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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 19, 2019 7:08:07 GMT -5
Wait wait wait... Are you guys really trying to tell me that a program featuring Brock Lesnar involves the same old boring shit that EVERY program involving Brock Lesnar does?
I, for one, am shocked. SHOCKED, I say!*
*not really even a little bit at all
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 19, 2019 7:26:56 GMT -5
This is the type of situation where WWE's lack of interest in what goes on in the ring comes back to bite them.
There's a ready-made story here: Brock and Seth have been in two 3-man matches for the belt, and Seth's won both, but he didn't pin Brock either time. That should play into how each man is approaching the match; Brock should be overconfident and dying to get his hands on the little weasel who's "cheated" him out of the belt twice now, while Seth should be showing the full evolution of his character away from smarmy, sneaky heel into full-fire babyface-dom. This could be done with segments and pretapes showing Seth training for the match, and emphasizing that he knows he can't prepare for Brock the way that he used to anymore (maybe book a couple Raw matches along the way that shows Seth using new strategies or moves/sequences); the story becomes that Seth enters WM with a new gameplan, Brock might have prepared in his own way, but the question is now if Seth's new approach will work, or if Brock is just too damn powerful to end.
Toss in some Shield-related emotional stuff along the way, and it could work, but instead they kind of book these matches around "Seth Rollins will have to do the same stuff he always does, but he'll have to do it way harder at Wrestlemania!"
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 19, 2019 7:42:09 GMT -5
Of course it is. Seth can't sell a heroic babyface run to save his life, and Brock's not even there. The idea that anyone could think this should main event over Becky vs Ronda (vs Charlotte) is absurd. If it does main event, or "joint main event" then it just shows that all the WWE's talk of women's evolution and equality is nothing but PR drivel. It will still be clear that they see the women as second class citizens in their company.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 7:50:57 GMT -5
Of course it is. Seth can't sell a heroic babyface run to save his life, and Brock's not even there. The idea that anyone could think this should main event over Becky vs Ronda (vs Charlotte) is absurd. If it does main event, or "joint main event" then it just shows that all the WWE's talk of women's evolution and equality is nothing but PR drivel. It will still be clear that they see the women as second class citizens in their company. It seems like they're going the joint main event route. Rumor a few weeks back was the women's match was planned to close but the Lesnar / Rollins match would be pushed as the main on TV, which is certainly the way they've been going since they can't stop saying "main event" over and over every time the match is brought up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:54:30 GMT -5
It should be Demon Balor vs Lesnar at WM.
They’ve missed a trick there.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 19, 2019 9:00:54 GMT -5
The Rollins - Bork match should be the match on paper, however, they stink at building Lesnar matches. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Balor match exceeded expectations without the 8 weeks of the same old buildup. Hell, the same thing happened with Kofi/DB. They can't do long builds.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 19, 2019 9:01:50 GMT -5
The fact Seth can’t wrestle right now hurts him because he really should be having a mini feud in between Mania
Him and Lesnar isn’t that hot, that they can talk for 2 months and the crowd will be on fire.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 19, 2019 10:15:12 GMT -5
Of course it is. Seth can't sell a heroic babyface run to save his life, and Brock's not even there. The idea that anyone could think this should main event over Becky vs Ronda (vs Charlotte) is absurd. If it does main event, or "joint main event" then it just shows that all the WWE's talk of women's evolution and equality is nothing but PR drivel. It will still be clear that they see the women as second class citizens in their company.
Yeah, co-main eventing isn't enough, the women need to close. That said, WWE has also been giving a lot more time and effort to their build (especially as you can trace it back until at least November), which is a good sign.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 19, 2019 10:23:12 GMT -5
I don't see Rollins as any sort of long term answer as a top guy. I think he might be used as a transition champion to move it to McIntyre coming out of WM. But yeah I too would have gone with Balor as The Demon vs. Lesnar at WM.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 19, 2019 10:43:19 GMT -5
I think they just like pushing as a Co-Main event is still because they want to keep the reputation that the rumble means headlining WrestleMania.
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Post by prichardmark on Feb 19, 2019 12:02:18 GMT -5
Of course it was gonna be a failure. The writing was on the wall from the beginning:
-Lesnar has already beaten the crap out Rollins multiple times -Lesnar is hardly ever around TO have a proper planned out feud (not like WWE is capable of this anyways even when guys are full time on TV) - Rollins is a small. Doesn't pose a serious physical threat to a former UFC shoot fighter like Lesnar. Who outweighs him by probably 70-80 pounds (theres a reason there are Weight classes in most contact sports) -Rollins is "meh" as a face -Rollins is average at best on the mic. Less than average as a face on the mic
They should have kept Strowman safe and undefeated for 2 years and continue his monster build, win the rumble and going into this years mania. Then you would have had a WM Main event that could peak people's interest. This is what SHOULD have happened
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 19, 2019 12:24:03 GMT -5
Lesnar's had more misses than hits. I honestly doubt it. If he decides to put some effort in then it might be decent. If it's your typical suplex city crap then I hope they get it out of the way early. Nah I have enjoyed most of Brock's matches since his return. The ones with Braun / Roman / Undertaker have been misses but everything else has been great. I loved the match with roman in 2015 and the two with Taker that year
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 19, 2019 13:20:11 GMT -5
Why would anyone want Lesnar to lose? He is not even there and still 4x better at everything than Rollins. None of the people on the entire roster are properly booked to beat him. No one, to even make it credible would take like 2 years. Either Vince wants this Lesnar thing over with or he retains again lol. Either way no one cares about that Red Title. There's a lot of people who would rather have a cardboard standee of Scottie Pippen as universal champion than Brock. At this rate, I'd take a sun-faded copy of Juwanna Mann on VHS as Universal Champion over Brock.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 19, 2019 13:22:21 GMT -5
Everyone knows Becky Lynch hired Vince Russo to kill the Lesnar/Rollins storyline.
