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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Feb 22, 2019 13:33:28 GMT -5
Don't know who caught this, but during her media run for "Fighting With My Family", Paige had some interesting comments regarding women being held back in the WWE... "It was never WWE holding the women back. It was the fans not taking them seriously. They wanted to see more of the male characters many years ago. It was a male dominated sport. When I first started, there were only five women there. It was a struggle, but WWE believed in us. When I got to the ring, I wanted to prove to the fans that girls were capable of having good matches and sometimes, even better. That was kind of my mission from the get go. Now there's obviously a revolution" gulfnews.com/entertainment/hollywood/wwe-star-paige-on-beating-depression-with-help-from-Dwayne-Johnson-1.62146979I love ya Paige, but no...just no. While she's right about some fans feeling that way, the biggest reason a lot of them felt that way was because the WWE had spent years conditioning fans to feel that way, whether it was bra & panties matches or John Laurinaitus hiring models over actual wrestlers, they were treated worse than their male counterparts for years.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 22, 2019 13:35:32 GMT -5
The fans didn’t take y’all seriously because the wwe hold the women back and for a long ass period only hired lingerie models. The female belt was a bratz toy!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:37:43 GMT -5
Damn, I love Paige and while it's sadly true that there are people who won't take the women seriously no matter how well they're booked, this is a huge swing and a miss. lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:39:41 GMT -5
So that’ll be the new narrative for the Stephanie McMahon women’s revolution. It was the fans fault.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 22, 2019 13:40:25 GMT -5
Eh. It was partially the fans of the time.
But it was mostly Johnny Ace.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Feb 22, 2019 13:41:28 GMT -5
This screams "It never happened to me so it never happened."
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Feb 22, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
More like Fighting With My Fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 13:43:07 GMT -5
That's why the biggest wrestling organization in the world was pretty much the last place for women's wrestling to get respect... because there just weren't enough interested fans.
What a crock of shit.
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Post by Prince Petty on Feb 22, 2019 13:43:26 GMT -5
Hard to take them seriously when they're told they've got five minutes out there... oh and they've got to wear bikinis and wrestle in mud.
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Post by realist on Feb 22, 2019 13:43:41 GMT -5
Eh. It was partially the fans of the time. But it was mostly Johnny Ace. Nah. Johnny Ace gets too much blame. He was a mere foot soldier following orders from his boss. Those orders were to look through lingerie magazines and find talent. The boss was Vince McMahon. If he wanted serious women's wrestling at any point before now, he could have made it happen.
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2019 13:44:20 GMT -5
Ok, so, let me first say that I get that fan perception didn't help things. Hell, there are still people that think women aren't as capable as men in a lot of stuff and that's a systematic problem we as a society have to sort out, wrestling or otherwise. You'd be some kind of ignorant fool to deny any of that.
BUT
You are absolutely kidding yourself if 99.9% of this didn't fall on WWE's lap. They let Moolah run roughshot over a division that was growing to cause barely anyone of an athletic standard to break through into mainstream wrestling (for ever Ivory and Jackie, there were several Sables, Kats, Toris etc) AND treat them as sideshow acts and bra and panty models. The damage was a long time ago and something WWE could have changed a long time ago if they were that damn bothered about it.
And the fact they have the absolute gall to rewrite history on this stuff is ridiculous when it's the ample opportunity to look humble, throw your hands up and say "Yeah, we did that. We don't feel good about it but we're making it up by giving you the best women wrestling in the world".
I get you, Paige, you say these things because you work for WWE and don't want to look bad. Completely sympathise. You're REALLY wrong, though.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2019 13:44:32 GMT -5
Hey Paige, why f*** up all that goodwill you've been gaining back since returning from your suspensions?
Don't say stupid things again.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 22, 2019 13:46:01 GMT -5
Eh. It was partially the fans of the time. But it was mostly Johnny Ace. Nah. Johnny Ace gets too much blame. He was a mere foot soldier following orders from his boss. Those orders were to look through lingerie magazines and find talent. The boss was Vince McMahon. If he wanted serious women's wrestling at any point before now, he could have made it happen. Vince didn't order Johnny Ace to pick FCW over Booker T's promotion for developmental. Johnny picked it because he liked the Strip Clubs in Florida.
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2019 13:47:13 GMT -5
Also, this Twitter thread is really good at basically noting all the stories of women of the era of Victoria, Melina and McCool being treated like dog crap for various reasons.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 22, 2019 13:49:15 GMT -5
yeah ok paige
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 22, 2019 13:50:49 GMT -5
Vince McMahon allegedly said that if the fans wanted to watch the women have a normal match, then he would just book two men. The blame starts at the top, at the guy giving the orders.
My generation was conditioned and presented with nothing but lingerie, mud, pudding, and other humiliating matches.
The fans can only react to what’s presented to them and for a generation Vince only fed us bullshit.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 22, 2019 13:56:10 GMT -5
Well that's some horseshit. I get towing the company line, but it's pretty ludicrous given that the company always presented them as an afterthought outside of maybe Alundra Blayze in the early 90s and Richter in the 80s if we're being generous.
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Post by Rave on Feb 22, 2019 13:57:08 GMT -5
LOL NO. LOLWWE Archive (language warning). Near the end of the page is an entire section titled "The Fall of the Women's Division", with a separate section just under that documenting the "Divas Revolution". There's plenty of evidence there that nobody in WWE believed in the women until their collective hand was forced, and that's not even documenting stuff after November 2017 or dirtsheet stuff like them changing what the women could do weekly.
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Post by realist on Feb 22, 2019 13:57:56 GMT -5
To be fair, Paige is a moron.
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Post by Perd on Feb 22, 2019 14:03:34 GMT -5
Man that WWE Kool Aid is some strong stuff. What she said is demonstrably untrue. I understand not wanting to shit on the company you can pro for, put placing the blame on the fanbase is complete and utter BS.
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