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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:07:05 GMT -5
Jay's story is kind of amazing too Won tickets to WrestleMania 27, got him back into wrestling, moved to the other side of the world to train, got noticed + recommended by Devitt, went to NJPW with no knowledge of the company, + beats their biggest stars + becomes 4th youngest champ Friggen amazing ride. I'm floored by the idea of someone coming away from Mania 27 thinking they should watch MORE wrestling. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 11, 2019 17:11:43 GMT -5
Jay's story is kind of amazing too Won tickets to WrestleMania 27, got him back into wrestling, moved to the other side of the world to train, got noticed + recommended by Devitt, went to NJPW with no knowledge of the company, + beats their biggest stars + becomes 4th youngest champ Friggen amazing ride. Hey can I have an honest discussion with no flaming. Just a question since you are in the majority of people I know that do this: You hated on Roman for years on this forum and you support this? This is literally the same thing. I really want to know, I didnt like Roman too but atleast I am not supporting this now. Because Roman was pushed as an unwanted superface who was thoroughly rejected in that role, and which involved several years of insisting "NO! YOU LIKE ROMAN!" and people in the company shittalking the fans for being contrarian and pretending they didn't. You really can't tell the difference here? |
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Post by AwamoriRock on Feb 11, 2019 17:12:16 GMT -5
Jay's story is kind of amazing too Won tickets to WrestleMania 27, got him back into wrestling, moved to the other side of the world to train, got noticed + recommended by Devitt, went to NJPW with no knowledge of the company, + beats their biggest stars + becomes 4th youngest champ Friggen amazing ride. Hey can I have an honest discussion with no flaming. Just a question since you are in the majority of people I know that do this: You hated on Roman for years on this forum and you support this? This is literally the same thing. I really want to know, I didnt like Roman too but atleast I am not supporting this now. White had a lot of fan support as a baby face young lion and although the requisites are a bit different via dojo culture and excursion, I don’t think you can say it’s literally the same thing. |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 11, 2019 17:19:46 GMT -5
Hey can I have an honest discussion with no flaming. Just a question since you are in the majority of people I know that do this: You hated on Roman for years on this forum and you support this? This is literally the same thing. I really want to know, I didnt like Roman too but atleast I am not supporting this now. Because Roman was pushed as an unwanted superface who was thoroughly rejected in that role, and which involved several years of insisting "NO! YOU LIKE ROMAN!" and people in the company shittalking the fans for being contrarian and pretending they didn't. You really can't tell the difference here? If the Roman booking applied, Jay White would have beaten Okada clean for the title, then would defeat the more popular Kenny Omega in a title defense 3 times in a row(Afterwards Omega would endorse Jay),then he would somehow win the G1. Plus,people like Jay White |
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 11, 2019 17:32:55 GMT -5
Ok maybe I just cant stay neutral on this topic.
I feel like everyone on here and Reddit is trolling me with this and everyones in on the joke. I think Will Smith as the Genie beating Tanahashi would have been more realistic and also he would probably be a better wrestler in a couple of days as well.
I cancelled my subscription and I know a lot of people did as well. Really suprised by the reaction here.
I mean just look at the finish of the match...imagine if Roman did it like that.
Anyway I wont write about this again since I know its a dick move in a celebration thread.
Congrats to the person behind the character, everyone would take that push.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Feb 11, 2019 17:42:46 GMT -5
I've been all in on Jay White for a while now, so I think this is a tremendous move. I don't think it'll be a particularly long reign (I think the latest that he'll drop it is Dominion), but between the Okada win and this, he is a made man in the main event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:55:21 GMT -5
Ok maybe I just cant stay neutral on this topic. I feel like everyone on here and Reddit is trolling me with this and everyones in on the joke. I think Will Smith as the Genie beating Tanahashi would have been more realistic and also he would probably be a better wrestler in a couple of days as well. I cancelled my subscription and I know a lot of people did as well. Really suprised by the reaction here. I mean just look at the finish of the match...imagine if Roman did it like that. Anyway I wont write about this again since I know its a dick move in a celebration thread. Congrats to the person behind the character, everyone would take that push. I really don't get the comparison. This is more like WWE strapping up young heel The Rock in 98 rather than WWE stubbornly pushing Roman as the biggest babyface on the roster despite very negative crowd reaction. It's just apples and oranges. |
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2019 18:57:09 GMT -5
I really appreciate how NJPW has basically done a somewhat dark version of the Okada push to the guy who basically took most of his shine from him. I also think the comparisons between the two are what makes this really interesting: He's got Gedo by his side; Beat Tana for the belt at New Beginning; Has a one hit kill finisher; And is generally unproven in the main event (although significantly less so than Okada was at that point).
