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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Mar 10, 2019 1:37:06 GMT -5
Another hit from the guy who who compared “mark” to the n word lol Being a nerd isn't a bad thing as long you do let your nerdom overtake your common sense. Anyway, this year has be filled with f***ery from everywhere. I think they are pocketing the funds that were supposed to go to infrastructure repairs that fix not make the Road to Wrestlemania be a nightmare to travel. The matches have taken a backseat to backstage shenanigans.
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Post by Doctor No on Mar 10, 2019 2:24:49 GMT -5
Meh. Lots of people that are long term in the wrestling world bubble can see a “work” in everything.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 10, 2019 5:19:32 GMT -5
I feel like people look for things to get offended about online. This forum is guilty of it as well with a ton of stuff and I feel this is one of them. Meltzer said something dumb which he admitted was a dumb thing to say and people are going off on him for things he didn't even imply in his podcast. Getting annoyed that this is even a topic of conversation he discussed? That I get and agree with. Inventing the idea that Meltzer thinks Roman didn't have cancer to begin with and then telling him to go to hell? Nah. I find it odd that some people will hate Meltzer for questioning Roman's recovery time and then turn around and wish him to go to hell like that is in any way being a good person themselves or somehow isn't at the very least an equally terrible thing to say about someone. Generally you should have some class if you're going to attempt to take a higher road and judge another person. People online embellish the shit out of things in order to villainize the other side and victimize theirs. This is just the way things go online but it's so frustrating when you're trying to discuss the actual story that happened and vocal extremists (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the argument keeps sensationalizing it to the point that you spend more time correcting people than actually discussing it. As always the real answer seems to be somewhere in the middle. Meltzer screwed up and apologized for it. He didn't screw up nearly as badly as he is being accused of but he also did say something that was stupid. I also feel like some people have this weird aggressively negative reaction to anything Meltzer does and I just would like to know what he did to justify it? From what I know of the guy the worst he deserves is an eye roll every now and again. The annoying thing on top of this is after all the fist slamming and "outrage" it just gets forgotten about the next week when there is something else that they can direct the exact same reaction towards.
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Post by héad.casé on Mar 10, 2019 6:42:46 GMT -5
I said this last night but I still don’t understand why he feels the need to speculate on if the drug Roman is taking could be classed as chemo - especially when he doesn’t even know what it is that Roman is taking because Roman hasn’t said what it is. Why even talk about it?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 10, 2019 7:02:39 GMT -5
I said this last night but I still don’t understand why he feels the need to speculate on if the drug Roman is taking could be classed as chemo - especially when he doesn’t even know what it is that Roman is taking because Roman hasn’t said what it is. Why even talk about it? Meltzer sometimes seems like a smart dipshit or a stupid genius. In any case, he can be a wealth of information on one thing, but then say something really poorly advised the next moment that does nothing but put heat on him. At the least, he's got a history of doing tone-death shit.
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Post by RedSmile on Mar 10, 2019 7:08:28 GMT -5
I feel like people look for things to get offended about online. This forum is guilty of it as well with a ton of stuff and I feel this is one of them. Meltzer said something dumb which he admitted was a dumb thing to say and people are going off on him for things he didn't even imply in his podcast. Getting annoyed that this is even a topic of conversation he discussed? That I get and agree with. Inventing the idea that Meltzer thinks Roman didn't have cancer to begin with and then telling him to go to hell? Nah. I find it odd that some people will hate Meltzer for questioning Roman's recovery time and then turn around and wish him to go to hell like that is in any way being a good person themselves or somehow isn't at the very least an equally terrible thing to say about someone. Generally you should have some class if you're going to attempt to take a higher road and judge another person. People online embellish the shit out of things in order to villainize the other side and victimize theirs. This is just the way things go online but it's so frustrating when you're trying to discuss the actual story that happened and vocal extremists (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the argument keeps sensationalizing it to the point that you spend more time correcting people than actually discussing it. As always the real answer seems to be somewhere in the middle. Meltzer screwed up and apologized for it. He didn't screw up nearly as badly as he is being accused of but he also did say something that was stupid. I also feel like some people have this weird aggressively negative reaction to anything Meltzer does and I just would like to know what he did to justify it? From what I know of the guy the worst he deserves is an eye roll every now and again. This is 100% correct. There is an entire legion of phony, thin skinned wrestling fans who race each other to "dunk on" Meltzer and take "victory laps" on their blogs and dimestore podcasts.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 10, 2019 7:25:02 GMT -5
I said this last night but I still don’t understand why he feels the need to speculate on if the drug Roman is taking could be classed as chemo - especially when he doesn’t even know what it is that Roman is taking because Roman hasn’t said what it is. Why even talk about it?
