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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 27, 2019 23:51:37 GMT -5
I'm going to keep saying this whenever it's made obvious. Jericho is a bigger mark than we are. AEW hasn't done anything yet. You can't be like 'oh well AEW has the money to advertise that TNA doesn't, so TNA failed.' AEW hasn't failed. It hasn't succeeded. It is a twinkle in the eyes of its founders. Wind your f***ing neck in, lads. If Khan doesn’t have a good accountant hes gonna get Dixied’ and Crockett’d
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2019 1:54:45 GMT -5
I'm going to keep saying this whenever it's made obvious. Jericho is a bigger mark than we are. AEW hasn't done anything yet. You can't be like 'oh well AEW has the money to advertise that TNA doesn't, so TNA failed.' AEW hasn't failed. It hasn't succeeded. It is a twinkle in the eyes of its founders. Wind your f***ing neck in, lads. On one point, I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, how quick did All In sell out? And All or Nothing sold even better, so that's not chopped liver.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 28, 2019 2:46:58 GMT -5
I'm going to keep saying this whenever it's made obvious. Jericho is a bigger mark than we are. AEW hasn't done anything yet. You can't be like 'oh well AEW has the money to advertise that TNA doesn't, so TNA failed.' AEW hasn't failed. It hasn't succeeded. It is a twinkle in the eyes of its founders. Wind your f***ing neck in, lads. On one point, I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, how quick did All In sell out? And All or Nothing sold even better, so that's not chopped liver. It's the wrestling equivalent of those people who hyped up M. Night Shyamalan as the best new director in Hollywood after he made Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Selling out a the first couple of shows while the AEW hype is white hot isn't anything to look down on, but the true test is how they do after the hype has cooled off.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 28, 2019 2:59:02 GMT -5
On one point, I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, how quick did All In sell out? And All or Nothing sold even better, so that's not chopped liver. It's the wrestling equivalent of those people who hyped up M. Night Shyamalan as the best new director in Hollywood after he made Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Selling out a the first couple of shows while the AEW hype is white hot isn't anything to look down on, but the true test is how they do after the hype has cooled off. I definitely doubt it's going to always be in the day one sellout zone, obviously, but I think we're also out of the vapor company realm. It's more a "what is this going to be?" and less "is this going to implode on takeoff?", barring something catastrophic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 4:26:59 GMT -5
I'm going to keep saying this whenever it's made obvious. Jericho is a bigger mark than we are. AEW hasn't done anything yet. You can't be like 'oh well AEW has the money to advertise that TNA doesn't, so TNA failed.' AEW hasn't failed. It hasn't succeeded. It is a twinkle in the eyes of its founders. Wind your f***ing neck in, lads. Thank you
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Post by Juice on Feb 28, 2019 21:27:23 GMT -5
I'm going to keep saying this whenever it's made obvious. Jericho is a bigger mark than we are. AEW hasn't done anything yet. You can't be like 'oh well AEW has the money to advertise that TNA doesn't, so TNA failed.' AEW hasn't failed. It hasn't succeeded. It is a twinkle in the eyes of its founders. Wind your f***ing neck in, lads. Thank you Aew sold out two massive venues stateside tna never could have so theres that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 1:27:59 GMT -5
Aew sold out two massive venues stateside tna never could have so theres that. Oh for sure they're better organised and better run. They have a better chance of success at this stage than TNA ever did really. My comment and the one I was replying to though are based around the way some people are approaching AEW like they're already starting the Monday night wars. We don't know how they'll do. Let's be hopeful and wait to see.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Mar 1, 2019 1:50:25 GMT -5
They did, and they wasted it on past their prime guys like you, Booker. Yup, as long as you had that WWE/WCW/ECW stink on you, you'd get a big contract and pushed over originals. Hogan getting all his buddies a big fat payday was the beginning of the end. The Hogan era wasn't the beginning of the end... Okay, it was. But the issue here is TNA was not doing anything different before Hogan showed up, Hogan merely took all of TNA worst traits and cranked them up to 11.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 1, 2019 3:18:48 GMT -5
They did, and they wasted it on past their prime guys like you, Booker. That's their fault.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 1, 2019 4:13:43 GMT -5
this from the guy who if I remember right was pretty shellfish when he was there - he didn't come to help the younger talent or grow the company, he was all about himself - he wouldn't drop the tag belts clean so they wrote him out via injury during a title bout am I remembering that right? He was the dirt worst the entire time he was in TNA. Apparently he was trying to get into acting too, which is why he spent most of his time there switching between several stupid accents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 10:17:17 GMT -5
One of TNA’s main problems was always coming up with the cash for the big names and stiffing the young guys that were actually putting the work in.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 1, 2019 10:17:34 GMT -5
How is this even in dispute? They had backing by the Carter family and a TV deal with a major cable company who put them in prime time and reportedly contributed to some of the costs of signing major talent like Sting.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 1, 2019 11:17:16 GMT -5
We all knew that for a while money wasn't the issue. Just a phone book size list worth of poor management and business moves.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 1, 2019 11:22:29 GMT -5
TNA wasted more money than Raoul Duke and Dr Gonzo in a drug induced weekend.
