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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 18:27:23 GMT -5
what he basically said is "i think Roman said the wrong treatment", this title is really clickbait.
he said something he was wrong about, a stupid take to make,specially without research.
It feels like something that shouldnt have been said at all or made a fuss about at all.
Stupid ?Yeh.piece of garbage and scum?Overreact .
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 9, 2019 18:28:42 GMT -5
The quote is Meltzer blabbing about whether Roman's treatment was oral chemotherapy by definition or not. Meltzer may be wrong, considering his lack of proximity to the source, he's probably wrong. But he isn't questioning whether Roman's cancer wasn't real. He isn't dismissing the severity of the issue. Explain what exactly is the issue that makes Meltzer a complete scumbag here. I don't see why this is hard to understand.
Meltzer was questioning the validity of Roman's treatment. It doesn't matter if he's wondering if Roman really had cancer, if he's wondering how damaged Roman is, it doesn't matter if he's wondering when Roman found out the news, the fact is that Roman's a cancer survivor and he opened up to the world to speak about something so delicate and Meltzer had the audacity to wonder if everything he was saying was accurate whether it's related to the treatment, cancer or anything else related to Roman. That's f***ed up no matter how you cut it. Meltzer straight up admits he f***ed up so with that said, that's the end of that. When the guy you're defending admits they f***ed up, there's nothing more that needs to be said about defending them.
As for Ryan Satin...so? So just because he's done some bad things in the past does that mean we can't use his actual audio clip from the person who this thread is about? I put Satin's tweet in the OP since there's an audio clip, I originally saw this without Satin but when there's a clip involved? I'll add the clip. We later on got an actual transcript of it written by someone who used the clip which Satin provided. At this point it sounds like you're saying "well because Ryan Satin said something this is blowing up" when the reality is nah, the guy had a clip which we're using.
A big point that I'm seeing is you're trying to take the heat off of Meltzer's f***up towards a cancer survivor and are trying to put it on someone else who wasn't posting negatively on a cancer survivor due to how you feel about the person who posted the clip. Nah, you need to backtrack on that. This isn't a Ryan Satin thread, this is a thread about Meltzer's comments which he admitted he f***ed up and it needs to stay that way because at the end of the day Satin wasn't the guy who was wondering about Roman's cancer validity.
You don't get upset at the messenger, you get at the person who wrote the message.
I've said nothing to defend him, he hasn't said anything worth "defending". His comments were just him talking out of his ass debating whether Roman's oral treatment fell under the umbrella of chemotherapy (Roman even draws a comparison between the oral chemo he took and what Roman called "real" chemo in terms of side effects). Which he acknowledged and apologised for. So with that in mind, is the reaction here of "f*** Meltzer etc" not a little overblown? And I dont know or care who Ryan Satin is so that all means nothing to me.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 9, 2019 18:28:50 GMT -5
I actually hate to side with Meltz on this one, but I am a tad concerned. What Roman has is no joke and it can take years to treat effectively. They seem to have rushed it in less than six months.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Mar 9, 2019 18:29:50 GMT -5
Another hit from the guy who who compared “mark” to the n word lol Noooooooooo. Really? Lol “Mark and the n word both derogatory. Both demeaning terms. Inside wrestling, mark and n word both used similarly in that era” I’m sure somebody may want to “well actually it’s not what he’s saying” me on that but not listening lol This isn’t his first weird take on the Roman issue either, he was focusing heavily on the ratings aspect and sort of questioning the decision for Roman to announce the way he did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:29:54 GMT -5
His Peyton comments were nothing. This.. Dang. It would be a PR disaster not seen since Benoit if it got out that they faked Roman's cancer. Like, it would be an absolute atom bomb and you'd think Meltzer of all people would realize that. He apologized though, and that's all you can ask for. Meltzer said nothing about Reigns faking cancer. In fact, since Reigns announced his cancer, Meltzer has been saying it's obviously legit. What Dave is doing here is quibble about whether or not the treatment Roman had for his cancer was technically chemotherapy. Which, like, who gives a shit? It's like if he were to speculate that you took Advil when you thought you took Tylenol to deal with a headache. Oh shit. I really misread. Redacted.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 9, 2019 18:32:46 GMT -5
So he’s saying that he’s not sure if the pill Roman is taking is like oral chemo, but doesn’t want to say it isn’t that either because Roman didn’t give the name of it. So why talk about it at all then?The most important question to come from this whole thing. He was going to get one of two reactions. Either "how dare you question the validity of a cancer survivors testimony, you're smearing his story, f*** you" or "dude, what point are you even trying to make here? Just stop talking". I know it's the internet and we're all experts on everything but nobody was going to launch a major investigation into the effects of oral chemotherapy against other oral cancer treatments on the back of the opinion of a f***ing pro wrestling journalist.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 18:33:20 GMT -5
