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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 22, 2019 14:05:26 GMT -5
Paige isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2019 14:07:51 GMT -5
I feel it's really unfair to put anything on Paige for this, to be honest. Yes, it's a really dumb thing to say but considering everyone else's interviews lately, it's more towing the company line but really badly.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2019 14:11:50 GMT -5
Thought about it some more. What an infuriating thing to say.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 22, 2019 14:13:21 GMT -5
lol
Oh please.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 22, 2019 14:14:13 GMT -5
The co-main event of the first Wrestlemania was a Women’s Title Match. It was treated with the same seriousness as the men’s matches. The best match at the first Royal Rumble was a Women’s Tag Team Title Match. It was treated with the seriousness of the men’s matches. The fans were invested in those. Those both were over 30 years ago. WWE is almost solely responsible for the state of Women’s wrestling 10-20 years ago. Every time they treated Women’s wrestling seriously (including that mini revival with Alundra Blayze), so did the fans.
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2019 14:15:46 GMT -5
The co-main event of the first Wrestlemania was a Women’s Title Match. It was treated with the same seriousness as the men’s matches. The best match at the first Royal Rumble was a Women’s Tag Team Title Match. It was treated with the seriousness of the men’s matches. The fans were invested in those. Those both were over 30 years ago. WWE is almost solely responsible for the state of Women’s wrestling in 10-15 years ago. Every time they treated Women’s wrestling seriously, so did the fans. Watching the Women's Survivor Series match from around that time was mindblowing because of Jesse Ventura putting over the Jumping Bomb Angels as the second coming.
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Post by Perd on Feb 22, 2019 14:16:47 GMT -5
Also, ya might not want to say this about the people you’re hoping will pay to see your movie. Just a dumb thing to say on pretty much every level:
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 22, 2019 14:21:24 GMT -5
I feel it's really unfair to put anything on Paige for this, to be honest. Yes, it's a really dumb thing to say but considering everyone else's interviews lately, it's more towing the company line but really badly. Oh yeah, I absolutely believe they had her prepped with lines to say if any questions like that came up. Whether it's exactly what WWE fed her or her ad libbing and handling it clumsily, I fully buy the idea that it's towing the company line, so aiming vitriol at her isn't the answer (not that it would be even if it is her honest opinion).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:22:42 GMT -5
Paige deary do not allow this to be the hill you choose to die on
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Post by Chris Legentil -- Mind Freak on Feb 22, 2019 14:26:42 GMT -5
There's literally a billion interviews from girls from the Divas era about how hard they were restricted from even vaguely wrestling like the men, but uh go off?
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Post by schma on Feb 22, 2019 14:27:41 GMT -5
The crazy thing is the divas revolution wasn't even the start of us being conditioned to not take women's wrestling seriously. They love to talk about how Trish and Lita main evented Raw years ago. They often don't bother to mention that it was a bra and panties match. It was kind of one of those monkey paw things, yeah you can have a main event match but you have to take your clothes off. The divas era was when it became most blatant but even in the attitude era and before the women were rarely treated seriously even when they had some legit wrestlers. It's one thing to tow the company line Paige, it's another to completely ignore the struggles that went on for a couple decades before you showed up.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Feb 22, 2019 14:39:11 GMT -5
Yes, the fans sure forced WWE to do a Paige/AJ Lee feud built around softcore lesbian titillation.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Feb 22, 2019 14:41:54 GMT -5
The crazy thing is the divas revolution wasn't even the start of us being conditioned to not take women's wrestling seriously. They love to talk about how Trish and Lita main evented Raw years ago. They often don't bother to mention that it was a bra and panties match. It was kind of one of those monkey paw things, yeah you can have a main event match but you have to take your clothes off. The divas era was when it became most blatant but even in the attitude era and before the women were rarely treated seriously even when they had some legit wrestlers. It's one thing to tow the company line Paige, it's another to completely ignore the struggles that went on for a couple decades before you showed up. Trish-Lita wasn't bra and panties, FWIW... youtu.be/o57EWyUvDvcThat said, yeah, she's wrong. I don't blame her for not bashing her employer, but no.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -5
Why do WWE employees hate the fans so much ;(
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Feb 22, 2019 15:10:47 GMT -5
Way to toe the company line, Paige 🙄
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 22, 2019 15:29:45 GMT -5
Everything bad about WWE is the fan's fault, don't ya know?
