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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:53:21 GMT -5
I'll always have a soft spot for Alvarez cause of the mid-late 2000s Bryan & Vinny reviews of Impact. It's just such raw confusion and frustration and a perfect encapsulation of what it was like being a fan of TNA at that point. Bryan Alvarez is the screaming internet reviewer we need, the screaming internet reviewer we deserve. You're still pretending you're NOT Bryan Alvarez, huh?
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Post by Sparvid on Mar 9, 2019 21:54:13 GMT -5
Meltzer said nothing about Reigns faking cancer. In fact, since Reigns announced his cancer, Meltzer has been saying it's obviously legit. What Dave is doing here is quibble about whether or not the treatment Roman had for his cancer was technically chemotherapy. Which, like, who gives a shit? It's like if he were to speculate that you took Advil when you thought you took Tylenol to deal with a headache. I think what he was getting at was that it wasn’t debilitating chemotherapy like what the word “chemotherapy” conjures in peoples imagination. Why even try to make that point? I don’t know. In some roundabout way I think he was trying into to get across that Reigns’ swift recovery is NOT a reason to believe the cancer was exaggerated. He’s been adamant this whole time about it not being fake after all. Typical Meltzer though. One can generously say that delicate subjects are not his forte. Yeah, to me it sounds like: Stupid people online: "There is no way Roman had chemotherapy and came back this fast! This whole cancer thing is all made up!" Meltzer: "You know, there are other ways to treat this without involving chemotherapy" Other people online: "How dare you say that he never had cancer in the first place?!"
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 21:56:09 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez is the screaming internet reviewer we need, the screaming internet reviewer we deserve. You're still pretending you're NOT Bryan Alvarez, huh? Get outta here you idiot. You're geek of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:58:49 GMT -5
I think what he was getting at was that it wasn’t debilitating chemotherapy like what the word “chemotherapy” conjures in peoples imagination. Why even try to make that point? I don’t know. In some roundabout way I think he was trying into to get across that Reigns’ swift recovery is NOT a reason to believe the cancer was exaggerated. He’s been adamant this whole time about it not being fake after all. Typical Meltzer though. One can generously say that delicate subjects are not his forte. Yeah, to me it sounds like: Stupid people online: "There is no way Roman had chemotherapy and came back this fast! This whole cancer thing is all made up!" Meltzer: "You know, there are other ways to treat this without involving chemotherapy" Other people online: "How dare you say that he never had cancer in the first place?!" Pretty much. Him questioning the timeline of how he could film an action film but not have the energy to play with his kids has others talking, though. Honestly, some people are entirely lacking in the social skills to grasp what he's trying to say, and more than willing to take things out of context.
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 9, 2019 22:17:37 GMT -5
I'm with Nia here, he's crossed a line. He has stepped WAY over the line, he’s crossed the line no one should ever cross with anyone. Roman beat leukemia twice, something rare to do even once. For Meltzer to shit on that, throw doubt and shade on what could have been fatal if ignored is so beyond offensive, I cannot even formulate words. Meltzer has nothing but my contempt from here, even with his pullback. Go to hell.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 9, 2019 22:17:40 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez is the screaming internet reviewer we need, the screaming internet reviewer we deserve. You're still pretending you're NOT Bryan Alvarez, huh? Did he give all his fat clothes to his fat friends? Does his wife give him that little wink every now and then?
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 22:20:58 GMT -5
I'm with Nia here, he's crossed a line. He has stepped WAY over the line, he’s crossed the line no one should ever cross with anyone. Roman beat leukemia twice, something rare to do even once. For Meltzer to shit on that, throw doubt and shade on what could have been fatal if ignored is so beyond offensive, I cannot even formulate words. Meltzer has nothing but my contempt from here, even with his pullback. Go to hell. He didn't do any of that... Please read the full thread.