Meltzer said nothing about Reigns faking cancer. In fact, since Reigns announced his cancer, Meltzer has been saying it's obviously legit. What Dave is doing here is quibble about whether or not the treatment Roman had for his cancer was technically chemotherapy. Which, like, who gives a shit? It's like if he were to speculate that you took Advil when you thought you took Tylenol to deal with a headache. Oh shit. I really misread. Redacted. This is why misleading titles and news about meltzer saying something is messy. It is really easy to take his mumbled words and make it into something worse
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Post by crowley1986 on Mar 9, 2019 18:33:59 GMT -5
Another hit from the guy who who compared “mark” to the n word lol Satin said that??? jesus
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Mar 9, 2019 18:34:32 GMT -5
As someone with a now deceased parent who had CMML, I am a bit rankled with how WWE handled this, both withholding information and promoting the implied idea that cancer survivors are tougher than those who pass. Dave got bogged down in the semantics of it because that’s how his mind works; Lance Storm articulated similar concerns a lot better when he talked about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:36:12 GMT -5
I've said nothing to defend him, he hasn't said anything worth "defending". His comments were just him talking out of his ass debating whether Roman's oral treatment fell under the umbrella of chemotherapy (Roman even draws a comparison between the oral chemo he took and what Roman called "real" chemo in terms of side effects). Which he acknowledged and apologised for. So with that in mind, is the reaction here of "f*** Meltzer etc" not a little overblown? And I dont know or care who Ryan Satin is so that all means nothing to me. Dawg, you're defending him in your post whether you think you're doing it or not. When you say "explain what exactly is the issue that makes Meltzer a complete scumbag here" at that point you're asking for proof that he's a scumbag. It doesn't matter if he's truly a scumbag, it doesn't matter what kind of person he is, you're solidifying your position regarding this and the biggest thing here that proves that is you're spending more time on people's reactions to his comments...compared to his actual comments, the fact he admitted he messed up and the fact that Reigns is a cancer survivor and the response from Nia and other responses. At that point you're showing us whether you side here because there's more commentary on "hey should we really do this" compared to "man what he said is screwed up, he needs to sto-"
You're saying "this is overblown" but that tells me one thing, you're spending more time on people's comments towards Meltzer rather than the fact that he said something that's just false. It doesn't matter if they're overblown because the reaction to others is not, I can't stress this enough, comparable to the fact he was questioning if a cancer survivor was inaccurate with what they were saying. People's reactions to Meltzer's comments do not override he was questioning if a cancer survivor was telling the truth towards everything they were saying.
You're spending more time on who delivered the message rather than if the message was a bad message.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 9, 2019 18:37:49 GMT -5
It's a pretty major invasion of Roman's privacy to be speculating about the type of medication he was taking or how he refers to his treatment, no matter what particular nuances of the matter Meltzer was stumbling over.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 18:38:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sorry, this is a non-story. Dave rambled like an idiot and got caught up in semantics. This happens all the time, just usually it's not about cancer treatments.
Was he stupid to even get into those semantics? Yeah. And he does it all the time.
Is he a scumbag? Not really? That's a weird reach.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 18:38:07 GMT -5
I've said nothing to defend him, he hasn't said anything worth "defending". His comments were just him talking out of his ass debating whether Roman's oral treatment fell under the umbrella of chemotherapy (Roman even draws a comparison between the oral chemo he took and what Roman called "real" chemo in terms of side effects). Which he acknowledged and apologised for. So with that in mind, is the reaction here of "f*** Meltzer etc" not a little overblown? And I dont know or care who Ryan Satin is so that all means nothing to me. Dawg, you're defending him in your post whether you think you're doing it or not. When you say "explain what exactly is the issue that makes Meltzer a complete scumbag here" at that point you're asking for proof that he's a scumbag. It doesn't matter if he's truly a scumbag, it doesn't matter what kind of person he is, you're solidifying your position regarding this and the biggest thing here that proves that is you're spending more time on people's reactions to his comments...compared to his actual comments, the fact he admitted he messed up and the fact that Reigns is a cancer survivor and the response from Nia and other responses. At that point you're showing us whether you side here because there's more commentary on "hey should we really do this" compared to "man what he said is screwed up, he needs to sto-"
You're saying "this is overblown" but that tells me one thing, you're spending more time on people's comments towards Meltzer rather than the fact that he said something that's just false. It doesn't matter if they're overblown because the reaction to others is not, I can't stress this enough, comparable to the fact he was questioning if a cancer survivor was inaccurate with what they were saying.
