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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 1, 2019 19:29:50 GMT -5
Speaking of being protected, has Rousey even taken a pin or submission during her entire WWE tenure? No. In fact her only loss of any kind was only just before the Rumble, when Banks tapped out Natalya in a tag match where Rousey was Natalya’s partner.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Mar 1, 2019 19:32:00 GMT -5
So to recap, Ronda is lashing out with wildly immature insults while Becky is retorting with clever and controlled jabs.
Am I up to date?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 1, 2019 19:35:30 GMT -5
Dude a solid 50% of the posts I've made on this board are decrying WWE's creative failings on a narrative level, you're preaching to the choir there. But Becky is made, and if you're taking any moment of weakness or adversity as an affront and go into panic mode it can't be that enjoyable a process. WWE is bad at this, but look at the big picture of what's happened and look at how strong a push Becky's actually received; this isn't Rusev getting added to the US title match at Mania just so he could take a pin. This is the real shit, and it's frustrating to a lot of people that some people aren't seeing just how strong and made Becky is. Either you can have faith and believe it's going to work out with her, or you can write off the whole thing and assume she's going nowhere, but a lot of people are trying to do both and it just doesn't add up. Haa. I really am preaching to the choir. I suppose my "counterpoint" is.. Braun Strowman. I'm just jaded man. The sky might not fall *today*, but recent history suggest that it will. Doesn't take long to go from made to goober. Braun is exactly why Becky needs to be vulnerable now, though. The "Braun is OP" thread is the cautionary tale I suggest reading all the way through because it's emblematic of exactly what needs to mitigate the issue now before it reaches the point it will. People said they needed to ease up on Braun just a little because he was just absolutely too much, and people complained that the claim was that they wanted to see Braun "bitchified". He kept being the super impossible overpowered monster with no weaknesses, the Kevin Owens feud happened and it pissed some people off even more because it was so bad and one-sided. Then they pulled Braun down from those heights way too hard way too quickly, and the steep drop killed him. You can't book someone as an absolute god unless you intend to keep them there and they never wanted to, just like inevitably Becky won't be on top forever. WWE needs to temper the issue and expectation now before it creates an end product nobody is happy with, and I think so far they have done really well on that. So many people decried the Asuka win as a portent of doom and so far it hasn't been, but it has grounded Becky in a waqy she needs to be grounded before it goes too far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:37:02 GMT -5
I hope Ronda just goes further and further off the rails untill she is tweeting about fighting Becky on a colononized mars in the year 4000 after being thawed from a volcano by robot Takashi Miike
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 1, 2019 19:54:22 GMT -5
Haa. I really am preaching to the choir. I suppose my "counterpoint" is.. Braun Strowman. I'm just jaded man. The sky might not fall *today*, but recent history suggest that it will. Doesn't take long to go from made to goober. Braun is exactly why Becky needs to be vulnerable now, though. The "Braun is OP" thread is the cautionary tale I suggest reading all the way through because it's emblematic of exactly what needs to mitigate the issue now before it reaches the point it will. People said they needed to ease up on Braun just a little because he was just absolutely too much, and people complained that the claim was that they wanted to see Braun "bitchified". He kept being the super impossible overpowered monster with no weaknesses, the Kevin Owens feud happened and it pissed some people off even more because it was so bad and one-sided. Then they pulled Braun down from those heights way too hard way too quickly, and the steep drop killed him. You can't book someone as an absolute god unless you intend to keep them there and they never wanted to, just like inevitably Becky won't be on top forever. WWE needs to temper the issue and expectation now before it creates an end product nobody is happy with, and I think so far they have done really well on that. So many people decried the Asuka win as a portent of doom and so far it hasn't been, but it has grounded Becky in a waqy she needs to be grounded before it goes too far.
For people that need a refresher on the Braun is OP thread
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2019 19:59:12 GMT -5
So to recap, Ronda is lashing out with wildly immature insults while Becky is retorting with clever and controlled jabs. Am I up to date? Ronda also went Russo,but besides that,yeh.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 1, 2019 20:00:03 GMT -5
I like this feud but tbh I don’t know that they can trust Ronda not to take it too far. At some point she is legit going to snap. Then again maybe I’m just being worked into a shoot (brother!) Goodnight RONDAMANIACS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and you work yourself into a shoot, marks. RR ftfy
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Post by schma on Mar 1, 2019 20:37:05 GMT -5
A lot of people seem to be forgetting that Becky spent years making everyone else look good because she's had a few hot months. Yeah, she's getting a rocket push right now but people are talking like she's never done anything for anyone. She did her time helping others and making them look great and what did it get her? A losing streak and relative obscurity as the 3rd face.
I get that she's Billy Gunned Ronda more than once on Twitter but do you really think they went to the rock at the height of his run while he was dunking on everyone and said, make sure you say something nice about the person after you talk about sticking your foot in their ass?
I get that some are tired of Becky owning everyone but I don't really consider it her fault that she's stepped up her game and they havent. Asuka played it smart and showed how to deflect it.
I just have a hard time imagining people complaining in the midst of stone cold's rise that he was being pushed too hard, was kicking too much ass or was owning people too much on the mic.
Becky's rise isn't done yet and she spent years toiling as everyone's sidekick or punching bag so I don't begrudge her kicking so much ass these past few months. Itll make it that much more interesting when someone takes her down (and they don't ignore it like with asuka).