TNA is a mutant of some kind never considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.”
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Post by bigbadbull on Mar 1, 2019 12:34:03 GMT -5
TNA wasted more money than Raoul Duke and Dr Gonzo in a drug induced weekend. TNA is a mutant of some kind never considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” TNA wasnt too weird to live since people did watch and wanted an alternative to the WWE. Bringing wrestlers like Angle and did help to legitimise the company but they had no other plan after bringing in big names.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 13:02:34 GMT -5
When has it ever been disputed they didn't have money? What the f*** is Jericho talking about?
They had the money but spent it recklessly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:38:44 GMT -5
When has it ever been disputed they didn't have money? What the f*** is Jericho talking about?
They had the money but spent it recklessly This could be his wiki bio since the Owens feud.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 1, 2019 14:55:16 GMT -5
TNA wasted more money than Raoul Duke and Dr Gonzo in a drug induced weekend. TNA is a mutant of some kind never considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” TNA wasnt too weird to live since people did watch and wanted an alternative to the WWE. Bringing wrestlers like Angle and did help to legitimise the company but they had no other plan after bringing in big names. This is pretty much it. Like once they signed a big name, they just acted like that all they had to do to draw more rating is. Hardly build them up or promoted the said name had signed to the max. They really based that they gain traction just by signing a name. They should made big money on PPVs had to build up money matches as I called them legit. Had Angle vs. Joe which did drew well but had they wanted until lets says Lockdown for the first match, how much more they made? Ticket sales and would likely been an even bigger buyrate than it got. Had AJ vs. RVD given time before there first meeting instead of out of the blue night after PPV match and title match to only build the "rematch" for PPV. Same with First time Angle and Joe faced Jeff Hardy. Instead of random free TV matches that didn't spike TV ratings.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 1, 2019 15:10:04 GMT -5
TNA wasted more money than Raoul Duke and Dr Gonzo in a drug induced weekend. TNA is a mutant of some kind never considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.” TNA wasnt too weird to live since people did watch and wanted an alternative to the WWE. Bringing wrestlers like Angle and did help to legitimise the company but they had no other plan after bringing in big names. Their first couple of shows they had a man dressed as a penis and a little guy jerking off in a trashcan. They were too weird to live and for some reason they still exist today.
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Post by bigbadbull on Mar 1, 2019 17:44:17 GMT -5
TNA wasnt too weird to live since people did watch and wanted an alternative to the WWE. Bringing wrestlers like Angle and did help to legitimise the company but they had no other plan after bringing in big names. Their first couple of shows they had a man dressed as a penis and a little guy jerking off in a trashcan. They were too weird to live and for some reason they still exist today. TNA around 2004-2008 but more specifically 2005 had some great wrestling, characters and moments. Just watching old episodes of Impact on Twitch reminded me why I was hooked. And as for the earlier episodes, can't defend that shit but you had Katie Vick and HLA on RAW around the same time. Trash has been a part of wrstling.
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