Meltzer's excellent at making a hole and digging deeper.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 10, 2019 8:07:46 GMT -5
So, I just went back and re-listened to the episode of Observer Radio that this is clipped from, and, the remarkable thing is that, if you want to go with "Meltzer claims cancer survivor Roman Reigns is lying about his battle with cancer," there is a better clip to use literally two minutes earlier. This whole thing came up because they were talking about the WWE Chronicle special they did on Reigns, that Meltzer commented on, saying (I'm cleaning out some stammering in the below transcript, just periodically insert some if you want the real Dave experience) Bryan and Dave then go back and forth on just how long Reigns would have needed to have been filming for his part in the movie (Bryan basically gets Dave to acknowledge that it's possible that Reigns was not involved in all three months of the shooting, and only came in for a short time at the end). Meltzer then gets to the point he was going to make, At least with that part, Meltzer actually is contesting what Reigns is saying. The clip from the OP comes down to "Is the drug Gleevec a chemotherapy drug?" Meltzer thinks that Gleevec is the drug Roman would have been on (Meltzer mentioned it in the Observer Newsletter that talked about Reigns' return, and, just before the part I transcribed above, mentioned that, while Reigns didn't mention what the drug was that he took, Meltzer was assuming that it was, in fact, Gleevec. From my cursory research, it seems that Gleevec is the go-to prescription for people with CML, which would probably be why Meltzer would assume it's the drug Reigns took, although there are some other, similar drugs typically used as a back-up if Gleevec stops working). And I, like Meltzer, am not a medical expert, but it seems like the answer to if it is a chemotherapy drug is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Some of the articles I'm finding about it seem to contrast it with chemotherapy, like the National Cancer Institute, which says the doctor "was hoping to find a treatment for CML that, unlike chemotherapy, could kill cancer cells but leave healthy cells intact" (emphasis mine), or the American Cancer Society, which says, "Chemo was once one of the main treatments for CML. It's seldom used now because TKIs like imatinib (Gleevec®) work much better," even its makers' own website contrasts it with chemotherapy, saying "When GLEEVEC is combined with chemotherapy...", but WebMD lists it as a chemotherapy drug, as does Google's auto-fill result thing, and Stat News mentions it as a chemotherapy drug (in the second paragraph, "Imatinib is a chemotherapy used to treat leukemia and other cancers"). I guess what I'm saying is, if you are going to bitch about Meltzer, there are better ways to bitch about him than using this kind of semantic argument. What he said here is a thousand times worse and should be the one statement called into question. WTF Dave why does he feel the need to discuss this instead of the other shit going on in the wrestling world
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Post by brentreznor on Mar 10, 2019 8:39:47 GMT -5
Serious question is Dave on the spectrum? I have a relative who is and one of their speech patterns is that they use alot of "ums and ahs" exactly like Nwltzer and whenever I listen to clips from meltzers podcast everytime the other host cracks a joke it goes completely over his head. I've Aspergers and Ive assumed he was somewhere on the spectrum. His obsession with wrestling and his knowledge go beyond usual job/fandom. I always have a habit of "speaking before i think" apparantly since I too, ramble off point and into weird subsects of conversation that make sense and are relevant to me, but can be iffy to follow bread crumbs. I dont usually use the "uhms" and whatnot though. I will have gaps of silence if unsure of conversational intent/integrity while i try to understand why this person is telling me this, what possible outcome/use could it have etc That's always been the pink elephant in the room with Meltzer. Even if he isn't technically on the spectrum. The dude's whole life is watching wrestling. He doesn't really need to go to an office and interact with people. He doesn't need to talk about normal everyday subjects. He literally writes about a fake sport and is able to pay his bills. No matter who you are, you're going to end up a bit socially awkward, if you lived as Meltzer.
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Post by Shark on Mar 10, 2019 16:16:38 GMT -5
My only real issue with what Meltzer said is that he's, unwittingly or not, feeding the conspiracy theorists who believe Roman's cancer was fake. Meltzer seems to have issues with the filter between his brain and his mouth. Even if he doesn't have ill intent, he should take a little more care in what he says. As for Roman being in the movie, we don't actually know when that was even shot. Filming began in September. It could have been one of the first things shot and taken only a day. October 22 was when Roman made his announcement. Roman had about 3 weeks to film his part. Rock only announced it in January.