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 22, 2019 15:31:32 GMT -5
Why do WWE independent contractors hate the fans so much ;(
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Feb 22, 2019 16:05:36 GMT -5
So that’ll be the new narrative for the Stephanie McMahon women’s revolution. It was the fans fault. The WWE Universe have been depicted as heels for the better part of the decade.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Feb 22, 2019 16:11:06 GMT -5
Alright, I'm about to hand out some Hard to Swallow pills...
She's absolutely right. The WWE never held women back.
Now, did they treat women's wrestling SERIOUSLY? No.
But until a few years ago, their women's wrestling wasn't meant to be taken seriously. They never, ever cared about match quality as it pertained to the women. The women were there for T&A. Hence, they didn't hire female wrestlers, they hired models, actresses, and just plain pretty ladies. They weren't there to be great wrestlers, they were there to entertain and titilate the predominantly male audience. Over the time that spanned from Wrestlemania 1 until 2005 or later, they only hired a handful of women who were anything more than passable in the ring. It's not like they were hiring all these amazing female wrestlers and making them do jello matches. They were largely hiring women who were suitable for jello matches and nothing else.
And on that platform, the women were never, ever held back. Sable, Torrie Wilson, Chyna, Stacy Keibler, Kelly Kelly, Sunny, Terri Runnels, the Kat, and many others became huge stars and focal points of the shows at various times. Were they good wrestlers or taken seriously in the ring? Absolutely not. Were they meant to be? Absolutely not. Held back? Not even kinda. They did exactly what they were paid to do, and again, became huge stars in the process, many of whom have managed to transcend the wrestling business and become stars outside of it.
Plus, as someone else pointed out, during the times when they DID take women's wrestling seriously, it was promoted and pushed the same way as the men. Most people forget that Wendi Richter was one of their most heavily pushed and promoted stars in the early-to-mid 80s, and presented her matches as every bit as important as any others, and more so than most, actually.
It's also important to note that it's really only been in the last decade that women's wrestling has started to become a major thing in America. The pool of female talent who could really go was very, very shallow for a long, long time, especially in America.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 16:30:12 GMT -5
Alright, I'm about to hand out some Hard to Swallow pills... She's absolutely right. The WWE never held women back. Now, did they treat women's wrestling SERIOUSLY? No. But until a few years ago, their women's wrestling wasn't meant to be taken seriously. They never, ever cared about match quality as it pertained to the women. The women were there for T&A. Hence, they didn't hire female wrestlers, they hired models, actresses, and just plain pretty ladies. They weren't there to be great wrestlers, they were there to entertain and titilate the predominantly male audience. Over the time that spanned from Wrestlemania 1 until 2005 or later, they only hired a handful of women who were anything more than passable in the ring. It's not like they were hiring all these amazing female wrestlers and making them do jello matches. They were largely hiring women who were suitable for jello matches and nothing else. And on that platform, the women were never, ever held back. Sable, Torrie Wilson, Chyna, Stacy Keibler, Kelly Kelly, Sunny, Terri Runnels, the Kat, and many others became huge stars and focal points of the shows at various times. Were they good wrestlers or taken seriously in the ring? Absolutely not. Were they meant to be? Absolutely not. Held back? Not even kinda. They did exactly what they were paid to do, and again, became huge stars in the process, many of whom have managed to transcend the wrestling business and become stars outside of it. Plus, as someone else pointed out, during the times when they DID take women's wrestling seriously, it was promoted and pushed the same way as the men. Most people forget that Wendi Richter was one of their most heavily pushed and promoted stars in the early-to-mid 80s, and presented her matches as every bit as important as any others, and more so than most, actually. It's also important to note that it's really only been in the last decade that women's wrestling has started to become a major thing in America. The pool of female talent who could really go was very, very shallow for a long, long time, especially in America. Also, this Twitter thread is really good at basically noting all the stories of women of the era of Victoria, Melina and McCool being treated like dog crap for various reasons. An entire Twitter thread about women of the Divas era and current being held back. Even ones who were hired not for their wrestling ability, they wanted to do more than what they were allowed to do. Told not to do anything that made the men look bad, or not to look too real, or hey your 15 minute match is now 30 seconds. So no, they were absolutely held back by WWE. Not to mention, just the act of WWE not taking women's wrestling seriously is an act of holding back the women. When you present an entire generation of fans with a product that says that women only matter if they're taking their clothes off, you are creating a mindset in those fans that takes so very long to undo. And even when you get good to great wrestlers you are giving them little time to have anything resembling a quality match. The entire mindset of booking for the women in that time period was detrimental to women's wrestling in America as a whole.
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