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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 2:21:49 GMT -5
How many multiman matches would that be between Braun and Lesnar. Braun is damaged goods at this moment. He’s been protected but has been Lesnars bitch for the past two years. Oh I agree. I'm not saying it's a good thing necessarily. I just wouldn't be surprised if that was what they were doing. People were worried Ronda couldn't hold up her end of her feud but Brock is non-existent in his. Asuka hasn't even been on tv since she won the title (or did she make a cameo. I don't think she did). Hell the women's tag titles have had more of a build and they were just awarded last night. Asuka's only "appearance" beyond one week getting a hype video is in the Charlotte / Becky house show video and even then they've been going out of their way to avoid making reference to Asuka being there in talking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 3:25:48 GMT -5
Rollins is so absurdly flaccid as a character rn that I can't even say I want him to beat Lesnar. Like, I want Lesnar gone as much as anyone, but at the hands of this dork? f*** that Honestly I have absolutely no clue why in-story we're supposed to see Seth as a threat. Like, the only actual reasons are, "Triple H likes him, Roman's not available, and we need to get the belt off Brock already." Every bit of momentum he has is coming from real-life factors that aren't a thing onscreen and yet we're supposed to just accept it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 19, 2019 3:30:54 GMT -5
Rollins is so absurdly flaccid as a character rn that I can't even say I want him to beat Lesnar. Like, I want Lesnar gone as much as anyone, but at the hands of this dork? f*** that Honestly I have absolutely no clue why in-story we're supposed to see Seth as a threat. Like, the only actual reasons are, "Triple H likes him, Roman's not available, and we need to get the belt off Brock already." Every bit of momentum he has is coming from real-life factors that aren't a thing onscreen and yet we're supposed to just accept it. The only two things in his favor much are that he almost beat him in that triple threat he had with Brock and Cena, and the cash in when he won the WWE title, he technically beat both Roman and Brock, since it became a Triple Threat, but yeah, neither of these had Brock as the party in peril, plus these were both years ago.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 19, 2019 3:38:17 GMT -5
Rollins is so absurdly flaccid as a character rn that I can't even say I want him to beat Lesnar. Like, I want Lesnar gone as much as anyone, but at the hands of this dork? f*** that Honestly I have absolutely no clue why in-story we're supposed to see Seth as a threat. Like, the only actual reasons are, "Triple H likes him, Roman's not available, and we need to get the belt off Brock already." Every bit of momentum he has is coming from real-life factors that aren't a thing onscreen and yet we're supposed to just accept it. But then the problem is, who CAN he beat to get on-screen momentum that he hasn’t beaten already? The highest level heels on the roster are arguably Corbin, McIntyre and Lashley and it won’t matter if he does beat them because nobody cares about them. Strowman maybe, but he’s taken one too many blows himself recently to really be able to afford to do the honours. And even then, is he even going to wrestle a match before WrestleMania if they’re benching him to rest his back? So he can’t do the one thing that he’s really good at right now to win people over (and even if he could, he’s already the best guy they’ve got available so there’s nobody he can beat to get to the higher level), which means he’s either stuck doing promos, arguably his weak point, or going off of TV and doing a whole bunch of pre-records (which are STILL promos, just with editing) using a stock-standard babyface character that most have trouble buying into on promos alone, on a guy who likely won’t actually show up to respond until the go-home show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 3:43:48 GMT -5
Honestly I have absolutely no clue why in-story we're supposed to see Seth as a threat. Like, the only actual reasons are, "Triple H likes him, Roman's not available, and we need to get the belt off Brock already." Every bit of momentum he has is coming from real-life factors that aren't a thing onscreen and yet we're supposed to just accept it. But then the problem is, who CAN he beat to get on-screen momentum that he hasn’t beaten already? The highest level heels on the roster are arguably Corbin, McIntyre and Lashley and it won’t matter if he does beat them because nobody cares about them. Strowman maybe, but he’s taken one too many blows himself recently to really be able to afford to do the honours. And even then, is he even going to wrestle a match before WrestleMania if they’re benching him to rest his back? So he can’t do the one thing that he’s really good at right now to win people over (and even if he could, he’s already the best guy they’ve got available so there’s nobody he can beat to get to the higher level), which means he’s either stuck doing promos, arguably his weak point, or going off of TV and doing a whole bunch of pre-records (which are STILL promos, just with editing) using a stock-standard babyface character that most have trouble buying into on promos alone, on a guy who likely won’t actually show up to respond until the go-home show. I think a major mistake was having Lesnar immediately crush him after the Rumble. Had Brock swung first and then Seth managed to stagger Brock through some quick moves and wear him down it'd look like maybe he has a real chance. Instead Seth swung first and was promptly beaten within an inch of his life like it was nothing.
