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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 3:08:26 GMT -5
It's not a real fight. It's theatrics mixed with sports. No different than a guy and a girl doing figure skating together or playing each other in one on one basketball.
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Post by edtheripper on Feb 15, 2019 21:48:59 GMT -5
For me, to this day, this Kimber Lee vs Drew Gulak match from Beyond Wrestling is one of the best examples of a great intergender match.
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Post by edtheripper on Feb 15, 2019 21:53:14 GMT -5
Another from Beyond Wrestling....this one was Kimber Lee vs AR Fox. This was the first intergender match I remember seeing in person.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 16, 2019 5:58:38 GMT -5
Depends on how it’s presented. Which really has nothing to do with gender actually.
I hate Big Show bumping for guys literally half his size too. So don’t expect me to buy such a disparity.
Things have to be somewhat equal, no matter what you’re presenting.
Or as Doug Stanhope once said “Chuck Liddell is one of the baddest motherf***ers on the planet. You put him in the cage with Hannah Montana and a 12 gauge, Vegas odds are dropping drastically”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 10:01:57 GMT -5
I think they're fun every once in a while but it isn't something I need to be a regular feature. I think it limits the stories you can tell. I prefer to keep the genders mostly separate because you have better size Dynamics and it's a lot easier to tell different stories. In mixed wrestling, the woman is always gonna come across as the underdog whether she's the heel or the face since they're pretty much always gonna be undersized.
Like Candice LeRae in PWG was perfectly fine because that was her role and they didn't really have any other women for her to work with. You insert five more Candice LeRaes in there and you can't really even tell them apart, and I think wide open divisions just come off really disorganized.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 17, 2019 13:08:05 GMT -5
I'm not a fan, for two reasons -
1. I don't think men beating up women (or vice versa) should be treated casually, even in the world of professional wrestling. Most of the Attitude Era style 'that bitch needs to get smacked!' violence was terrible. It makes wrestling a really easy target for criticism, and the wrestling crowd already has a bad enough reputation without giving the impression that they love seeing women get beaten up by men.
2. The believability factor of it is just too much of a stretch, most of the time. Unless the woman is built like Chyna, or as accomplished a fighter as Ronda, then it's really hard to buy that she can kick the ass of a supposedly tough male wrestler.
Having said that, is the believability really any worse than seeing Rey Mysterio wrestle Kane or Big Show? But I never liked those matches either.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 17, 2019 14:15:55 GMT -5
Ah, true, makes sense. Thought this was in reference to some of his more questionable finishers, like that crummy splash he'd do that looked like it hit with the force of a cereal box falling off of the shelf. To be honest that's still applicable, too. Can people seriously say that some sloppy brain chop by Khali looks like it hurts more than a Nikki Bella forearm? Wait, what!? Of course it does. He's literally twice her size. Anyway, I would say I'm not a fan because I couldn't imagine a way it could be done without being hokey, but the match posted at the top of this thread actually looked awesome. I think that's the exception rather than the rule though.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 17, 2019 15:01:51 GMT -5
Yay: Athletic wrestling contest. Guys and women arm dragging each other, slamming, etc, is fine. Nia at the Rumble did not in any way offend me. Nay: Guys choking the women and pulling their hair and just getting uncomfortably fetishy. It's gross and it often seems designed to get off creeps. Ah yes the amazon wishlist folks. Jordynne Grace sometimes posts their “beautiful” messages and requests. A scary idea.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 17, 2019 15:56:04 GMT -5
Depends on how it’s presented. Which really has nothing to do with gender actually. I hate Big Show bumping for guys literally half his size too. So don’t expect me to buy such a disparity. Big Show is big. That doesn't mean he can take a punch. Wrestling in general needs to do a way better job of presenting "the ability to withstand damage" as something that varies from person to person, just like strength or leverage or agility. It way widens the ways you can mix and match all the people on your roster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -5
I like it on the indies where wrestling is more "fun".
But I don't like it in major promotions that I expect to be a little more serious.
As for Nia in the Rumble, it pissed me off. They wouldn't have had a man in the Women's Rumble eliminating a bunch of people. I'm all for equality, but I want it to be real equality.
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