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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 12, 2019 19:09:36 GMT -5
Yeh,bad press is just THE BEST. Even trending its not the most viewed video of the show,that just shows how bad it is.It's got more engagement in it from actual viewers compared to the Becky/Ronda/Riott Squad video. Views are views but there's a reason why people say "like or dislike my video" in every video from a Youtuber. Those likes and dislikes are actually what provides engagement, video growth and in turn more people watching the video compared to views. It doesn't matter if people dislike it because it provides more engagement such as why it's trending. You're looking at the views but you're not looking at the actual engagement from the viewers. Basically, the Charlotte video is doing more for the WWE than than any other video on Raw due to engagement. That's absolutely not a thing that most YouTubers do. The common phrase is "like, comment, subscribe" because they don't want dislikes. It gives anyone about to watch an absolutely horrible first impression, which is awful for future engagement.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:10:49 GMT -5
It's got more engagement in it from actual viewers compared to the Becky/Ronda/Riott Squad video. Views are views but there's a reason why people say "like or dislike my video" in every video from a Youtuber. Those likes and dislikes are actually what provides engagement, video growth and in turn more people watching the video compared to views. It doesn't matter if people dislike it because it provides more engagement such as why it's trending. You're looking at the views but you're not looking at the actual engagement from the viewers. Basically, the Charlotte video is doing more for the WWE than than any other video on Raw due to engagement. That's absolutely not a thing that most YouTubers do. The common phrase is "like, comment, subscribe" because they don't want dislikes. It gives anyone about to watch an absolutely horrible first impression, which is awful for future engagement. To be fair there is some that say "dislike if you disagree, so we can improve ourselfs" but I think its more of a legit feedback thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:11:30 GMT -5
Alright, guess its good to showcase how much your fans hated your decision. Even if it has less views and positive feedback than the other video. Hey Ghostbusters 2016 was the most disliked trailer ever and look how well that turned out! A modest financial, critical, and commercial success?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:11:54 GMT -5
That's absolutely not a thing that most YouTubers do. The common phrase is "like, comment, subscribe" because they don't want dislikes. It gives anyone about to watch an absolutely horrible first impression, which is awful for future engagement. To be fair there is some that say "dislike if you disagree, so we can improve ourselfs" but I think its more of a legit feedback thing. Yes, a feedback they clearly want. This isn’t some Roman Reigns cuts a looney tunes promo on Seth Rollins level backlash where it wasn’t intentional, this was 100% what they were intending to happen.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 12, 2019 19:12:39 GMT -5
But they've already started Becky's story, and the final boss is Charlotte. It's the only thing that makes sense, both because of their specific history and because of what Becky's supposed to be struggling against. Lynch doesn't win by conquering the biggest bad-ass. She wins by upsetting the system. They couuuuuld tell that story with Rousey, but 1. it's a stretch, and 2. they definitely won't, because Rousey would have to be a heel who's privileged because of her UFC history and celebrity, and she probably has it in her contract she can't be portrayed that way. Rousey just doesn't represent Lynch's struggle the way Flair does, in terms of the storyline. Precisely BECAUSE Flair gets inserted into main events without deserving it. You dont beat the final boss 5 times in a row. She is the mid-boss. Ronda is the UFC girl that came into WWE a bad ass,she came and already took over the top. Lynch is the girl you watche dbecome a bad-ass through sheer will.You want to see her beat Ronda to be the best. Beating Charlotte wont prove that anymore,she was the STEP to that. Now with a triple threat...ok she won,so what? Its not a clean fight,she didnt prove she is better than Ronda,we KNOW she is better than Charlotte already You have to look at it differently; it's not that Charlotte in the ring is an insurmountable threat Becky can't conquer. It's that Charlotte stealing her thunder and getting crammed into every opportunity Becky has is the threat. All the usual talking points about how a triple threat can have you lose without being pinned mean so much more here than they have before, because it is that exact threat that had Charlotte steal the win from Becky at Summerslam and kick off this entire thing in the first place. It's bringing full circle the idea that Charlotte weasels her way into Becky's opportunities and takes them from her. She keeps putting Charlotte down and beating her, and the system keeps rewarding those losses by cramming her into another thing that should be about Becky because they don't want her there. Everything about this makes perfect narrative sense.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 12, 2019 19:12:57 GMT -5