It's also really refreshing to see someone completely new in the world title scene that isn't either part of the Tana/Okada/Naito/Omega circle, or a Goto/Suzuki/Fale bum title defence. Considering how many guys they've lost this year, they needed to build someone new, and to their credit they've stuck it out with White all the way through.
I'm definitely interested to see where things are going. I think I can make a general guess where things will end up by WK, but it's really nice to see NJPW book outside of their usual box in between. Especially in recent years how it's felt like some guys get compartmentalized in their booking, staying stagnant in a single division without any noticeable upward progression.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 11, 2019 19:04:40 GMT -5
Okada was much more of a Roman booking situation than White. People forget that Okada had literally done nothing in NJPW before his push. He was a Young Lion and had a bad excursion in TNA. He returned, won a lame match and then beat Tanahashi for the title. He's been Superman since.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2019 19:19:03 GMT -5
Okada was much more of a Roman booking situation than White. People forget that Okada had literally done nothing in NJPW before his push. He was a Young Lion and had a bad excursion in TNA. He returned, won a lame match and then beat Tanahashi for the title. He's been Superman since. I think that's mainly due to a lot of fans getting into NJPW while Okada was already established. If you go back to his early stuff post-TNA, he looked weird, acts really awkward, and even his early Rainmaker was more like a neckbreaker thing than the lariat it became. He kind of more resembled Kona Reeves than what we know as Kazuchika Okada now. Then soon after NJPW patched in the necessary updates, got rid of the initial bugs, and he's never looked back. Jay White is 100 times the finished product Okada was when he first took the belt. To say this is some shark jumping moment in New Japan just shows a lack of historical knowledge of the company. |
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 11, 2019 19:29:22 GMT -5
Jay White is IWGP Champion!?!?
I guess NJPW needs their Jinder Mahal too
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Post by chrom on Feb 11, 2019 19:31:55 GMT -5
Jay White is IWGP Champion!?!? I guess NJPW needs their Jinder Mahal too You can't possibly compare the two to one another. |
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Post by abjordans on Feb 11, 2019 19:47:37 GMT -5
Question for more well versed NJPW fans: Why is there no backlash against White from fans? He doesn’t seem to be in the top 5 most over people on the roster, maybe not top 10. Yet, he has been slammed over- beating Omega, Okada, and Tanahashi. I would disagree on him not being over Also as mentioned in this thread since day 1 they brought him back they have hyped him up big as the biggest prospect since Okada. He first 2-3 months were rough but once the summer came he hit his stride which lead to him losing the title to Juice and moving on to the feud with Okada
Gedo has made it no secret he sees him as a big deal and everyone knew once he beat Okada at WK and Tana won the belt that it was a strong chance White was on his way to winning it as well He's basically mirroring young Okada from having Gedo as a manager, being a cocky but good son of a bitch, and now beating Tana for the title His reign won't last past Dominion imo but everyone sees the writing on the wall
I didn’t say he wasn’t over, but there are def 5-10 acts more over than him. Let’s play Devil’s Advocate here. You say Gedo sees him as a big deal and was going to make him he top guy. Why does NJPW seeing a guy they want in that spot and making sure he gets there not get the backlash other companies get when doing that? |
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Post by Starshine on Feb 11, 2019 19:50:57 GMT -5
I would disagree on him not being over Also as mentioned in this thread since day 1 they brought him back they have hyped him up big as the biggest prospect since Okada. He first 2-3 months were rough but once the summer came he hit his stride which lead to him losing the title to Juice and moving on to the feud with Okada
Gedo has made it no secret he sees him as a big deal and everyone knew once he beat Okada at WK and Tana won the belt that it was a strong chance White was on his way to winning it as well He's basically mirroring young Okada from having Gedo as a manager, being a cocky but good son of a bitch, and now beating Tana for the title His reign won't last past Dominion imo but everyone sees the writing on the wall
I didn’t say he wasn’t over, but there are def 5-10 acts more over than him. Let’s play Devil’s Advocate here. You say Gedo sees him as a big deal and was going to make him he top guy. Why does NJPW seeing a guy they want in that spot and making sure he gets there not get the backlash other companies get when doing that? Cause they did the exact same thing with Okada, and it worked gangbusters. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 19:55:06 GMT -5
I would disagree on him not being over Also as mentioned in this thread since day 1 they brought him back they have hyped him up big as the biggest prospect since Okada. He first 2-3 months were rough but once the summer came he hit his stride which lead to him losing the title to Juice and moving on to the feud with Okada
Gedo has made it no secret he sees him as a big deal and everyone knew once he beat Okada at WK and Tana won the belt that it was a strong chance White was on his way to winning it as well He's basically mirroring young Okada from having Gedo as a manager, being a cocky but good son of a bitch, and now beating Tana for the title His reign won't last past Dominion imo but everyone sees the writing on the wall
