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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 17:45:15 GMT -5
Figured this needed a new thread but according to Fightful's review of Raw last night apparently backstage the company's hoping that Reigns can help Ambrose re-sign with the company so with that said, there's one final push from them to re-sign Ambrose. Also not long ago Reigns was at a signing and a fan asked about his opinion towards Ambrose leaving WWE. Reigns said "we're working on that" so he's clearly down.
If anyone can help Ambrose stay it might be Reigns and with his leverage Ambrose might be getting some major benefits.
EDIT: Just to clarify, they're not forcing Reigns to talk to Ambrose, they're just hoping that Reigns can be a peacemaker. Reigns seemed down for it when he was still out of action and you know how he is. Chances are Reigns will do what he can to make sure Ambrose is happy rather than trying to make him cave for the company. If Reigns has leverage to use in favor of Ambrose then that's a positive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 17:46:55 GMT -5
It’s so strange. It’s clear that they want him around and do see him a a huge asset for the company due to his title reigns and programs, but they just don’t get what Ambrose actually wants? It sounds more like he wants creative freedom or something other than just money or to hang out with his bros. Not even his relationship with Vince can help with what he wants it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 17:49:13 GMT -5
It’s so strange. It’s clear that they want him around and do see him a a huge asset for the company due to his title reigns and programs, but they just don’t get what Ambrose actually wants? It sounds more like he wants creative freedom or something other than just money or to hang out with his bros. It's funny because giving Ambrose creative freedom not only makes him happier it takes work off of creative given they have less to worry about. Something so small that can so simply be taken care of, they don't do it because Vince wants to be all hand's on. Vince is like Kanye West. Ambrose is like Nas. He didn't want Nasir to come out like it did. He's got his own vision.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 26, 2019 17:55:54 GMT -5
I wonder if Vince just can't grasp the idea it's about creative fulfillment. Like for as much as Vince is a perfectionist, I think it's so much more out of a need to control than it is any real creative drive to constantly obsess and perfect, which is why everything happens so haphazardly and suddenly rather than with strong planning and forethought; the show gets slapped together in ways that don't speak to creative pride at all, just whims and madness. Ambrose wants something bigger than Vince is willing to give because it's both out of his control and not something that comes into the picture for him on a creative level any longer.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 26, 2019 17:56:40 GMT -5
I dont think the issue is having Roman os not.
Guy is unhappy with creative, dont try to use his friend to convince him otherwise.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 26, 2019 17:57:54 GMT -5
What do they think would this achieve? If Dean wants to leave, let him leave.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 26, 2019 17:57:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Vince just can't grasp the idea it's about creative fulfillment. Like for as much as Vince is a perfectionist, I think it's so much more out of a need to control than it is any real creative drive to constantly obsess and perfect, which is why everything happens so haphazardly and suddenly rather than with strong planning and forethought; the show gets slapped together in ways that don't speak to creative pride at all, just whims and madness. Ambrose wants something bigger than Vince is willing to give because it's both out of his control and not something that comes into the picture for him on a creative level any longer. I will alkways remember of the "ambition" teste where Bryan ranked last
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 26, 2019 18:00:04 GMT -5
Roman: What do we have to do to make you stay?
Dean: Remember last night? The thing with Batista and Flair?
Roman: You want a big angle for a Wrestlemania match?
Dean: NO!
Roman: You want a match with Batista?
Dean: NO!
Roman: You want us to make a big deal about your birthday? What?
Dean: Remember when Batista pulled Flair out of that room? I want what happened in that room to happen to me?
Roman: You.....want to be beaten half to death.....?
Dean: YES! DAMN IT! THAT'S ALL I'VE EVER WANTED!
Roman: ........fine, I'll get some rope
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 18:02:04 GMT -5
Going to edit the OP but it's not like they're forcing Reigns to try and make Ambrose stay, they're hoping he can. Reigns seemed up for it before he knew he was returning back and Reigns has leverage. If Reigns can somehow make the brass give Ambrose what he wants then he'd stay but it's not as if they're telling Reigns to try and make Ambrose stay. Yall know how Reigns and Ambrose are, he wouldn't do that to Ambrose knowing why Ambrose feels that way. He'd be the peacemaker and do what he can to make sure Ambrose gets what he wants.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Feb 26, 2019 18:02:36 GMT -5
Ambrose continues to be incredibly prominently featured for a guy who is going to AEW. And who went off script a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by Perd on Feb 26, 2019 18:03:04 GMT -5
“We really want you to stay. Now go out and get kicked in the face by this heat vacuum.”