That's absolutely not a thing that most YouTubers do. The common phrase is "like, comment, subscribe" because they don't want dislikes. It gives anyone about to watch an absolutely horrible first impression, which is awful for future engagement. To be fair there is some that say "dislike if you disagree, so we can improve ourselfs" but I think its more of a legit feedback thing. If someone says that on a video then they've probably lost their f***ing mind tbh
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:13:12 GMT -5
To be fair there is some that say "dislike if you disagree, so we can improve ourselfs" but I think its more of a legit feedback thing. Yes, a feedback they clearly want. This isn’t some Roman Reigns cuts a looney tunes promo on Seth Rollins level backlash where it wasn’t intentional, this was 100% what they were intending to happen. WWE asking for feedback how to book something. They barely listen to their own crowds. And Merch sales.If they listened to it, Charlotte wouldnt even be in this position
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 12, 2019 19:13:32 GMT -5
They have a shrinking audience of devoted WWE/wrestling fans. That’s pretty much it. If that were the case, Seth’s reactions would be teetering towards boos, Drew would be getting monster pops, and AEW chants would fill the arenas anytime they see Dean Ambrose. A causal audience is still very much there. But fans aren't a hivemind... just because someone isn't a casual doesn't mean that they're into AEW are a huge fan of Drew or hate Seth.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 12, 2019 19:14:16 GMT -5
I think the fact that casual arent able to not want heels is insulting A 80% DISLIKE RATE IS NOT STRICTLY INTERNET FANS, youtube is much more than just hardcore smarks. If that was the case every Roman video would be 80% downvotes.Even casuals hated Roman winning the Rumble. Casuals dont automatically hate and wanna see any heel that is not supposed to be there."She is a heel so it works" is such lazy explanation,its the same as "Roman gets a reaction,so its fine". especially cause the point of a heel is not just... "get booed" or "be hated by fans" But see this is the confusing part. People are treating this like they're being told that Charlotte is their favorite wrestler and is a winner, and will be pushed above Lynch, like they were told about Reigns. People are booing the booking for that reason: "We hate that you just assume we'll like Reigns/Cena/whoever and keep pushing them down our throats as our hero!" But like... that's very obviously not what's happening here. This is all about Lynch. That 'booking' is happening, but it's very clearly KAYFABED. Charlotte's gonna lose badly; in the meantime, she's going to act like queen of the world. It's so storyline-contained, I kinda don't see why people are getting all meta and worrying about the booking as if this hurts Lynch. It's like The Rock getting unfairly pushed to a title match because he's The Corporate Champ, but people are treating it like Rocky Miavia getting a huge push as a never-say-die babyface they don't think he deserves.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:14:41 GMT -5
You dont beat the final boss 5 times in a row. She is the mid-boss. Ronda is the UFC girl that came into WWE a bad ass,she came and already took over the top. Lynch is the girl you watche dbecome a bad-ass through sheer will.You want to see her beat Ronda to be the best. Beating Charlotte wont prove that anymore,she was the STEP to that. Now with a triple threat...ok she won,so what? Its not a clean fight,she didnt prove she is better than Ronda,we KNOW she is better than Charlotte already You have to look at it differently; it's not that Charlotte in the ring is an insurmountable threat Becky can't conquer. It's that Charlotte stealing her thunder and getting crammed into every opportunity Becky has is the threat. All the usual talking points about how a triple threat can have you lose without being pinned mean so much more here than they have before, because it is that exact threat that had Charlotte steal the win from Becky at Summerslam and kick off this entire thing in the first place. It's bringing full circle the idea that Charlotte weasels her way into Becky's opportunities and takes them from her. She keeps putting Charlotte down and beating her, and the system keeps rewarding those losses by cramming her into another thing that should be about Becky because they don't want her there. Everything about this makes perfect narrative sense. Its not full circle,its a step back,repetition,its different.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 12, 2019 19:15:37 GMT -5
