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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 12:05:49 GMT -5
Why does WWE get such a raging hard-on with angles (real and not) that buck against fans? Because Vince hates people that love DIS BUSINESS or he thinks he knows better than us. But seriously,you constantly see WWE and its employees engage into behaviors against the fans. "people are jealous of ronda!" "you dont have the right to speka about Demott,you ar enot part of the business!" "Bizarro land!" Road Dogg being Road Dogg on twitter all the times Jericho said stupid shit.It is not just storylines, WWE legit says bad thing about their fans more than any other company.
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Post by Fade on Feb 12, 2019 12:08:54 GMT -5
Why does WWE get such a raging hard-on with angles (real and not) that buck against fans? Because Vince hates people that love DIS BUSINESS or he thinks he knows better than us. Dude couldn’t say “match” last night. FFS Vinnie, you’re 73 but come across in worse shape than my 77 year old Grandmother plagued with Dementia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:10:02 GMT -5
Regardless the money match was Becky vs Ronda.
Adding Charlotte as talented as she is takes away from it. Nah, I disagree with that.
The Becky/Ronda money match thing is just something I don't think has more positives than negatives compared to adding Charlotte to the mix and I've been in threads breaking that down piece by piece but I haven't seen anything from anyone that makes me think it does. I see people passionate about it because they like the story more and they love Becky but I'm not seeing anything that'll give a better match, a better future for the division, a better outcome for everyone else in the division while also being something that ties up the most storylines which from a writing standpoint opens up more possibilities. All I'm seeing is "well that's the story we like the most" but to me? It's bigger than which story people like the most. If people wanna look at that then they can look at that. Me though, nah. I don't look at things that way.
I think that's the biggest thing here which is pretty interesting. Most comments for the Becky/Ronda single's match are speaking on the present and the now while if you look at all the quotes as to why Charlotte's in the match it's all pointing towards the future and how they can get the most out of this compared to just one moment.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 12:11:17 GMT -5
As I said before and i'm going keep a full buck i'm not all that interested in Ronda/Becky without Charlotte Sure the crowd was hot for week 1 but imo this was a good add From the wrestling perspective Charlotte has beef with both Ronda and Becky and obviously Charlotte/Becky have a ton of chemistry. Charlotte is your insurance just in case shit goes left with Ronda in terms of her getting flustered at Mania As I said already if Becky don't win i'll chug a bottle of Henny as I don't see her losing and if she does y'all can bitch & moan as much as you want This whole thing's really helped me realize something...Becky's the new Strowman.
Strowman was OP and made everyone else look bad in favor of himself which was good for those who liked him but terrible for everyone else he went up again. Becky's been killing Ronda week in and week out to the point where it's one-sided, she makes everyone look bad on social media, she's just got this level invulnerability that anyone who goes against her gets damaged which is the same issue we had with Strowman but because people love her and all that they're not able to see how it's not helping anyone else. Ronda's been looking worse in this feud. Everyone has been except for one person: Charlotte. Charlotte's taken the bullets but she can go at people on social media, she can rip it in the ring, she can elevate herself so in this type of situation you've got Charlotte being able to go blow for blow and can actually give Becky some type of worry. Yeah, people don't wanna see it but it is what it is. Also like you said Charlotte's there incaseshit. In case shit happens, Charlotte's in the match. In case shit f***s up with the promos, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens with Becky looking too strong, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens and you need someone to help the division out besides Raw, Charlotte's there.
Yea, the one thing that has saved Becky is the fact she did just take a recent L to Asuka very clean which was obviously the right call because she was leaving SD
However, Becky has been getting the better of wrestling and legends since the summer. Charlotte has been her bitch for months. I brought this up before that it would not surprise me if fans turned against Becky if this continued 6 more months because she one ups every one on the mic, has the one clean L at the rumble over these few months and just in general just looks above the competition. Charlotte brings presence who despite being Becky's bitch for a few months still has people scared she can win the match.
This is the typical stacking the odds against the babyface (who was just the heel). Authority is after her, her rival is always down her neck, and she's got a tough test against the only woman who has been killing like her the last 6 months. Thankfully, they are doing more to humanize her than they did with Braun
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Post by DoubleDare on Feb 12, 2019 12:20:52 GMT -5
They weren't going to have Ronda keep in getting booed like she's been, so here comes Charlotte to get all the boos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:22:48 GMT -5
This whole thing's really helped me realize something...Becky's the new Strowman.