I didn’t say he wasn’t over, but there are def 5-10 acts more over than him. Let’s play Devil’s Advocate here. You say Gedo sees him as a big deal and was going to make him he top guy. Why does NJPW seeing a guy they want in that spot and making sure he gets there not get the backlash other companies get when doing that? I disagree. As a heel act he's in the top 10 and draws heat. Okada finally got the big babyface reaction at WK in part thanks to Jay White and how good he's been antagonizing him
And Gedo has earned himself benefit of doubt. He hit a Homerun on Okada who's going to still be there Ace for what could be another 10 years. With NJPW it is always about the bigger picture so when Gedo makes this booking decision, he most likely has a conclusion in mind already and people are willing to see it through
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 11, 2019 19:55:27 GMT -5
Jay White is IWGP Champion!?!? I guess NJPW needs their Jinder Mahal too You can't possibly compare the two to one another. You’re probably right, it’s more JBL in 2004 levels of “what the f***?” |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 11, 2019 19:57:42 GMT -5
Jay White is IWGP Champion!?!? I guess NJPW needs their Jinder Mahal too Not even remotely the same |
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Post by abjordans on Feb 11, 2019 20:03:13 GMT -5
Ok maybe I just cant stay neutral on this topic. I feel like everyone on here and Reddit is trolling me with this and everyones in on the joke. I think Will Smith as the Genie beating Tanahashi would have been more realistic and also he would probably be a better wrestler in a couple of days as well. I cancelled my subscription and I know a lot of people did as well. Really suprised by the reaction here. I mean just look at the finish of the match...imagine if Roman did it like that. Anyway I wont write about this again since I know its a dick move in a celebration thread. Congrats to the person behind the character, everyone would take that push. I honestly didn’t mean it as a celebration thread, just general discussion. I don’t get putting the third biggest title in wrestling on the guy either. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 11, 2019 20:18:05 GMT -5
Okada was much more of a Roman booking situation than White. People forget that Okada had literally done nothing in NJPW before his push. He was a Young Lion and had a bad excursion in TNA. He returned, won a lame match and then beat Tanahashi for the title. He's been Superman since. They key where I will forever point to why people can criticize the Roman push but be okay with Okada comes down to the fact that Okada's been popular enough to justify the booking. He's Superman, but as a top guy he has been the headliner for several years of big growth and big profit, with the broader fanbase at large behind him, and where they aren't behind him, it's in cases like with Naito where there is just a divide between the guys rather than a wholesale rejection of one of them. He continued the trend Tanahashi started and has been a worthy successor to him, where Roman has failed miserably in following after Cena and even their feud exposed Roman a whole lot, where Tanahashi and Okada has gone on to be a storied rivalry for the ages. A lot of people aren't happy about Okada's booking and I've read enough of your match reviews to know you're not rating the dude as the best in the game right now, which is totally fair. But his push has at least not miserably tanked. Which is I guess less of a counterpoint to you because you're not going there, and more to the broader idea of how and when Superman booking at least makes sense. Okada was much more of a Roman booking situation than White. People forget that Okada had literally done nothing in NJPW before his push. He was a Young Lion and had a bad excursion in TNA. He returned, won a lame match and then beat Tanahashi for the title. He's been Superman since. I think that's mainly due to a lot of fans getting into NJPW while Okada was already established. If you go back to his early stuff post-TNA, he looked weird, acts really awkward, and even his early Rainmaker was more like a neckbreaker thing than the lariat it became. He kind of more resembled Kona Reeves than what we know as Kazuchika Okada now. Then soon after NJPW patched in the necessary updates, got rid of the initial bugs, and he's never looked back. Jay White is 100 times the finished product Okada was when he first took the belt. To say this is some shark jumping moment in New Japan just shows a lack of historical knowledge of the company. Just from where the change took place so quickly, I can't help but feel like that was all very intentional. Him coming out at Wrestle Kingdom looking so weird, with his ill-fitting gear and his awkward mannerisms, worked to make him seem weird and undeserving. It surprised the crowd and served to surprise Tanahashi too. I can't buy a month of minimal experience was enough for him to completely turn himself around. He had a lot of room still to grow, but it was played up for the match, |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 20:20:58 GMT -5
Can't be compared to Roman either because Jay isn't being pushed against his reactions. He's a heel, he gets heel heat, none of his booking is really backfiring. I can see arguments for why he shouldn't be champ. I like him a lot but I don't think he is even close to his full potential yet. At the same time, I don't think they are booking him with the notion that he has arrived yet. NJPW booking has earned the benefit of the doubt with me at least. As a general rule I try to let things play out first either way, but WWE is easier to criticize because of their scatterbrained booking and their patterns that always play out the same. NJPW plays the long game so it's really hard to call something a bust until later on. It's an interesting move anyways.
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