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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 21, 2019 20:02:55 GMT -5
I disagree, in that tag team, it was advancing Candice but it didn’t do anything for Joey. except make him the most over he'd even been up to that point in his career No no way, the most over he was in his career before the dick thing was the moustache ride and the dynasty era.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 21, 2019 20:31:06 GMT -5
except make him the most over he'd even been up to that point in his career No no way, the most over he was in his career before the dick thing was the moustache ride and the dynasty era. Yeah, no. Dynasty never made it out of So Cal. Joey and Candace got work all over the place. Your narrative just doesn't work, dude.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 21, 2019 20:33:10 GMT -5
No no way, the most over he was in his career before the dick thing was the moustache ride and the dynasty era. Yeah, no. Dynasty never made it out of So Cal. Joey and Candace got work all over the place. Your narrative just doesn't work, dude. Candice got over with the world’s cutest tag team, not Joey. And I’m pretty sure the dynasty worked around the country. I’m not denying that Joey is currently over and draws money, but he was an afterthought with Candice.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 21, 2019 20:42:01 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Dynasty never made it out of So Cal. Joey and Candace got work all over the place. Your narrative just doesn't work, dude. Candice got over with the world’s cutest tag team, not Joey. And I’m pretty sure the dynasty worked around the country. I’m not denying that Joey is currently over and draws money, but he was an afterthought with Candice. Whether that's true or not, that absolutely does not mean his career was done between TNA and the dick stuff. Dude worked consistently, and was one of the few in that scene that was able to support himself without a "regular job." He might not have been as well off as he is now, or even during the TNA run, and he may have been struggling a bit, but who hasn't? Life isn't completely black and white. There's a lot of grey.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Feb 21, 2019 20:57:28 GMT -5
Candice got over with the world’s cutest tag team, not Joey. And I’m pretty sure the dynasty worked around the country. I’m not denying that Joey is currently over and draws money, but he was an afterthought with Candice. Whether that's true or not, that absolutely does not mean his career was done between TNA and the dick stuff. Dude worked consistently, and was one of the few in that scene that was able to support himself without a "regular job." He might not have been as well off as he is now, or even during the TNA run, and he may have been struggling a bit, but who hasn't? Life isn't completely black and white. There's a lot of grey. Least we forget that even before the whole dong gimmick Joey Ryan was one of the few non-WWE wrestlers to get his shirts into Hot Topic alongside the Young Bucks and Bullet Club. You don't get that kind of deal by being a nobody or from having a lack of presence in the scene.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 21, 2019 21:06:35 GMT -5
Whether that's true or not, that absolutely does not mean his career was done between TNA and the dick stuff. Dude worked consistently, and was one of the few in that scene that was able to support himself without a "regular job." He might not have been as well off as he is now, or even during the TNA run, and he may have been struggling a bit, but who hasn't? Life isn't completely black and white. There's a lot of grey. Least we forget that even before the whole dong gimmick Joey Ryan was one of the few non-WWE wrestlers to get his shirts into Hot Topic alongside the Young Bucks and Bullet Club. You don't get that kind of deal by being a nobody or from having a lack of presence in the scene. And he absolutely was not an afterthought with Candace. That team got over on the entire story of Joey getting tired of The Buck's and co. Running roughshod over PWG, a company he helped found. His entire face turn there was literally "no-one beats her up but me." That Guerilla Warfare match put that team on the map, but it would not have worked nearly as well with just anybody in Joey's spot. Well, maybe Human Tornado, but still. Also, before that Candace pretty much worked social Indies, Guerilla and Shimmer. She definitely got more over with the team, but discounting Joey's role in that is a complete falsehood.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Feb 21, 2019 21:10:34 GMT -5
Yeah, like, Candice herself has said how much Joey helped her career both behind the scenes and just by teaming up with her. How she was inconsistently getting SHIMMER dates, how she got booked on spot shows here and there, how her presence on PWG shows varied and that changed and she was able to comfortably support herself once Joey and her started teaming and people wanted the entire act booked of Joey and her.
Some people seem to forget or just don't know that Candice was woefully underrated and underutilized by the indies until her wagon was hitched to Joey Ryan's.
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Post by abjordans on Feb 21, 2019 21:35:08 GMT -5
Joey Ryan is annoying. Lance Storm and Hurricane immediately shit on this nonsense.
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Post by Error on Feb 21, 2019 21:38:55 GMT -5
You'd think after covering damn near his entire career in one or two other threads just this week it wouldn't be necessary for at least another year or at least 6 months, but here we are, again.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Feb 21, 2019 21:46:45 GMT -5
You'd think after covering damn near his entire career in one or two other threads just this week it wouldn't be necessary for at least another year or at least 6 months, but here we are, again. He's a polarizing personality. No different than any of The Elite or Punk or Cena or any number of wrestling personalities before him that were the same and received similar discussions on boards in the past.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 21, 2019 21:55:19 GMT -5
You'd think after covering damn near his entire career in one or two other threads just this week it wouldn't be necessary for at least another year or at least 6 months, but here we are, again. He's a polarizing personality. No different than any of The Elite or Punk or Cena or any number of wrestling personalities before him that were the same and received similar discussions on boards in the past. I hate his style of wrestling but the f***er is a pioneer on the same vain as those guys. A lot of wwe guys currently owe a lot to him.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 21, 2019 21:56:58 GMT -5
Can we get back to the fact he said something dumb? Focus, people.
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Post by Larryhausen on Feb 22, 2019 5:40:31 GMT -5
Can we get back to the fact he said something dumb? Focus, people. What did he say again? Seriously, though, as I said earlier, he got called out and backtracked a bit. It was a dumb blanket statement to make, but I know 100% that there is some truth to it. Also, apologies for helping derail the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 7:28:23 GMT -5
Yeah, no. Dynasty never made it out of So Cal. Joey and Candace got work all over the place. Your narrative just doesn't work, dude. Candice got over with the world’s cutest tag team, not Joey. And I’m pretty sure the dynasty worked around the country. I’m not denying that Joey is currently over and draws money, but he was an afterthought with Candice. They were booked everywhere together, around the world. I get it, you don't like Joey's whole presentation. But he's one of the few guys who has made a living as a pro wrestler, around the world, outside of the WWE system. And this was true for several years before the dick spot stuff started.
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Post by Woo on Feb 24, 2019 21:41:20 GMT -5
Yeah, like, Candice herself has said how much Joey helped her career both behind the scenes and just by teaming up with her. How she was inconsistently getting SHIMMER dates, how she got booked on spot shows here and there, how her presence on PWG shows varied and that changed and she was able to comfortably support herself once Joey and her started teaming and people wanted the entire act booked of Joey and her. Some people seem to forget or just don't know that Candice was woefully underrated and underutilized by the indies until her wagon was hitched to Joey Ryan's. I actually don't think Candice even got into Shimmer until after she started teaming with Joey. I like Joey Ryan a lot. He seems to be one of the good guys in wrestling and has done so much to help women in wrestling get to where they are now. His fun in LU was very entertaining too. And he's one of the smartest people in wrestling, getting over by not doing anything. I remember reading comments by Saraya Knight (Paige's Mum) about how guys would talk about the pips they get when they do their 450, shooting star planchas and she said "I get my pop the moment my music plays". If you can get a simple move over that does doesn't come with a risk of injury then you are winning in this business. His comment wasn't that dumb. He's just saying that there's money to be made on the indies now where you can truly be an independent contractor.
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