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Post by Spider2024 on Mar 8, 2019 20:32:43 GMT -5
You know, oddly enough, this whole situation kind of makes me feel bad for Jessamyn Duke and Marina Shafir. Those two were specifically hired for one reason: Horsewomen vs. Horsewomen. Rousey, Baszler, Duke and Shafir vs. Becky, Charlotte, Sasha and Bayley. Now, Baszler is set; she already had 2-3 years of pro wrestling experience under her belt before the Mae Young Classic, and she clearly "gets" wrestling. But Duke and Shafir were put on NXT TV too quickly, so Baszler could have her goons. They're not nearly good enough in the ring yet to justify their push, and definitely not main roster material. The one thing that guaranteed them an automatic spot on the main roster was the eventual Horsewomen vs. Horsewomen match. But now, Ronda's lost her G-D mind, and it's apparent that after Wrestlemania, she's not coming back for a long time, if ever, and the rest of the roster likely doesn't want her back. So the Horsewomen match, and WWE's main reason for keeping the two of them around, is quickly fading into the distance, and they may not have enough time to get better in the ring before WWE decides to cut their losses and say "hey, Ronda's gone, and the Horsewomen match isn't happening, so we really don't need you anymore. Future endeavors, blah, blah, blah, hit the bricks". In short, Ronda may have not only screwed her career, but her friends' careers as well. Although I almost wonder if Shafir (who is married to fellow superstar Roderick Strong) would have a slightly better chance of staying around should the day come where J&M Security become expendable. Or if that wouldn't make any difference and the two would still be in the same boat. Also, this is a bit of a non-sequitur, but since you mentioned the MYC tournament... I now want to see Jessamyn Duke vs Marina Shafir in round 1 of Mae Young Classic #3.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Mar 8, 2019 20:49:32 GMT -5
I'll give a damn gold star to anyone who photoshops a "if they mated" headshot composite of those two pictures together. I'm just way too lazy at the moment, maybe I'll clean it up later with my own toolset... Or even... I swear this guy looks familiar... It's the Wrestling with Regret guy
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Post by Spider2024 on Mar 8, 2019 21:03:31 GMT -5
I'm just way too lazy at the moment, maybe I'll clean it up later with my own toolset... Or even... I swear this guy looks familiar... It's the Wrestling with Regret guy
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 8, 2019 21:17:10 GMT -5
It's the Wrestling with Regret guy "This Mirror Match can suck my balls!"
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Mar 8, 2019 21:21:55 GMT -5
"This Mirror Match can suck my balls!" Wow, it is only now that I realize how similar James Rolfe and Brian Zane look.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Mar 8, 2019 21:24:37 GMT -5
I love how people are hating Ronda for this, as if she's shooting lmao It's stupid, yes, but it's WWE's stupidity, not hers.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 9, 2019 0:22:09 GMT -5
The fans are VERY demanding-hell, some of them have already turned on Becky due to how long the story is taking, and as soon as she gets the belt, they’ll be ready for her to drop it to someone else.
It’s like they’re “rebooting” old male storylines with women, and for a sport that was exposed years ago, people are buying into this as it’s legit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 0:38:24 GMT -5
I love how people are hating Ronda for this, as if she's shooting lmao It's stupid, yes, but it's WWE's stupidity, not hers. Fine, if I'm a mark being worked, great job on WWE's part for basically saying "You think the shit we make is real? Lulz." However, the WWE doesn't have the creative ability to let anyone sound like themselves when they follow the script, and that tweet just reeks of Ronda's mean-girl real life attitude that she had in the UFC. For what my 2 cents are worth, I'm betting someone told her to be "real" in her responses, and since Ronda has all the awareness of a potato, she turned it into "THIS SHIT ISN'T REAL ANYWAY I COULD BEAT REBECCA QUIN IN A REAL FIGHT BECAUSE I'M A BADASS" Either way, it's absolutely dumb as hell. WWE would be much better suited if they'd just fully embrace it's scripted, have "character" twitter accounts and "real person" twitter accounts, and stop with all this "working the audience" nonsense, because at the end of the day there's no payoff to this that doesn't look stupid. LU is the most out-there wrestling organization to ever get a TV deal, but they embrace that they're fictional just like any other scripted show in existence, and they're all the better for it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 9, 2019 4:08:36 GMT -5
I love how people are hating Ronda for this, as if she's shooting lmao It's stupid, yes, but it's WWE's stupidity, not hers. If that's the case, she should be mad at them. Cuz they're making her look dopey as hell. It's brought up a couple times by others in the thread that 'This is what they're goin for, you're reacting they want you to' and the like. Is it? Maybe some % of people are more likely to tune in and watch due to this approach. But there are a whole lot of us over here goin--"wow, that's dumb as shit." I can't think that's the reaction they'd like to see---lapsed fans havin one more reason to go: "It was the right decision to tune out."