Also man, people have gotta realize that Charlotte isn't being added to the Becky match. Becky got added to the Charlotte match. They changed their plans to make this the story of super badass Becky Lynch storming into a match they didn't have in mind for her and standing tall in the end. For once in a blue moon WWE is actually following the fans' backlash against something, adapting their plans, and changing things up to push someone as a star. Them preying on those expectations just to build up the match seems like a weird thing to get super angry about.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:16:00 GMT -5
especially cause the point of a heel is not just... "get booed" or "be hated by fans" But see this is the confusing part. People are treating this like they're being told that Charlotte is their favorite wrestler and is a winner, and will be pushed above Lynch, like they were told about Reigns. People are booing the booking for that reason: "We hate that you just assume we'll like Reigns/Cena/whoever and keep pushing them down our throats as our hero!" But like... that's very obviously not what's happening here. This is all about Lynch. That 'booking' is happening, but it's very clearly KAYFABED. Charlotte's gonna lose badly; in the meantime, she's going to act like queen of the world. It's so storyline-contained, I kinda don't see why people are getting all meta and worrying about the booking as if this hurts Lynch. It's like The Rock getting unfairly pushed to a title match because he's The Corporate Champ, but people are treating it like Rocky Miavia getting a huge push as a never-say-die babyface they don't think he deserves. The thing is we dont want to see Charlotte lose.-WE DONT WANT HER INVOLVED-. It sucks a lot of the story and engagement for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 19:16:11 GMT -5
Yes, a feedback they clearly want. This isn’t some Roman Reigns cuts a looney tunes promo on Seth Rollins level backlash where it wasn’t intentional, this was 100% what they were intending to happen. WWE asking for feedback how to book something. They barely listen to their own crowds. And Merch sales.If they listened to it, Charlotte wouldnt even be in this position Is that why Becky won at Evolution? Is that why they turned her face? Is that why they turned Charlotte heel? Is that why they made Seth win the Rumble? Hell, is that why they made Becky win the rumble? Because they supposedly don’t listen to their fans?
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:17:58 GMT -5
WWE asking for feedback how to book something. They barely listen to their own crowds. And Merch sales.If they listened to it, Charlotte wouldnt even be in this position Is that why Becky won at Evolution? Is that why they turned her face? Is that why they turned Charlotte heel? Is that why they made Seth win the Rumble? Hell, is that why they made Becky win the rumble? Because they supposedly don’t listen to their fans? Barely I said,I already gave then credits for the Becky push. Seth is equal over to other people, I dont watch enough of it to judge that,so I wont comment much. But I will also call out when they do wrong thing. I gave props for the heel turn ,for Charlotte character work in the rumble,it was incredible. But if this is a case of "FINE,HAVE WHAT YOU LIKE,BUT WE ALSO WANT THE GIRL WE WANTED BEFORE IN THERE",its not listening. Why they killed Rusev Day for example? They didnt listen to the crowd.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 12, 2019 19:18:14 GMT -5
You have to look at it differently; it's not that Charlotte in the ring is an insurmountable threat Becky can't conquer. It's that Charlotte stealing her thunder and getting crammed into every opportunity Becky has is the threat. All the usual talking points about how a triple threat can have you lose without being pinned mean so much more here than they have before, because it is that exact threat that had Charlotte steal the win from Becky at Summerslam and kick off this entire thing in the first place. It's bringing full circle the idea that Charlotte weasels her way into Becky's opportunities and takes them from her. She keeps putting Charlotte down and beating her, and the system keeps rewarding those losses by cramming her into another thing that should be about Becky because they don't want her there. Everything about this makes perfect narrative sense. Its not full circle,its a step back,repetition,its different. My dude, the idea of Becky losing a title match that Charlotte crammed herself into to make a triple threat in the first leg of the story, undergoing change and transformation and struggles throughout, and then winning a title match Charlotte crammed herself into in the climax of the story is such basic, fundamental storytelling that if you can't even recognize that regardless of if you like it or not, I just can't help you here.