Strowman was OP and made everyone else look bad in favor of himself which was good for those who liked him but terrible for everyone else he went up again. Becky's been killing Ronda week in and week out to the point where it's one-sided, she makes everyone look bad on social media, she's just got this level invulnerability that anyone who goes against her gets damaged which is the same issue we had with Strowman but because people love her and all that they're not able to see how it's not helping anyone else. Ronda's been looking worse in this feud. Everyone has been except for one person: Charlotte. Charlotte's taken the bullets but she can go at people on social media, she can rip it in the ring, she can elevate herself so in this type of situation you've got Charlotte being able to go blow for blow and can actually give Becky some type of worry. Yeah, people don't wanna see it but it is what it is. Also like you said Charlotte's there incaseshit. In case shit happens, Charlotte's in the match. In case shit f***s up with the promos, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens with Becky looking too strong, Charlotte's there. In case shit happens and you need someone to help the division out besides Raw, Charlotte's there.
Yea, the one thing that has saved Becky is the fact she did just take a recent L to Asuka very clean which was obviously the right call because she was leaving SD However, Becky has been getting the better of wrestling and legends since the summer. Charlotte has been her bitch for months. I brought this up before that it would not surprise me if fans turned against Becky if this continued 6 more months because she one ups every one on the mic, has the one clean L at the rumble over these few months and just in general just looks above the competition. Charlotte brings presence who despite being Becky's bitch for a few months still has people scared she can win the match.
This is the typical stacking the odds against the babyface (who was just the heel). Authority is after her, her rival is always down her neck, and she's got a tough test against the only woman who has been killing like her the last 6 months. Thankfully, they are doing more to humanize her than they did with Braun
Becky's at a point to where the Asuka loss didn't even damage her one bit while Asuka's still in the same spot. Beating Becky didn't really help her out at all honestly but it'll come in handy post-WM where Charlotte can say "I main evented WM Asuka, I deserve to be champion" and Asuka said "I beat Becky and you didn't" which starts their feud. Charlotte and Becky are basically Rollins and Ambrose and by that they're always going to be at a certain level where the other can beat them and can't damage them too much which is good but if you're not them then whoever you're against you always have to be wary. Like you said, Charlotte has presence about her and without Charlotte there I think the end result would be so clear as day and that's just "Becky beating Ronda at WM which we knew would happen and which we also saw each week in and week out until the match." There's no drama there, there's no tension, there's just Becky steamrolling until the match.
The only thing I have a problem with are the Authority being thrown in but I'll see how it goes. Either way this is really giving Becky some much needed character development because if you could describe The Man it would be a female Austin mixed with Punk. This Becky though is showing more passion and heart about what she's doing and what she has to go through, she's shown more of that these past few weeks than they've done in their best characters. Same with Strowman. Braun's dope but he was just known for streamrolling.
Becky doesn't need to be known for steamrolling.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 12, 2019 12:23:48 GMT -5
The Queen gets such a ridiclous amount of accolades, lmao.
She was the first Raw Women's Champ after the new belt was introduced.
She's like an 8-time champion despite being on the main roster for less than four years.
She was the first one to beat Asuka and end her streak. Via tap out, of all things.
She won the first Women's Hell in a Cell.
She won the first Women's Iron-Man (Main roster-wise).
They give her EVERYTHING. They clearly see her as one of the centerpieces of this effort to elevate women's wrestling and give her every accolade she could ever want.
Of course she had to be in the first Women's Mania main event.
I'm not saying it's the greatest thing to do but I saw this coming as soon as they tossed the idea around. Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** with even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag.
Idk what point I'm making neither but Charlotte being in this was kinda a given based off WWE's track record.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:27:33 GMT -5
Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag. Legit screamed right now!!!