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Post by schma on Mar 9, 2019 4:10:28 GMT -5
“I eat pieces of shit like you @beckylynchwwe for breakfast” “You eat pieces of shit for breakfast @rondarousey?” Ronda: "Your ass, my face, bitch! I mean my face, your ass!" Ronda: Yeah right and Grizzly Adams had a beard! Charlotte: Grilly Adams did have a beard.
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Post by benstudd on Mar 9, 2019 6:12:08 GMT -5
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Of course Russo is back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 6:24:15 GMT -5
I love how people are hating Ronda for this, as if she's shooting lmao It's stupid, yes, but it's WWE's stupidity, not hers. They both deserve the blame. She obviously has a very long leash as far as what she can say, and she used that freedom to take a steaming shit all over the entire pro wrestling industry because her fragile ego can't handle not being universally praised. And since Vince likes to deify real fighters, there probably won't be any consequences. "Come back anytime to our fake bullshit sideshow Ronda!".
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 9, 2019 7:33:53 GMT -5
I love how people are hating Ronda for this, as if she's shooting lmao It's stupid, yes, but it's WWE's stupidity, not hers. Yeah, they told her to start doing the "this shit is all fake" stuff, but that bizarre, rambling rant about people not really being from LA and not really caring about the Lakers and shit like that? I doubt that line was scripted, since it wasn't even remotely relevant. That felt more like her going Twilight Zone for no discernable reason.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 9:32:10 GMT -5
I personally find the "everything else" just isn't really that important. I have no trouble believing Ronda is losing her mind just because of the way she is, but I could also buy into this being a controlled thing because it's wrestling. I just find the emphasis on this Twitter stuff pointless either way, either we're getting worked, they're working themselves, I just don't pay much mind to it because it's all noise. The TV product is the thing that tells us what's really happening. I just find it weird that people are dwelling on Twitter shit as if that has much to do with TV. The TV feud isn't really good either but it's about on par with their usual fare. Not a disaster but it's not exceptional in any way. Ronda going on a tear on social media isn't necessarily a bad thing, her getting everyone all stirred up can work in their favor if they work with it. I agree that wrestling stories shouldn't have to be told this way, but I dunno I'm no booker, I can see why one would fancy taking steps like this to stir up some heated emotions. For me I'm willing to wait till all is said and done before I make much a fuss about it now, I just can't declare this thing dead in the water based on Twitter garbage. It's not what it could've been but what is in WWE? You find that everything else that isn't the actual match not important? That includes the feuding before the event, the promos, the match build, all of that stuff? That's what I'm talking about when I say the other stuff. The "other stuff" isn't just social media. It's promos, it's the actual feuding elements before the match, it's the interactions before the match, it's everything surrounding the match itself and those things have Ronda shitting the bed in it.
You can say that you don't get why people are bringing up the social media stuff but the reality is today's generation is on social media so it's part of our lives and in turn they bring this type of entertainment to social media. It's no different than musicians moving from promoting their albums through commercials to promoting them on social media. When the fans use social media to where it impacts their life and they see this feud on social media? That's just as effective as a real-life promo given the company's wanting these superstars to use social media any way possible.
I get why you're saying that you won't make a fuss about it but not everybody thinks that way. That's why people are upset with what Ronda said in the first place.