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Feb 26, 2019 18:03:39 GMT -5
Unless Ambrose gets exactly what he wants, then just let him goooooo.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 26, 2019 18:05:22 GMT -5
I dont think the issue is having Roman os not. Guy is unhappy with creative, dont try to use his friend to convince him otherwise. Didn’t the shield go up to Vince and say they didn’t want to lose to team Cena at no way out 2013? If Roman, dean and maybe even Seth go to Vince’s office and demand they give dean more creative freedom then I could see that happening. it’s not just because they are boys, but the whole shield thing I’m sure supplies them with a lot of money. Plus I think that Roman being back in general has given Ambrose high spirits.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 26, 2019 18:05:23 GMT -5
The dude wants to write his own promos and and probably have input on his own storylines. Just let him?
No? You’ll do it the way Vince imagines it or else?
That’s how AEW started, pal. If you’d have let Cody be Cody, he wouldn’t have left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 18:10:28 GMT -5
The dude wants to write his own promos and and probably have input on his own storylines. Just let him? No? You’ll do it the way Vince imagines it or else? That’s how AEW started, pal. If you’d have let Cody be Cody, he wouldn’t have left. Tbh, if they ever made an AEW film in the future it would be fire off the "I don't wanna be Stardust!!" "You'll be who I tell you to be!!!" scene they will surely have between Cody and Vince lmao. It didn't even happen that way but that would be FIRE.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 26, 2019 18:10:45 GMT -5
All I'm thinking is this seems like the Punk situation but with advanced notice.
It doesn't matter how much money he's making if he's bored and miserable.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Feb 26, 2019 18:13:01 GMT -5
The dude wants to write his own promos and and probably have input on his own storylines. Just let him? No? You’ll do it the way Vince imagines it or else? That’s how AEW started, pal. If you’d have let Cody be Cody, he wouldn’t have left. Tbh, if they ever made an AEW film in the future it would be fire off the "I don't wanna be Stardust!!" "You'll be who I tell you to be!!!" scene they will surely have between Cody and Vince lmao. It didn't even happen that way but that would be FIRE. ”DAMMIT PAL! YOU WILL WEAR PAINT OF AMBIGUOUS SEXUALITY AND POLKA DOTS AND LIKE IT!”
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Post by Dub H on Feb 26, 2019 18:16:24 GMT -5
All I'm thinking is this seems like the Punk situation but with advanced notice. It doesn't matter how much money he's making if he's bored and miserable. The guy married in a gas station,i'm sure he is not a big spender
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 26, 2019 18:33:37 GMT -5
The dude wants to write his own promos and and probably have input on his own storylines. Just let him? No? You’ll do it the way Vince imagines it or else? That’s how AEW started, pal. If you’d have let Cody be Cody, he wouldn’t have left. I think much like WCW overtaking WWE for long enough to get Vince into action, AEW being a potential threat isn't enough; AEW needs to be a real and active threat successfully doing something substantial and successful for Vince to change his ways. Vince has spent so long being able to get everything his way, where the only options are to play by his rules and leave, where leaving simply isn't all that attractive a possibility for most people. When the only options people have are to do what he wants or to do nothing, he's able to keep playing that game because the consequences are still fully in his control. The danger of something else happening throws a wrench in that and create a variable that he can't control as easily. We see it in the contract game now; they're trying to get people with soon-expiring contracts to sign early renewals to keep people under control before AEW can prove itself viable because contracts are simple enough and easy. Any substantive change like listening to people and letting them have creative freedom require a greater threat than "they'll be on someone else's TV" poses yet. It's the same way things played out against WCW; there were contract moves and negotiations from the beginning, even as WWE's share slowly declined, but only when WCW hit a boom period did the product begin to change and break out from the bad ideas holding it down.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 26, 2019 19:05:24 GMT -5
With all due respect to AEW advocates and Cody fans, to put it kindly, Dean will be a much bigger loss
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