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Post by sunnytaker on Feb 19, 2019 14:05:13 GMT -5
seth is probably going to have a just short run as the champ if only because brock has beaten everyone else or no one else is seen as a threat to him if they keep the belt on him. seth as champ though is more vulnerable to more people and will do that thing where the champ appears at the shows he's the champ of and does this thing in the ring, I think they are called matches, while holding the belt. plus I expect a SHIELD version of the curtain call when seth lodes win. dean comes out first (as his final appearance if he's gone after mania) for the staredown, then roman's music hits and is no doubt stunned by the fact he's actually hearing cheers from the crowd and the three of them do the SHIELD salute one final time.
then roman takes a chair to dean and seth, grabs a mic and says "this is the last chance i'd ever get to be the one to stab both of you in the back for once so NOW we're even."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:58:17 GMT -5
Of course this build sucks - it's a Lesnar program post-2014.
I still think Seth is the best option available to take the title though. While not as white hot as he was last year, he's still the most popular babyface on Raw. Somebody (I'm sorry that I can't remember who.. Let me know) on this board has mentioned a few times that he has a connection with the crowd where it feels like he's conversing *with* them; I think that's spot on, and makes up for the sometimes lackluster content of his promos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:27:23 GMT -5
Of course this build sucks - it's a Lesnar program post-2014. I still think Seth is the best option available to take the title though. While not as white hot as he was last year, he's still the most popular babyface on Raw. Somebody (I'm sorry that I can't remember who.. Let me know) on this board has mentioned a few times that he has a connection with the crowd where it feels like he's conversing *with* them; I think that's spot on, and makes up for the sometimes lackluster content of his promos. Tis I! The man who said the thing lol in my opinion, Seth is that dude. The way he speaks when he’s in front of the audience really has that CM Punk like quality where he’s talking to and not at the audience. It’s very apparent in his promo after the Rumble where he was tearing up and that promo in Canada where the crowd were on fire for him. He isn’t lighting the world on fire but that’s sadly due to his back and also due to them using the same build over and over again. The difference is I can personally buy Seth as the underdog/workhouse with nothing to lose and everything to gain. “Selling my soul to the devil” line aside, he comes across as a damn good underdog, and despite the ass build, the crowds are still very much smitten with the idea of him slaying the beast and winning that belt.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 19, 2019 22:54:49 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Rollins is the guy to beat Lesnar. I suspect that Finn's run with the I-C title will be longer and more eventful - building Balor up as a fighting champ. A fighting midcard champ wouldn't be needed if Rollins is to come out of Wrestlemania with the Universal title. Indeed, I can see Rollins moved over to Smackdown Live when the Shakeup comes around.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 19, 2019 22:58:25 GMT -5
Of course it is. Seth can't sell a heroic babyface run to save his life, and Brock's not even there. The idea that anyone could think this should main event over Becky vs Ronda (vs Charlotte) is absurd. If it does main event, or "joint main event" then it just shows that all the WWE's talk of women's evolution and equality is nothing but PR drivel. It will still be clear that they see the women as second class citizens in their company. It seems like they're going the joint main event route. Rumor a few weeks back was the women's match was planned to close but the Lesnar / Rollins match would be pushed as the main on TV, which is certainly the way they've been going since they can't stop saying "main event" over and over every time the match is brought up. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Brock doesn't even want to close Mania, and it's pretty understandable. It's going to be colder the longer the show goes, the crowd's probably going to be gassed, and he can beat the traffic and get back to his hotel sooner. The only real upside to closing Mania is for prestige sake, and Brock probably doesn't give a shit about that as long as his paycheck stays the same.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 19, 2019 23:00:49 GMT -5
I think that's the whole reason Ambrose is coming into play here. Last week Ambrose said Rollins needs to slay the beast. This week McIntyre tries to get at Rollins and Ambrose steps up to him. Ambrose then asks where Rollins was. It all sounds like a setup to have Lesnar take Ambrose out to give this Rollins/Lesnar feud an extra umph that it doesn't have right now. That's an excellent point, and not one that I had considered. Using Ambrose as a sacrificial lamb as he's on his way out may be the best angle to take with this rather than them having Ambrose putting over someone like Nia. Of course, I don't trust them to stick the landing with this, or even do it at all, but I think you're right, it'd be the perfect thing to take it up a level.
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