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Post by Shai on Feb 12, 2019 12:30:30 GMT -5
Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag. Legit screamed right now!!! I fell off the couch laughing goddamn
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 12, 2019 12:31:48 GMT -5
The Queen gets such a ridiclous amount of accolades, lmao. She was the first Raw Women's Champ after the new belt was introduced. She's like an 8-time champion despite being on the main roster for less than four years. She was the first one to beat Asuka and end her streak. Via tap out, of all things. She won the first Women's Hell in a Cell. She won the first Women's Iron-Man (Main roster-wise). They give her EVERYTHING. They clearly see her as one of the centerpieces of this effort to elevate women's wrestling and give her every accolade she could ever want. Of course she had to be in the first Women's Mania main event. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing to do but I saw this coming as soon as they tossed the idea around. Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** with even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag. Idk what point I'm making neither but Charlotte being in this was kinda a given based off WWE's track record. Ric Tanahashi sounds like the streets hottest rapper.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Feb 12, 2019 12:32:39 GMT -5
The Queen gets such a ridiclous amount of accolades, lmao. She was the first Raw Women's Champ after the new belt was introduced. She's like an 8-time champion despite being on the main roster for less than four years. She was the first one to beat Asuka and end her streak. Via tap out, of all things. She won the first Women's Hell in a Cell. She won the first Women's Iron-Man (Main roster-wise). They give her EVERYTHING. They clearly see her as one of the centerpieces of this effort to elevate women's wrestling and give her every accolade she could ever want. Of course she had to be in the first Women's Mania main event. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing to do but I saw this coming as soon as they tossed the idea around. Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** with even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag. Idk what point I'm making neither but Charlotte being in this was kinda a given based off WWE's track record. I may hate Okada but comparing him to Ronda is so wrong. People like Okada.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 12, 2019 12:42:38 GMT -5
Yea, the one thing that has saved Becky is the fact she did just take a recent L to Asuka very clean which was obviously the right call because she was leaving SD However, Becky has been getting the better of wrestling and legends since the summer. Charlotte has been her bitch for months. I brought this up before that it would not surprise me if fans turned against Becky if this continued 6 more months because she one ups every one on the mic, has the one clean L at the rumble over these few months and just in general just looks above the competition. Charlotte brings presence who despite being Becky's bitch for a few months still has people scared she can win the match.
This is the typical stacking the odds against the babyface (who was just the heel). Authority is after her, her rival is always down her neck, and she's got a tough test against the only woman who has been killing like her the last 6 months. Thankfully, they are doing more to humanize her than they did with Braun
Becky's at a point to where the Asuka loss didn't even damage her one bit while Asuka's still in the same spot. Beating Becky didn't really help her out at all honestly but it'll come in handy post-WM where Charlotte can say "I main evented WM Asuka, I deserve to be champion" and Asuka said "I beat Becky and you didn't" which starts their feud. Charlotte and Becky are basically Rollins and Ambrose and by that they're always going to be at a certain level where the other can beat them and can't damage them too much which is good but if you're not them then whoever you're against you always have to be wary. Like you said, Charlotte has presence about her and without Charlotte there I think the end result would be so clear as day and that's just "Becky beating Ronda at WM which we knew would happen and which we also saw each week in and week out until the match." There's no drama there, there's no tension, there's just Becky steamrolling until the match.
The only thing I have a problem with are the Authority being thrown in but I'll see how it goes. Either way this is really giving Becky some much needed character development because if you could describe The Man it would be a female Austin mixed with Punk. This Becky though is showing more passion and heart about what she's doing and what she has to go through, she's shown more of that these past few weeks than they've done in their best characters. Same with Strowman. Braun's dope but he was just known for streamrolling.
Becky doesn't need to be known for steamrolling.
Agreed. It was fun for a while for Becky to walk around with an edge and take no shit attitude but after that last win against Charlotte she stopped being an underdog and more someone who is now in the Charlotte spot. The apologizing bit helps her character because she still came across in a way if you f*** me over I will rain vengeance on you. No way around it, she was going to murder Ronda on the mic until Mania and then come away with a hard fought but predictable win. Her winning percentage with Charlotte is still a high 80% but for me their is intrigue now
The Man fan base now gets even stronger because people see she is being screwed. Her pop winning the title was going to big but now it can be even bigger. Honestly, her winning the title is more so just the cherry on top because I really don't find any matchups after she wins compelling and got her losing to a MITB winner (early prediction being Ruby Riott)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 12:57:32 GMT -5
Becky's at a point to where the Asuka loss didn't even damage her one bit while Asuka's still in the same spot. Beating Becky didn't really help her out at all honestly but it'll come in handy post-WM where Charlotte can say "I main evented WM Asuka, I deserve to be champion" and Asuka said "I beat Becky and you didn't" which starts their feud. Charlotte and Becky are basically Rollins and Ambrose and by that they're always going to be at a certain level where the other can beat them and can't damage them too much which is good but if you're not them then whoever you're against you always have to be wary. Like you said, Charlotte has presence about her and without Charlotte there I think the end result would be so clear as day and that's just "Becky beating Ronda at WM which we knew would happen and which we also saw each week in and week out until the match." There's no drama there, there's no tension, there's just Becky steamrolling until the match.