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Post by Sicho100 on Mar 10, 2019 16:57:50 GMT -5
What he said here is a thousand times worse and should be the one statement called into question. WTF Dave why does he feel the need to discuss this instead of the other shit going on in the wrestling world It's not like it's an either/or question. Meltzer and Alvarez do 3+ Observer Radio shows per week, each running about an hour, if not more. And, for the past month, Dave's been doing daily Observer Radios (because he mangled his hand in a bicycle accident, making typing much more difficult, so he's doing more audio to make up for not being able to do full-fledged Observer Newsletters). The Reigns Chronicle discussion that all of this came from didn't even start until nearly 46 minutes into the episode it was on; it's not like he did a breaking news show just to detail how Roman Reigns is a big fat liar who lied about his cancer.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 10, 2019 17:01:50 GMT -5
I said this last night but I still don’t understand why he feels the need to speculate on if the drug Roman is taking could be classed as chemo - especially when he doesn’t even know what it is that Roman is taking because Roman hasn’t said what it is. Why even talk about it? Meltzer sometimes seems like a smart dipshit or a stupid genius. In any case, he can be a wealth of information on one thing, but then say something really poorly advised the next moment that does nothing but put heat on him. At the least, he's got a history of doing tone-death shit. I kind of think it's that (and I've been guilty of this too at times), Dave is guilty of being a pedant, or of trying to be as accurate as he can be about things, even when it makes him look tone-deaf or insensitive. It doesn't necessarily make him a scumbag or a piece of shit, but it does make him noticeable as somebody who can't read a room or formulate his thoughts in a way that makes people really want to listen to him if they don't have to.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 10, 2019 18:25:19 GMT -5
“Mark and the n word both derogatory. Both demeaning terms. Inside wrestling, mark and n word both used similarly in that era” I’m sure somebody may want to “well actually it’s not what he’s saying” me on that but not listening lol This isn’t his first weird take on the Roman issue either, he was focusing heavily on the ratings aspect and sort of questioning the decision for Roman to announce the way he did. pFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy f***ing balls
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Mar 10, 2019 18:47:07 GMT -5
I feel like people look for things to get offended about online. This forum is guilty of it as well with a ton of stuff and I feel this is one of them. Meltzer said something dumb which he admitted was a dumb thing to say and people are going off on him for things he didn't even imply in his podcast. Getting annoyed that this is even a topic of conversation he discussed? That I get and agree with. Inventing the idea that Meltzer thinks Roman didn't have cancer to begin with and then telling him to go to hell? Nah. I find it odd that some people will hate Meltzer for questioning Roman's recovery time and then turn around and wish him to go to hell like that is in any way being a good person themselves or somehow isn't at the very least an equally terrible thing to say about someone. Generally you should have some class if you're going to attempt to take a higher road and judge another person. People online embellish the shit out of things in order to villainize the other side and victimize theirs. This is just the way things go online but it's so frustrating when you're trying to discuss the actual story that happened and vocal extremists (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the argument keeps sensationalizing it to the point that you spend more time correcting people than actually discussing it. As always the real answer seems to be somewhere in the middle. Meltzer screwed up and apologized for it. He didn't screw up nearly as badly as he is being accused of but he also did say something that was stupid. I also feel like some people have this weird aggressively negative reaction to anything Meltzer does and I just would like to know what he did to justify it? From what I know of the guy the worst he deserves is an eye roll every now and again. Totally agreed. A) Meltzer said something incredibly dumb and thoughtless. B) The massive backlash is overblown and misrepresenting what he said. These two things are NOT mutually exclusive and CAN both be true.
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Post by benstudd on Mar 11, 2019 0:10:56 GMT -5
Still it is hard to give Vince the benefit of the doubt in anything. Esp. the way he pushed Roman so hard for a couple of years now. Look a man was murdered and he went to Saudi Arabia anyway.
All the possibilities should be on the table. Meltzer screwed up but as a journalist, I bet he saw a few alarm bells too. Wrong lead though.
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Post by thegame415 on Mar 11, 2019 3:14:36 GMT -5
Not enough ums and typos.
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Post by zappa on Mar 11, 2019 4:12:00 GMT -5
Meltzer always embarrasses himself when he talks about anything outside of the wrestling bubble.
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