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Post by Doctor No on Feb 12, 2019 19:19:26 GMT -5
WWE asking for feedback how to book something. They barely listen to their own crowds. And Merch sales.If they listened to it, Charlotte wouldnt even be in this position Is that why Becky won at Evolution? Is that why they turned her face? Is that why they turned Charlotte heel? Is that why they made Seth win the Rumble? Hell, is that why they made Becky win the rumble? Because they supposedly don’t listen to their fans? They weren’t when they ran off/lost huge chunks of their audience.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:19:34 GMT -5
Its not full circle,its a step back,repetition,its different. My dude, the idea of Becky losing a title match that Charlotte crammed herself into to make a triple threat in the first leg of the story, undergoing change and transformation and struggles throughout, and then winning a title match Charlotte crammed herself into in the climax of the story is such basic, fundamental storytelling that if you can't even recognize that regardless of if you like it or not, I just can't help you here. I mean,if you can't see Becky already proved her more than enough against Charlotte and has nothing to prove about her anymore,I just can't help you there. I get the book ending concept, but It is not a concept that applies everywhere. if this wasnt a once-in a life time chance ,and a bragging right between a match that people wanted to see since Survivor Series,something teased for MONTHS,it would be good.There is so much more going on than just a book ending.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 12, 2019 19:21:10 GMT -5
My dude, the idea of Becky losing a title match that Charlotte crammed herself into to make a triple threat in the first leg of the story, undergoing change and transformation and struggles throughout, and then winning a title match Charlotte crammed herself into in the climax of the story is such basic, fundamental storytelling that if you can't even recognize that regardless of if you like it or not, I just can't help you here. I mean,if you can't see Becky already proved her more than enough against Charlotte and has nothing to prove about her anymore,I just can't help you there. I get the book ending concept, but It is not a concept that applies everywhere But it's not about proving herself against Charlotte in a fight. That was my whole point. Charlotte is an obstacle to overcome in beating Ronda. She's a danger to the goal of beating Ronda, by doing the same shit she did at the top, so that this time when Becky overcomes that hurdle and wins, it's a big deal. Narrative devices do not stop being narrative devices just because you don't like them.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 12, 2019 19:21:16 GMT -5
But see this is the confusing part. People are treating this like they're being told that Charlotte is their favorite wrestler and is a winner, and will be pushed above Lynch, like they were told about Reigns. People are booing the booking for that reason: "We hate that you just assume we'll like Reigns/Cena/whoever and keep pushing them down our throats as our hero!" But like... that's very obviously not what's happening here. This is all about Lynch. That 'booking' is happening, but it's very clearly KAYFABED. Charlotte's gonna lose badly; in the meantime, she's going to act like queen of the world. It's so storyline-contained, I kinda don't see why people are getting all meta and worrying about the booking as if this hurts Lynch. It's like The Rock getting unfairly pushed to a title match because he's The Corporate Champ, but people are treating it like Rocky Miavia getting a huge push as a never-say-die babyface they don't think he deserves. The thing is we dont want to see Charlotte lose.-WE DONT WANT HER INVOLVED-. It sucks a lot of the story and engagement for us. But why, if you're not mad about her being booked like Reigns? That's a complaint I've seen in this thread, which I think makes no sense because she's a heel. If you don't dislike Flair's inclusion because of that, why do you dislike it? How does Lynch beating Rousey pay off the story of Lynch's grit getting her to the top despite all the unfair advantages given to others? Rousey would lose and shake Lynch's hand as a measure of respect, because she's def not going to be booked as a bad guy. How is that narratively satisfying? It has nothing to do with everything Becky's put up with so far.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 12, 2019 19:22:17 GMT -5
I mean,if you can't see Becky already proved her more than enough against Charlotte and has nothing to prove about her anymore,I just can't help you there. I get the book ending concept, but It is not a concept that applies everywhere But it's not about proving herself against Charlotte in a fight. That was my whole point. Charlotte is an obstacle to overcome in beating Ronda. She's a danger to the goal of beating Ronda, by doing the same shit she did at the top, so that this time when Becky overcomes that hurdle and wins, it's a big deal. Narrative devices do not stop being narrative devices just because you don't like them. SHE ALREADY WAS THE OBSTACLE. Now she is just robbing away from the climax of the story,BECAUSE it goes beyond Charlotte. Staining it.You cant cram every concept into one match.
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