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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 23:02:20 GMT -5
I don't know if I've ever known a wrestler that's so intermittently hot and cold as Seth is.
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Post by No One on Feb 20, 2019 0:42:59 GMT -5
It should be Demon Balor vs Lesnar at WM. They’ve missed a trick there. How about the Kiss Demon vs Lesnar?
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 20, 2019 0:47:15 GMT -5
I think that's the whole reason Ambrose is coming into play here. Last week Ambrose said Rollins needs to slay the beast. This week McIntyre tries to get at Rollins and Ambrose steps up to him. Ambrose then asks where Rollins was. It all sounds like a setup to have Lesnar take Ambrose out to give this Rollins/Lesnar feud an extra umph that it doesn't have right now. That's an excellent point, and not one that I had considered. Using Ambrose as a sacrificial lamb as he's on his way out may be the best angle to take with this rather than them having Ambrose putting over someone like Nia. Of course, I don't trust them to stick the landing with this, or even do it at all, but I think you're right, it'd be the perfect thing to take it up a level. It should be noted that Nia and Ambrose haven’t interacted at all since that house show ad promoting a match between them was shared, and said match ended up getting canned.
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Post by RI Richmark on Feb 20, 2019 8:19:30 GMT -5
The fact Seth can’t wrestle right now hurts him because he really should be having a mini feud in between Mania Him and Lesnar isn’t that hot, that they can talk for 2 months and the crowd will be on fire. They should have worked the injury into the build. "How can Seth possibly beat Brock if he's not 100%?"
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Post by Fauxnaki on Feb 20, 2019 9:00:43 GMT -5
Rollins is so damn boring and helping in the tanking ratings
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Post by Tenshigure on Feb 20, 2019 9:23:53 GMT -5
The fact Seth can’t wrestle right now hurts him because he really should be having a mini feud in between Mania Him and Lesnar isn’t that hot, that they can talk for 2 months and the crowd will be on fire. They should have worked the injury into the build. "How can Seth possibly beat Brock if he's not 100%?" Because that's literally the ONLY STORY THEY EVER TELL WITH ROLLINS AT THIS POINT. Seriously, name one "big card" match of Rollins' as a face that didn't either include a betrayal from someone else or his freaking knee being made out of paper mache? Seriously, sometimes I wonder what is keeping these guys around aside from the money if they have to work for a Groundhog Day company that can't even remember their own long-term booking...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 9:26:22 GMT -5
This match was DOA as far as I'm concerned. If they couldn't come up with a really interesting feud, they should have taken this as an opportunity to have a dark horse win the Rumble and then spend three months giving him a Rocky-esque buildup only to have Lesnar beat him at Mania.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2019 11:47:48 GMT -5
They should have worked the injury into the build. "How can Seth possibly beat Brock if he's not 100%?" Because that's literally the ONLY STORY THEY EVER TELL WITH ROLLINS AT THIS POINT. Seriously, name one "big card" match of Rollins' as a face that didn't either include a betrayal from someone else or his freaking knee being made out of paper mache? Seriously, sometimes I wonder what is keeping these guys around aside from the money if they have to work for a Groundhog Day company that can't even remember their own long-term booking... Moments like kofi and the fact it’s still a dream job
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 20, 2019 11:51:08 GMT -5
The fact Seth can’t wrestle right now hurts him because he really should be having a mini feud in between Mania Him and Lesnar isn’t that hot, that they can talk for 2 months and the crowd will be on fire. They should have worked the injury into the build. "How can Seth possibly beat Brock if he's not 100%?" The problem is that makes up a lot of Rollins feuds tho it’s a well they can go one more time due to it being Brock and people can’t beat him at 100% They should have Brock throw the steps on his back or something therefore you can take Rollins off the road for like 2 weeks and just do some vignettes showing him rehabbing and vowing to beat Brock even if he gets destroyed in the process
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 20, 2019 11:58:46 GMT -5
Brock Leanar should beat Rollins and beat him pretty soundly. Build somebody else up to take on Lesnar because Seth is just almost inconceivably boring right now. I don’t know if he took a stiff shot to the head but his promos are the most paint by the numbers WWE storytelling I ever remember hearing. I’ve heard better mic work and more passionate promos in early 2000s WWF video games.