You're spending more time on who delivered the message rather than if the message was a bad message.
Because there is not much to spend on meltzer.He said something stupid in the internet and apoligized,took it back. There is no big story there,he was stupid and thats pretty much it. The reactions are much more of a story.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 9, 2019 18:39:09 GMT -5
I've said nothing to defend him, he hasn't said anything worth "defending". His comments were just him talking out of his ass debating whether Roman's oral treatment fell under the umbrella of chemotherapy (Roman even draws a comparison between the oral chemo he took and what Roman called "real" chemo in terms of side effects). Which he acknowledged and apologised for. So with that in mind, is the reaction here of "f*** Meltzer etc" not a little overblown? And I dont know or care who Ryan Satin is so that all means nothing to me. Dawg, you're defending him in your post whether you think you're doing it or not. When you say "explain what exactly is the issue that makes Meltzer a complete scumbag here" at that point you're asking for proof that he's a scumbag. It doesn't matter if he's truly a scumbag, it doesn't matter what kind of person he is, you're solidifying your position regarding this and the biggest thing here that proves that is you're spending more time on people's reactions to his comments...compared to his actual comments, the fact he admitted he messed up and the fact that Reigns is a cancer survivor and the response from Nia and other responses. At that point you're showing us whether you side here because there's more commentary on "hey should we really do this" compared to "man what he said is screwed up, he needs to sto-"
You're saying "this is overblown" but that tells me one thing, you're spending more time on people's comments towards Meltzer rather than the fact that he said something that's just false. It doesn't matter if they're overblown because the reaction to others is not, I can't stress this enough, comparable to the fact he was questioning if a cancer survivor was inaccurate with what they were saying.
You're spending more time on who delivered the message rather than if the message was a bad message.
Ok bro.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 18:39:30 GMT -5
It's a pretty major invasion of Roman's privacy to be speculating about the type of medication he was taking or how he refers to his treatment, no matter what particular nuances of the matter Meltzer was stumbling over. This is really off topic,not argumenting for the main discussion(because I think meltzer would have said it regardless):Honestly does it still counts as a privacy when WWE plasters his cancer battle all over a international show?I feel like the moment he uses it to push stories and merchs it stops being a private matter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:42:09 GMT -5
Because there is not much to spend on meltzer.He said something stupid in the internet and apoligized,took it back. There is no big story there,he was stupid and thats pretty much it. The reactions are much more of a story.You're saying people's reactions to Meltzer are more of a story compared to the fact he was wondering if a cancer survivor was telling 100% truth in regards to everything related to their cancer?
God bless you.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 18:43:28 GMT -5
Because there is not much to spend on meltzer.He said something stupid in the internet and apoligized,took it back. There is no big story there,he was stupid and thats pretty much it. The reactions are much more of a story.You're saying people's reactions to Meltzer are more of a story compared to the fact he was wondering if a cancer survivor was telling 100% truth in regards to everything related to their cancer?
God bless you. He just said he thought Roman was wrong, he never called him a lier.People are allowed to be wrong and doubt people are right,you just dont gotta be stupid over it.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 18:44:25 GMT -5
Because there is not much to spend on meltzer.He said something stupid in the internet and apoligized,took it back. There is no big story there,he was stupid and thats pretty much it. The reactions are much more of a story.You're saying people's reactions to Meltzer are more of a story compared to the fact he was wondering if a cancer survivor was telling 100% truth in regards to everything related to their cancer?
God bless you. You're overreacting, getting into heated debates and this is becoming more and more frequent. You alright?
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Mar 9, 2019 18:45:28 GMT -5
It’s reasonable to suspect that WWE withheld info on Roman’s condition because the specifics would not be as dramatic as saying “it’s Leukemia!” This is a craven, immoral organization. Dave has made it clear a number of times that he blames the company it’s just this time he didn’t give enough qualifiers and rambled on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:47:08 GMT -5
He just said he thought Roman was wrong, he never called him a lier.
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