do that easily. Kenny Omega would almost certainly be the WWE champion if he went there. AJ Styles has been the WWE champion. I doubt White would be. What's odd is that the idea of Bullet Club is that they've been a heel NWO style group in Japan, but are popular antiheroes in America and Europe. White is not a popular antihero, he's just a total heel that's hated everywhere. Add in that this version of the BC has several native Japanese guys in it, including the company's main booker and associate booker (Gedo, Jado), Ishimori, and of course Yujiro (who has been in it for years). So apparently the idea of it being an outsider gaijin group is gone. But if that isn't what the group is...then what is it? Shitbag heels. Like the original BC sans the gaijin-only factor.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Feb 11, 2019 13:35:43 GMT -5
I'm gonna 'wait and see' but I am pretty optimistic. Seemed obvious White was going to win considering how heavily he's been pushed. That and the Omega factor. And also the need to restore Bullet Club's relevance since The Elite's exodus. Jay White isn't my favorite but it's a step in the right direction for NJPW as the last few months haven't exactly been the kindest to them. Now with Ibushi likely back in the mix for an extended capacity we might get to see an exciting program between the two. I'm stoked.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Feb 11, 2019 13:37:34 GMT -5
Hey, maybe AEW will run MSG at some point in the future and then you can go back and actually see the talent you wanted in the first place? I'm glad to not have bothered with Honor Club at the moment since to get the PPVs without paying extra you have to do some year long commitment. Honestly I don't get the White thing. He's decent, can be great at times, but at this point you ask yourself "What would this guy be in WWE?" At least with the gaijins you can do that easily. Kenny Omega would almost certainly be the WWE champion if he went there. AJ Styles has been the WWE champion. I doubt White would be. What's odd is that the idea of Bullet Club is that they've been a heel NWO style group in Japan, but are popular antiheroes in America and Europe. White is not a popular antihero, he's just a total heel that's hated everywhere. Add in that this version of the BC has several native Japanese guys in it, including the company's main booker and associate booker (Gedo, Jado), Ishimori, and of course Yujiro (who has been in it for years). So apparently the idea of it being an outsider gaijin group is gone. But if that isn't what the group is...then what is it? Shitbag heels. Like the original BC sans the gaijin-only factor. The non-gaijin factor not being a thing anymore feels kinda weird and Bullet Club now reminds me of a stronger Suzuki-Gun. But the heelish dirtbag nature of the group feels like the 2013 incarnation again.
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