I know this sounds like I'm super obsessed with her and I will admit I'm a big fan. I also know she isn't perfect. I just think a lit is being laid unjustly at Becky's feet.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 1, 2019 20:51:08 GMT -5
I wonder,what made Becky be an example of "grab the grass ring" and everyone else that got really over not,in Vince's eyes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 20:54:29 GMT -5
I wonder,what made Becky be an example of "grab the grass ring" and everyone else that got really over not,in Vince's eyes? I can see him being really impressed with her finishing that segment with her broken nose on the go home Raw for Survivor Series. Anyway, if you'd told me at the beginning of 2017 that Becky would be in the spot she's in now I'd be f***ing thrilled. And I'm enjoying the hell out of it, hiccups in this feud and all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:11:44 GMT -5
I wonder,what made Becky be an example of "grab the grass ring" and everyone else that got really over not,in Vince's eyes? Probably because Vince isn’t nearly as hardline when it comes to the women since they’re just now finally giving them a chance.
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Post by schma on Mar 1, 2019 21:22:00 GMT -5
I will add a couple more things now that I'm not on my phone. Becky is going up against Ronda Rousey who currently has zero singles losses. Zero since she debuted a year ago. She has almost no tag losses and I think the ones she did lose it was always Natalya taking the pin. It makes sense that you want someone at the top of their game with few losses to compare to her, which is what you have in Becky.
I've also seen a lot of well she lost to Asuka but it doesn't count because they did nothing with it. I will say that is on the WWE. Asuka beat the hottest star in the promotion clean and they took her off tv for three weeks and then had her job to Mandy. That booking is just insane. Hell, they could have had Becky come out, admit Asuka beat her, insist that it won't happen the next time they meet and then they go their separate ways. Becky would lose nothing and Asuka wouldn't have freezers complaining because she's so cold.
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Post by brown bricks on Mar 1, 2019 21:40:16 GMT -5
I’ve somehow missed all of this and just caught up. Good lord. Have Becky Lynch beat this lunatic clean as a sheet and let her go away. Can we start a change.org petition to get this to happen?
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Post by masterthought on Mar 1, 2019 21:40:44 GMT -5
My God Ronda is bad at this. She actually pulled the Becky jig dancing in her first match card from 5 years ago She's grasping at straws right now. What's next? Posting Becky botching? Posting a 19 year old Becky doing that lingerie shoot? Is Ronda trying to get booed? Poor Charlotte no one even cares that she's in the match anymore. It's all Ronda vs Becky now
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 1, 2019 21:47:00 GMT -5
My God Ronda is bad at this. She actually pulled the Becky jig dancing in her first match card from 5 years ago She's grasping at straws right now. What's next? Posting Becky botching? Posting a 19 year old Becky doing that lingerie shoot? Is Ronda trying to get booed? Poor Charlotte no one even cares that she's in the match anymore. It's all Ronda vs Becky now It's better than "YOU'RE LUCKY THIS IS FAKE" at least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:47:43 GMT -5
I don't mind Ronda bringing up Becky's ridiculous NXT debut, even though everyone's seen it. She set the bar really low for herself, but might be one of her better attempts. I do feel like Ronda could come up with something that's actually really good, but people are going to shit on it anyway because of how many times she's embarrassed herself. lol
If they get back to talking about beating the (living) shit out of each other, we'll be fine.
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Post by brown bricks on Mar 1, 2019 21:47:55 GMT -5
My God Ronda is bad at this. She actually pulled the Becky jig dancing in her first match card from 5 years ago She's grasping at straws right now. What's next? Posting Becky botching? Posting a 19 year old Becky doing that lingerie shoot? Is Ronda trying to get booed? Poor Charlotte no one even cares that she's in the match anymore. It's all Ronda vs Becky now It should’ve been all Ronda vs Becky from the beginning, in my opinion. Charlotte has no business being in this match at all. She’s likely only there so Becky can pin/submit her without beating Rousey. It’s ridiculous.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 1, 2019 22:28:13 GMT -5
I will add a couple more things now that I'm not on my phone. Becky is going up against Ronda Rousey who currently has zero singles losses. Zero since she debuted a year ago. She has almost no tag losses and I think the ones she did lose it was always Natalya taking the pin. It makes sense that you want someone at the top of their game with few losses to compare to her, which is what you have in Becky. I've also seen a lot of well she lost to Asuka but it doesn't count because they did nothing with it. I will say that is on the WWE. Asuka beat the hottest star in the promotion clean and they took her off tv for three weeks and then had her job to Mandy. That booking is just insane. Hell, they could have had Becky come out, admit Asuka beat her, insist that it won't happen the next time they meet and then they go their separate ways. Becky would lose nothing and Asuka wouldn't have freezers complaining because she's so cold. The most telling moment of their priorities for me was that Asuka hype video that aired on SDL a couple of weeks after the Rumble. In that match they have the biggest win of Asuka's WWE career, Becky tapping clean, and what do they do? They completely leave it out of the video and act like it never happened. That's how much WWE is protecting Becky now.
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 1, 2019 22:43:07 GMT -5
WWE/Ronda are working the hardcore fans. It’s reported Heyman is the one putting together a lot of Ronda’s segments and her Twitter responses. He seems to be into the breaking of the 4th wall lately, going by the Lesnar story arc from last year. This is all so that Ronda is more of a heel in front of the Mania crowd, which is a group more likely to be following this Twitter war and getting upset by it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 22:45:40 GMT -5
WWE/Ronda are working the hardcore fans. It’s reported Heyman is the one putting together a lot of Ronda’s segments and her Twitter responses. He seems to be into the breaking of the 4th wall lately, going by the Lesnar story arc from last year. This is all so that Ronda is more of a heel in front of the Mania crowd, which is a group more likely to be following this Twitter war and getting upset by it. If true that’s pretty dumb, because she was definitely going to get booed right the hell out of there anyways.
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