The only thing I have a problem with are the Authority being thrown in but I'll see how it goes. Either way this is really giving Becky some much needed character development because if you could describe The Man it would be a female Austin mixed with Punk. This Becky though is showing more passion and heart about what she's doing and what she has to go through, she's shown more of that these past few weeks than they've done in their best characters. Same with Strowman. Braun's dope but he was just known for streamrolling.
Becky doesn't need to be known for steamrolling.
Agreed. It was fun for a while for Becky to walk around with an edge and take no shit attitude but after that last win against Charlotte she stopped being an underdog and more someone who is now in the Charlotte spot. The apologizing bit helps her character because she still came across in a way if you f*** me over I will rain vengeance on you. No way around it, she was going to murder Ronda on the mic until Mania and then come away with a hard fought but predictable win. Her winning percentage with Charlotte is still a high 80% but for me their is intrigue now
The Man fan base now gets even stronger because people see she is being screwed. Her pop winning the title was going to big but now it can be even bigger. Honestly, her winning the title is more so just the cherry on top because I really don't find any matchups after she wins compelling and got her losing to a MITB winner (early prediction being Ruby Riott)
It just didn't make any sense anymore. There came a point to where we have to ask who, besides herself, is Becky helping out. Feuds are best when both guys are elevated and not just one. That's why that Becky, Charlotte and Asuka match and feud were dope because after that match they all came out looking dope. Becky in general these days, for as much as I think she's dope and as big of a fan of her as I am, she's just not been helping those she's against. Ronda as a character just can't take those promo battles week in and week out. It's like that Reigns/Cena thing. Cena was killing that man each week and yeah it was entertaining but didn't mean a thing in the end. Reigns, the guy losing the promo battles, even won but when we think about that we think about the promos. So you're telling me Becky's going to keep killing Ronda weekly and then she's going to beat Ronda in a match as well?
Yo, that's just messed up booking.
This Becky though is showing different sides to her character. She's got that fire like before she became The Man but she's also got what made her The Man. She's showing that she's forgiving but if you screw her over she'll turn her personality up. She's showing us that she's still not giving up.
At the end of the day guaranteed when it's announced that Becky's in the match for a triple threat the crowd will go insane and do a Yes Chant. It'll be dope and Becky's just going to keep climbing except in this case we'll at least make the other 2 keep climbing as well. They'll all benefit from this.
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Post by bog on Feb 12, 2019 13:10:11 GMT -5
This does make Charlotte a bigger heel, so it's nice I'm supposed to boo her...but now I have no interest in this whole story and it will make me watch less WWE programming. Dunno how many people that applies to, but if it is a lot, then it seems counter productive. I think the only thing I'm still into is Bryan's new character and the Ali push.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 13:15:00 GMT -5
This does make Charlotte a bigger heel, so it's nice I'm supposed to boo her...but now I have no interest in this whole story and it will make me watch less WWE programming. Dunno how many people that applies to, but if it is a lot, then it seems counter productive. I think the only thing I'm still into is Bryan's new character and the Ali push. And I dont want none of that "She is a heel,you are supposed to dislike it".There is difference between "Hurrh,that damn Charlotte!" and"Yeh,I will skip it"
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Post by Fade on Feb 12, 2019 13:35:16 GMT -5
This does make Charlotte a bigger heel, so it's nice I'm supposed to boo her...but now I have no interest in this whole story and it will make me watch less WWE programming. Dunno how many people that applies to, but if it is a lot, then it seems counter productive. I think the only thing I'm still into is Bryan's new character and the Ali push. I was really looking forward to a Becky/Ronda program. That one promo between the two had an electric crowd reaction. And I wanted it to play on the meta aspect of the rose coming off the proverbial bud on Ronda because Becky was this “Authentic Face” as opposed to her “Manufactured Face” which we’ve seen work like gabgbusters with Punk/Cena and others.. I was less excited, but still down, for Charlotte to be included as a continuation of all the shit the last few months. I thought they’d play Becky as injured, shoehorn Charlotte, show Becky make the triumphant return, and get us to the triple threat. But all this McMahon/Hunter/Steph Bullshit... Cmon. It’s so f***ing basic by now. The girls didn’t need this shit. They really didn’t. It’s still a while. The story could be good. But f***, leave it to Vince and Co to accidentally discover Gold and sprinkle shit all over it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:38:54 GMT -5
