Intergender matches.

[agent817]

What is your standing on this? I watched a Wrestling With Wregret episode on this and in WWE, women's wrestling is taken a lot more seriously than ever before. Also, if you watched any, what did you think of them? I remember watching some from Japan and I thought that they were good, especially this hardcore match between a man and a woman (Though I forgot who the participants were, and the channel has been deactivated).

Please, let's not get political here. I am wondering where you stand on these types of matches and if you have seen some, I want to know your thoughts on them.

[AwamoriRock]

No real problem at all with them. There are a lot of good ones in Japan, DDT in particular. Sendai Girls vs. All Out would rank there on my MOTY list from last year.

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Personally hate them and won't watch them. Even Nia in the Rumble gave me pause, I nearly switched off the show.

Not a judgement on anyone else watching it, just personally it makes me deeply uncomfortable. I won't watch or support any promotion that books them on the regular.

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I love it IMO a great intergender match is the ultimate showcase of talent on a truly equal ground and also the showcase of a companies ability to showcase talents and their creativity.



IMO this is the best televised intergender match of all time and is the perfect blend of continuity , character work , and brutality wrapped in an amazing wrestling match.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

I hate them for the most part, the only exceptions are when the woman is bigger than the guy, like I had no problem watching Awesome Kong or Chyna throw around guys because they looked believable and were larger than the male opponents.

[Mozenrath]

Yay: Athletic wrestling contest. Guys and women arm dragging each other, slamming, etc, is fine. Nia at the Rumble did not in any way offend me.

Nay: Guys choking the women and pulling their hair and just getting uncomfortably fetishy. It's gross and it often seems designed to get off creeps.

[chazraps]

When there's not a weird non-consensual sexual undertone to it, I'm for it. Kayfabe-wise, it's like any other athletic contest between a man and a woman who are abiding by the same rules and have to solely rely on ability and cunning.

I remember in 2015 when, within a short time of each other, we had both the great Candice LeRae - Cedric Alexander match and the controversial Chris Dickinson - Kimber Lee match. The former was praised as a well done - albeit brutal at times - wrestling match with wrestling moves. The latter struck a nerve online, for just how sleazy of a beatdown it seemed. Granted, Dickinson's character at the time was the "dirty daddy," but the overt undercurrent of the match made it uncomfortably feel like his character was just getting off on hitting a woman with weapons and forcing him touching her, concluding with a very sexual pin.

Lee has said in the aftermath that she's fine with it, and I respect her opinion and her personal choice to participate.

Personally speaking as a viewer, however, that presentation of that particular type of motivation is where I draw the line.

[Woo]

Love them. A man wrestling a woman is not violence. It's been done so well so many times.

I'm also not against any man on women violence however. Wouldn't like to see it every day but moments like Jake slapping Elizabeth, Jericho punching HBK's wife, Mascarita Sagrada slapping Kobra Moon and Bubba Ray powerbombing Mae Young are all some of my favourite moments in wrestling.


As long as it is but treated in a disturbing sexual way I'm perfectly fine with it.

[BrodietheSlayer]

If done well, I have no problem with them. There have been some pretty great intergender matches/moments. I personally thought LU did it right, as they, more often than not, presented the women as being on pretty equal footing with the male wrestlers.

[Error]

I've become a fan. I was use to seeing badly booked ones and hated it but after going to done indie shows and seeing matches where gender wasn't even brought up as an issue I've changed my mind. Hell, one of my favorite matches in recent memory was Brian Cage vs. Tessa Blanchard at WrestleCircus. The story the crafted was just awesome.

[Feargus McReddit]

My school is a promotion that gave their top title to a woman who is going to defend it in a 3 way this Friday against two of the best the country has to offer.

So that’s where I stand on the issue.

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Cheerleader Melissa had some good matches with the guys in APW back in the day

[auph10imitated]

Feb 13, 2019 1:02:44 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I love it IMO a great intergender match is the ultimate showcase of talent on a truly equal ground and also the showcase of a companies ability to showcase talents and their creativity.