I care nothing about him, whether he wins or loses or retires the night before Wrestlemania
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Post by Mecca on Feb 20, 2019 12:00:56 GMT -5
You have a champion who is never around and a roster of guys who have been 50/50 booked so much no one stands out. Seth Rollins should be over because of how he works yet he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 12:03:28 GMT -5
Since neither one is around they should just film some training videos of each guy. Have Brock ragdolling jobbers on his farm or his MMA gym. Have Rollins working at the PC. It worked for pretty much every fight movie ever, so why not?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 16:52:12 GMT -5
It should be Demon Balor vs Lesnar at WM. They’ve missed a trick there. This only works if the previous match hadn't happened. Brock wrestles once a millennium and always wins, he broke the Streak, killed Cena and beat Roman a bunch of times. Why would you NOT hit him with your best shot in what might be your only opportunity, for a title you never lost? If Finn gets another match with Brock and shows up as the Demon, then it just kinda indicates that he's a f***ing moron.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 20, 2019 18:14:11 GMT -5
It should be Demon Balor vs Lesnar at WM. They’ve missed a trick there. This only works if the previous match hadn't happened. Brock wrestles once a millennium and always wins, he broke the Streak, killed Cena and beat Roman a bunch of times. Why would you NOT hit him with your best shot in what might be your only opportunity, for a title you never lost? If Finn gets another match with Brock and shows up as the Demon, then it just kinda indicates that he's a f***ing moron. Ehhhh... that’s debatable. It wasn’t like Brock destroyed Finn. Brock only survived the match with Diet Finn. You sell it that way and then when you sell Cherry Finn for Mania, it works nicely narratively. Finn tried to be too honorable, he needs to embrace his dark side.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 18:19:17 GMT -5
This only works if the previous match hadn't happened. Brock wrestles once a millennium and always wins, he broke the Streak, killed Cena and beat Roman a bunch of times. Why would you NOT hit him with your best shot in what might be your only opportunity, for a title you never lost? If Finn gets another match with Brock and shows up as the Demon, then it just kinda indicates that he's a f***ing moron. Ehhhh... that’s debatable. It wasn’t like Brock destroyed Finn. Brock only survived the match with Diet Finn. You sell it that way and then when you sell Cherry Finn for Mania, it works nicely narratively. Finn tried to be too honorable, he needs to embrace his dark side. The way the actual match went isn't relevant to the point I was making though honestly. I felt like Balor had been booked as a moron from the moment he showed up for that match without the paint on.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 20, 2019 18:20:01 GMT -5
Ehhhh... that’s debatable. It wasn’t like Brock destroyed Finn. Brock only survived the match with Diet Finn. You sell it that way and then when you sell Cherry Finn for Mania, it works nicely narratively. Finn tried to be too honorable, he needs to embrace his dark side. The way the actual match went isn't relevant to the point I was making though honestly. I felt like Balor had been booked as a moron from the moment he showed up for that match without the paint on. But what about my soda puns...
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 20, 2019 18:21:07 GMT -5
The way the actual match went isn't relevant to the point I was making though honestly. I felt like Balor had been booked as a moron from the moment he showed up for that match without the paint on. But what about my soda puns... ...I had a long day at work. Cherry Finn sounds deviant somehow.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 20, 2019 18:23:41 GMT -5
It shouldn't be too difficult to build up Seth as someone who can answer Lesnar's assault. He's got two specific things on his side.
1) He's pretty damn athletic 2) The Curb Stomp can believably put down anyone.
You could both establish that Seth can escape most of Lesnar's regular offence, and that the Curb Stomp can keep him down, to actually present this as somewhat of an even match. Seth doesn't have to overpower Lesnar, he could just tire him out, since Lesnar usually works shorter matches. Then one Curbstomp, and boom, Lesnar's down for the count. But for whatever reason they never want to show that these guys can measure of to Brock, it's always the same "look how much fight they have, they wont give up" as they're rag-dolled across the arena by the guy. That's not impressive, fans want a guy who can both win and look like a champion. The underdog fighting from beneath can work, but only in specific situations. The guy who wins the Rumble shouldn't be such an underdog that they don't even look like they measure up to the champion in any way.
Also as previously mentioned, there's also the history that Seth originally took Lesnar's belt from him 4 years ago, but never actually beat him. There's enough there that this should be an engaging feud. But they just do the same tired story every time. It's like whatever creative energy that was around when they initially started this boss mode Lesnar push has completely plateaued. The match might be good, it has every opportunity to be so. But good matches right now are a dime dozen. Stars are made from their stories and character, and WWE is severely lacking in both.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:32:29 GMT -5
Has Lesnar ever hit an F5 on Rollins as he was going for a curb stomp?
That’s the only spot that interests me, and it’s probably already been done.
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Post by robferatu on Feb 21, 2019 0:39:39 GMT -5
It's hard to build-up a compelling story when one guy is only there for go-home shows, which has been the story of Brock Lesnar's reign as champion for the past two years, but it's only compounded by the fact that Seth Rollins is hurt and even though he has been doing regular promos to build up the match, it almost feels like he's not there either.
Also, you can only do the same promo over and over so many times before it kind of just feels like filler, like they're going through the motions and that's kind of how I've been feeling about this build.
But yeah, I agree... It's dying a slow death, there's no heat for it and in comparison to the build for Rhonda Rousey vs. Charlotte Flair vs. Becky Lynch, the build is embarrassing.
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