Seriously this is similar to how everyone was reacting 5 years ago, thinking Bryan wasnt going to win the title due to WWE refusing to listen to the fans, its....so similar. Becky is going to win at WM, the WWE is stubborn but not THAT stubborn. Like, it’s almost a miracle as it is that Lynch has made it to THIS point of the proceedings. They could have easily, EASILY, kept her as a full, fan-hating heel after SummerSlam like they’d planned at the very beginning. She could have lost way more in the initial Charlotte feud than she did, which amounted to one DQ loss in Australia and a double countout. Hell, one stray punch from Nia Jax doesn’t happen, and by this point, she’d have already had, and likely lost, a match with Rousey. Exactly why I’m not paranoid. They could’ve kept her as the #1 heel on SDL before feeding her to Asuka for the strap at Mania, but they didn’t. They could’ve had her insult the fans every single week, but they didn’t. Instead, they toned that down, and made Becky unstoppable through every step of that feud and made her into something that the fans gravitated towards even more. And with this whole suspension thing, it’ll only make so many people want to see Becky get revenge. Whether that’s at fast lane or wrestlemania. It’s so simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 13:58:24 GMT -5
Also, I find the triple threat to the better matchup because we’ve seen what both ladies can bring to the table when it comes to triple threats and we’ve seen what Ronda can do. This has all the makings of something that’ll be knocked out of the park. We’ll groan, but the crowd are for sure going to cheer the staredowns and for Becky throughout that whole match. And I cannot wait to see it.
If Charlotte really was “woman Reigns,” don’t y’all think she would’ve beaten Becky at Evolution? Don’t y’all think she would’ve been the 1 to survive for team SDL at SSeries? Don’t y’all think she would’ve won the rumble? Dont y’all think they wouldn’t have turned her heel? And don’t y’all think they would’ve had Charlotte thwart Becky at every turn like Roman did to everyone that wasn’t named Brock Lesnar?
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 12, 2019 14:11:02 GMT -5
This is straight out of WWF 1997.
Becky is Austin; A character originally intended to be a generic heel but whose no-nonsense attitude and fan-rejection of the concept turns her face. Every attempt at making her more heelish causing her to become more over.
Charlotte is Shawn: The golden child of the company constantly thrust to the main event. Despite attempts to turn her face, the fan awareness of her favouritism turns her into an entitled heel.
Ronda is Bret: Awkward on the mic, but a great in-ring performer whose character was about looking out for her friends and being a fighting champion, but her resentment towards the fans cheering the no-nonsense babyface over her turns her tweener.
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Post by anglarite on Feb 12, 2019 14:13:54 GMT -5
The Queen gets such a ridiclous amount of accolades, lmao. She was the first Raw Women's Champ after the new belt was introduced. She's like an 8-time champion despite being on the main roster for less than four years. She was the first one to beat Asuka and end her streak. Via tap out, of all things. She won the first Women's Hell in a Cell. She won the first Women's Iron-Man (Main roster-wise). They give her EVERYTHING. They clearly see her as one of the centerpieces of this effort to elevate women's wrestling and give her every accolade she could ever want. Of course she had to be in the first Women's Mania main event. I'm not saying it's the greatest thing to do but I saw this coming as soon as they tossed the idea around. Charlotte is their Ace. Ric Tanahashi, if you will. Becky is Naito, a person who fans clearly f*** with even without all the accolades. And Ronda is a broke ass Okada with no swag. Idk what point I'm making neither but Charlotte being in this was kinda a given based off WWE's track record. Speaking of, there are two accolades on the line I think: 1. Winning the first Women's Main Event at Wrestlemania 2. Dethroning and possibly "retiring" Rhonda. No way the daughter of Rik Flair are not going to bag those.
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