IMO this is the best televised intergender match of all time and is the perfect blend of continuity , character work , and brutality wrapped in an amazing wrestling match.

Is that Kairi Sane?

[Error]

Feb 13, 2019 9:14:48 GMT -5 auph10imitated said:

Feb 13, 2019 1:02:44 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

I love it IMO a great intergender match is the ultimate showcase of talent on a truly equal ground and also the showcase of a companies ability to showcase talents and their creativity.



IMO this is the best televised intergender match of all time and is the perfect blend of continuity , character work , and brutality wrapped in an amazing wrestling match.

Is that Kairi Sane?

Yes, both her and Io Shirai are in the match.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

In a combat sports/competitive context and any sort of fetishized aspects removed, I’m generally cool with it.

IMO, the best way to book intergender wrestling is to keep it simple and treat it as if it’s no big deal. The more you point out the abnormality of it, the more you reinforce the abnormality.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Feb 13, 2019 2:00:40 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Yay: Athletic wrestling contest. Guys and women arm dragging each other, slamming, etc, is fine. Nia at the Rumble did not in any way offend me.

Nay: Guys choking the women and pulling their hair and just getting uncomfortably fetishy. It's gross and it often seems designed to get off creeps.

Ah yes the amazon wishlist folks. Jordynne Grace sometimes posts their “beautiful” messages and requests.

[salz4life]

Feb 13, 2019 4:14:46 GMT -5 Error said:

I've become a fan. I was use to seeing badly booked ones and hated it but after going to done indie shows and seeing matches where gender wasn't even brought up as an issue I've changed my mind. Hell, one of my favorite matches in recent memory was Brian Cage vs. Tessa Blanchard at WrestleCircus. The story the crafted was just awesome.

That's the match that brought me around on them. I'm not a fan of a woman getting "beaten up" by a man, but if the story is good enough, I can get engrossed in it.

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Feb 13, 2019 1:21:03 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I hate them for the most part, the only exceptions are when the woman is bigger than the guy, like I had no problem watching Awesome Kong or Chyna throw around guys because they looked believable and were larger than the male opponents.

100% agree with this. 


I know it's wrestling and anything can happen and that this shit is all fake (and that people like my boy lil Finn Balor would get his ass handed to him IRL by peeps like Braun, Drew, and especially Lashley and Brock) but it's really weird seeing a 5'2'' girl like Candice Larae go against men (even if they are indy-sized guys).    

[salz4life]

Feb 13, 2019 10:14:43 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Feb 13, 2019 2:00:40 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Yay: Athletic wrestling contest. Guys and women arm dragging each other, slamming, etc, is fine. Nia at the Rumble did not in any way offend me.

Nay: Guys choking the women and pulling their hair and just getting uncomfortably fetishy. It's gross and it often seems designed to get off creeps.

Ah yes the amazon wishlist folks. Jordynne Grace sometimes posts their “beautiful” messages and requests.

I've seen several of them. Good Lord.... they are creepy but at the same time sadly funny.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Feb 13, 2019 11:14:15 GMT -5 @drntropy said:

Feb 13, 2019 1:21:03 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

I hate them for the most part, the only exceptions are when the woman is bigger than the guy, like I had no problem watching Awesome Kong or Chyna throw around guys because they looked believable and were larger than the male opponents.

100% agree with this. 


I know it's wrestling and anything can happen and that this shit is all fake (and that people like my boy lil Finn Balor would get his ass handed to him IRL by peeps like Braun, Drew, and especially Lashley and Brock) but it's really weird seeing a 5'2'' girl like Candice Larae go against men (even if they are indy-sized guys).    

Yes this shit’s fake and it’s been public knowledge since the forties but still there’s gotta be suspension of disbelief. A tiny person can’t suplex someone that’s got more than a hundred pounds on them.

I believe that Babydoll can beat the f*** out of Jim Cornette because everybody and their mother could beat up Jim Cornette, that was his role and Doll was bigger than him. But I’ll never buy Candice beating up Brian f***ing Cage.

If Candice was taller and bigger then I could believe it.