As far as on screen stuff goes, she's certainly weird on promos but she was doing fine until this Becky Lynch feud got serious. Part of that is because she is not great at it, but even if she was, Lynch is so over with live crowds that just about anyone would look like a shithead when put next to her as a competitive babyface, and even then they're currently in the process of navigating around that with the heel turn. Ronda's been around for a while now, if she was that useless as a television performer, people wouldn't have wanted the singles match in the first place. Like all wrestlers she has her strengths and her weaknesses but her strengths compensated enough to where people believed she and Becky should be main eventing Wrestlemania. I'm admittedly cantankerous when it comes to social media, in wrestling or otherwise, so for the most part I try to stay out of people's hair with this stuff because I know I'm out of touch on this. I'm just surprised in this instance that this has become such a dealbreaker for people. WWE wrestlers cut great promos on the internet all the time but no one really thinks much about it because we all know what happens online barely counts. Ronda and Becky have been goofing off on Twitter for a long time, for a short while people loved it, then it got old, but throughout it all it only mattered so much because WWE never paid any mind to it on TV. I don't see why this is different. The most we're gonna get out of this is Michael Cole going "Ronda's been vocal on social media" or maybe a clipped up version of it so it isn't so kayfabe breaking. The weight people give this stuff is surprising to me because when all is said and done, if this angle fails it's gonna be because of what they're doing on TV (Becky loses at Mania, the next few weeks of build are so atrocious it kills audiences flat, the match sucks), Twitter will be a footnote in that discussion. I don't blame anyone for finding it dumb but as of right now it seems more of an independent dumb thing until we see what WWE does with it. Not trying to tell people what to think or feel but some people seem really angry about this promo and I just question if it's that big a deal?
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 9, 2019 9:32:43 GMT -5
Ronda: "Your ass, my face, bitch! I mean my face, your ass!" Ronda: Yeah right and Grizzly Adams had a beard! Charlotte: Grilly Adams did have a beard.
[The crowd chants for her opponents.] Ronda; Go home people, go back to your shanties!
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 9, 2019 10:40:50 GMT -5
Rousey saying these things illustrates the whole problem with her run thus far, namely that she could obviously destroy pretty much all of the women in WWE in 1 minute. But other than the brief mini feud with the Riott Squad she is out there going 50/50 and selling for a bunch of chicks that she has zero business selling for. Now she's out there ranting about how she could destroy everyone and that WWE is a joke, so it makes her entire run seem lame.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 9, 2019 11:01:02 GMT -5
Rousey saying these things illustrates the whole problem with her run thus far, namely that she could obviously destroy pretty much all of the women in WWE in 1 minute. But other than the brief mini feud with the Riott Squad she is out there going 50/50 and selling for a bunch of chicks that she has zero business selling for. Now she's out there ranting about how she could destroy everyone and that WWE is a joke, so it makes her entire run seem lame. I think the fact that she HASN’T been squashing everyone else in a minute (for the most part) has been one of the best parts of her run, because the fact is that for her all MMA experience, she was still a rookie at pro wrestling and all the different quirks that come with it, like no strict weight divisions, tag team matches or people that willfully cheat. I’m glad that they told that story instead of just having her killing everyone from match one. Yeah, it’d be realistic, but we’d have all f***ing hated it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 9, 2019 11:17:56 GMT -5
Rousey saying these things illustrates the whole problem with her run thus far, namely that she could obviously destroy pretty much all of the women in WWE in 1 minute. But other than the brief mini feud with the Riott Squad she is out there going 50/50 and selling for a bunch of chicks that she has zero business selling for. Now she's out there ranting about how she could destroy everyone and that WWE is a joke, so it makes her entire run seem lame. It's not helped by the fact that her as this mega destroyer of every woman/baddest woman on the planet was obliterated years ago in her last two fights. Sure, she could best every woman there in an actual fight but the aura of her as this invincible monster hasn't existed since 2016 . Granted it's the same thing with Brock really there I suppose. It's just an odd way to book things really cuz they're totally different skill sets. Say they brought Big Ern, Ernie McCracken from his pro bowling career (and he wasn't fictional), he may be on a gravy train with biscuit wheels at the bowling alley; but he's gettin Munsoned in the middle of nowhere in the wrestling ring cuz it's a different endeavor entirely.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 9, 2019 11:24:42 GMT -5
"This Mirror Match can suck my balls!" "We're gonna take you back to the past" should be In the place of "Then, Now, Forever."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 11:26:12 GMT -5
You find that everything else that isn't the actual match not important? That includes the feuding before the event, the promos, the match build, all of that stuff? That's what I'm talking about when I say the other stuff. The "other stuff" isn't just social media. It's promos, it's the actual feuding elements before the match, it's the interactions before the match, it's everything surrounding the match itself and those things have Ronda shitting the bed in it.