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Post by schma on Feb 19, 2019 3:48:36 GMT -5
But then the problem is, who CAN he beat to get on-screen momentum that he hasn’t beaten already? The highest level heels on the roster are arguably Corbin, McIntyre and Lashley and it won’t matter if he does beat them because nobody cares about them. Strowman maybe, but he’s taken one too many blows himself recently to really be able to afford to do the honours. And even then, is he even going to wrestle a match before WrestleMania if they’re benching him to rest his back? So he can’t do the one thing that he’s really good at right now to win people over (and even if he could, he’s already the best guy they’ve got available so there’s nobody he can beat to get to the higher level), which means he’s either stuck doing promos, arguably his weak point, or going off of TV and doing a whole bunch of pre-records (which are STILL promos, just with editing) using a stock-standard babyface character that most have trouble buying into on promos alone, on a guy who likely won’t actually show up to respond until the go-home show. I think a major mistake was having Lesnar immediately crush him after the Rumble. Had Brock swung first and then Seth managed to stagger Brock through some quick moves and wear him down it'd look like maybe he has a real chance. Instead Seth swung first and was promptly beaten within an inch of his life like it was nothing. Yeah, I think they thought that would build up Seth's badassness with him being all 'that all you got'? But he was owned and everyone knew it. Smack talking after that beating didn't help.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 19, 2019 4:47:07 GMT -5
You'd think they would at least play up that Rollins was the one who ended Lesnar's title reign, and that he might be able to outsmart Lesnar again. But that would make Seth look competent in this feud, so that's out the window. Yeah. My memory’s hazy, but wasn’t there a strange dude where Seth was the heel and and they had some pretty good matches and Brock never got a definitive win over him?
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Post by TGM on Feb 19, 2019 5:03:07 GMT -5
No doubt the match will deliver though.
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Post by MAGGLE on Feb 19, 2019 5:10:41 GMT -5
Why would anyone want Lesnar to lose? He is not even there and still 4x better at everything than Rollins.
None of the people on the entire roster are properly booked to beat him. No one, to even make it credible would take like 2 years.
Either Vince wants this Lesnar thing over with or he retains again lol. Either way no one cares about that Red Title.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 5:13:40 GMT -5
Didn't they do a thing last year where Baron Corbin took Braun's MitB and kept it for safe keeping after he had to relinquish it? Baron Corbin is going to recreate the heist of the century come Wrestlemania! Under rated post and point. Hell. Have lashley and drew bash **** out of seth after and then bam! Corbin comes out sauntering with a smile and braun's battered case. Plus it'd show he learned from his own failed cash in.
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Post by schma on Feb 19, 2019 5:13:43 GMT -5
No doubt the match will deliver though. Lesnar's had more misses than hits. I honestly doubt it. If he decides to put some effort in then it might be decent. If it's your typical suplex city crap then I hope they get it out of the way early.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 5:17:18 GMT -5
No doubt the match will deliver though. Honestly I'm not convinced Seth has it in him. A major part of pretty much any Brock match is the selling and Seth is... pretty much absolutely godawful at that. And I have a very hard time seeing Brock take stuff like the buckle bomb or the Falcon Arrow so his offense will probably be severely limited.
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Post by TGM on Feb 19, 2019 5:19:53 GMT -5
No doubt the match will deliver though. Lesnar's had more misses than hits. I honestly doubt it. If he decides to put some effort in then it might be decent. If it's your typical suplex city crap then I hope they get it out of the way early. Nah I have enjoyed most of Brock's matches since his return. The ones with Braun / Roman / Undertaker have been misses but everything else has been great.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 19, 2019 5:20:54 GMT -5
Why would anyone want Lesnar to lose? He is not even there and still 4x better at everything than Rollins. None of the people on the entire roster are properly booked to beat him. No one, to even make it credible would take like 2 years. Either Vince wants this Lesnar thing over with or he retains again lol. Either way no one cares about that Red Title. There's a lot of people who would rather have a cardboard standee of Scottie Pippen as universal champion than Brock.
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Post by schma on Feb 19, 2019 5:46:16 GMT -5
Lesnar's had more misses than hits. I honestly doubt it. If he decides to put some effort in then it might be decent. If it's your typical suplex city crap then I hope they get it out of the way early. Nah I have enjoyed most of Brock's matches since his return. The ones with Braun / Roman / Undertaker have been misses but everything else has been great. I'll agree to disagree then.
I've found most of his one on one matches to be bad and the multiman matches were generally good in spite of him not because of him since he spends 95% of the multiman matches sleeping. His Finn match was good, missed his Daniel Bryan match. His original Roman match was decent (though that was the birth of suplex city). His AJ match started as same old shit, then AJ eventually got to do something but even then, I don't think it was as great as everyone says. But then, I'm firmly in the camp that would love to never see him again and I think he's dragging down the product.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 19, 2019 5:59:40 GMT -5
"You are gonna be beaten"
"No U."
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Post by chronocross on Feb 19, 2019 6:36:02 GMT -5
I know what will work, have Seth and Brock do a tug of war with the title like they did with Roman a few years ago.
Seriously that title match is something I’m not looking forward to, I still wish Finn would challenge for it.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Feb 19, 2019 7:00:35 GMT -5
I don't even watch Heyman promos. I'm sick of his schtick and never liked him anyway. I'd rather have some pre taped Brock with some bleeped out swearing. I don't care about the build up I just wanna see the match and hopefully move on from Brock being champ.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Feb 19, 2019 7:02:56 GMT -5
I really want to care about this.
But I just don't.
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Post by Moppy on Feb 19, 2019 7:05:09 GMT -5
Obvious point, but it would be helped 1000% if they got Brock to turn up more often between now and then.
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