You can say that you don't get why people are bringing up the social media stuff but the reality is today's generation is on social media so it's part of our lives and in turn they bring this type of entertainment to social media. It's no different than musicians moving from promoting their albums through commercials to promoting them on social media. When the fans use social media to where it impacts their life and they see this feud on social media? That's just as effective as a real-life promo given the company's wanting these superstars to use social media any way possible.
I get why you're saying that you won't make a fuss about it but not everybody thinks that way. That's why people are upset with what Ronda said in the first place.
As far as on screen stuff goes, she's certainly weird on promos but she was doing fine until this Becky Lynch feud got serious. Part of that is because she is not great at it, but even if she was, Lynch is so over with live crowds that just about anyone would look like a shithead when put next to her as a competitive babyface, and even then they're currently in the process of navigating around that with the heel turn. Ronda's been around for a while now, if she was that useless as a television performer, people wouldn't have wanted the singles match in the first place. Like all wrestlers she has her strengths and her weaknesses but her strengths compensated enough to where people believed she and Becky should be main eventing Wrestlemania. I'm admittedly cantankerous when it comes to social media, in wrestling or otherwise, so for the most part I try to stay out of people's hair with this stuff because I know I'm out of touch on this. I'm just surprised in this instance that this has become such a dealbreaker for people. WWE wrestlers cut great promos on the internet all the time but no one really thinks much about it because we all know what happens online barely counts. Ronda and Becky have been goofing off on Twitter for a long time, for a short while people loved it, then it got old, but throughout it all it only mattered so much because WWE never paid any mind to it on TV. I don't see why this is different. The most we're gonna get out of this is Michael Cole going "Ronda's been vocal on social media" or maybe a clipped up version of it so it isn't so kayfabe breaking. The weight people give this stuff is surprising to me because when all is said and done, if this angle fails it's gonna be because of what they're doing on TV (Becky loses at Mania, the next few weeks of build are so atrocious it kills audiences flat, the match sucks), Twitter will be a footnote in that discussion. I don't blame anyone for finding it dumb but as of right now it seems more of an independent dumb thing until we see what WWE does with it. Not trying to tell people what to think or feel but some people seem really angry about this promo and I just question if it's that big a deal? I get your point; you feel like we, as a collective, are making a mountain out of a molehill. The issue here is that you have a person who was given carte blanche to do pretty much whatever because "here's this famous person from this legitimate industry coming to our company", which is not unlike what happened after when Brock Lesnar came back after being UFC Heavyweight Champion (let's remember that, for a few years after Lesnar left in 2004, WWE did go out of their way to make Lesnar come off as a flash-in-the-pan guy who couldn't cut the mustard like the Ultimate Warrior), who already has baggage to begin with, and reacts to these situations inappropriately by ranting online about how everyone else sucks, and this line of work is stupid, and that fans are stupid for showing interest in this. That's not trying to get heel heat. That's an unstable person responding to adversity poorly, and ultimately, is hurting the bottom line. If one of the participants of what is most likely going to be the first women's main event of WrestleMania is saying "This is stupid!" and is discussing about how she's going to not follow along with the plans, what's to say that's going to want other people to want to work with her in the future in the event the project involves her doing something that conflicts with her ego? If you noticed a trend, virtually everything Ronda has done, post-UFC, has been projects about how great Ronda is, or involves playing as characters that don't show weakness, and to Ronda, getting booed in WWE was a sign of weakness. As much as she likes putting on this "alpha bitch" mentality, the woman's a skinflint and due to WWE wanting social media to be used more than ever to push stories (because they can't write stories to save their lives), people will notice this more. And there's the reason why it's more of a bigger deal; WWE wants people to pay attention to this crap due to it being on social media. Unfortunately for them, it's to their detriment.
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