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Mar 9, 2019 22:33:45 GMT -5
Oh boy. I'm not going to jump on the dude because I get what he meant and everything but this podcast seems to bite him on the ass more often than not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 22:34:33 GMT -5
I feel like people look for things to get offended about online. This forum is guilty of it as well with a ton of stuff and I feel this is one of them. Meltzer said something dumb which he admitted was a dumb thing to say and people are going off on him for things he didn't even imply in his podcast.
Getting annoyed that this is even a topic of conversation he discussed? That I get and agree with. Inventing the idea that Meltzer thinks Roman didn't have cancer to begin with and then telling him to go to hell? Nah. I find it odd that some people will hate Meltzer for questioning Roman's recovery time and then turn around and wish him to go to hell like that is in any way being a good person themselves or somehow isn't at the very least an equally terrible thing to say about someone. Generally you should have some class if you're going to attempt to take a higher road and judge another person.
People online embellish the shit out of things in order to villainize the other side and victimize theirs. This is just the way things go online but it's so frustrating when you're trying to discuss the actual story that happened and vocal extremists (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the argument keeps sensationalizing it to the point that you spend more time correcting people than actually discussing it.
As always the real answer seems to be somewhere in the middle. Meltzer screwed up and apologized for it. He didn't screw up nearly as badly as he is being accused of but he also did say something that was stupid.
I also feel like some people have this weird aggressively negative reaction to anything Meltzer does and I just would like to know what he did to justify it? From what I know of the guy the worst he deserves is an eye roll every now and again.
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Post by mattperiolat on Mar 9, 2019 22:35:15 GMT -5
He has stepped WAY over the line, he’s crossed the line no one should ever cross with anyone. Roman beat leukemia twice, something rare to do even once. For Meltzer to shit on that, throw doubt and shade on what could have been fatal if ignored is so beyond offensive, I cannot even formulate words. Meltzer has nothing but my contempt from here, even with his pullback. Go to hell. He didn't do any of that... Please read the full thread. I have. I’m still angry about this, but I see more clearly that Meltzer is not questioning if Roman was sick, but how it was treated. It’s still unacceptable, it’s still out of line and he has got to answer for it. Good luck, Observer man. You’re going to need it.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 9, 2019 23:03:32 GMT -5
You're still pretending you're NOT Bryan Alvarez, huh? Did he give all his fat clothes to his fat friends? Does his wife give him that little wink every now and then? This commercial always unnerved me both cause the dude was named Bryan Alvarez and cause he looks exactly like my doctor.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 23:36:07 GMT -5
You're still pretending you're NOT Bryan Alvarez, huh? Did he give all his fat clothes to his fat friends? Does his wife give him that little wink every now and then?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 9, 2019 23:40:51 GMT -5
Did he give all his fat clothes to his fat friends? Does his wife give him that little wink every now and then? This commercial always unnerved me both cause the dude was named Bryan Alvarez and cause he looks exactly like my doctor. I always just wondered if any of his buddies ever saw the ad and thought, "Thanks for the polo shirts, dick".
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 10, 2019 0:17:00 GMT -5
For a guy that has made a career being a journalist, Meltzer has to be one of the most inarticulate speakers I've heard. I have met people that can't write for shit but speak very well and vice-versa. I don't read meltzer articles but I assume they are well made. Nah, Meltzer writes like a teenager. When you compare the articles he posts on his own site compared to the articles he's written for other sites and magazines, it's quite obvious that the copy editor has had to earn their money. He gets by because of his encyclopaedia-level of knowledge about wrestling and his contacts, not because he's a good writer.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Mar 10, 2019 0:21:48 GMT -5
Bix can be a dweeb but sometimes he knocks one out lol:
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Post by Sicho100 on Mar 10, 2019 1:00:22 GMT -5
I have met people that can't write for shit but speak very well and vice-versa. I don't read meltzer articles but I assume they are well made. Nah, Meltzer writes like a teenager. When you compare the articles he posts on his own site compared to the articles he's written for other sites and magazines, it's quite obvious that the copy editor has had to earn their money. He gets by because of his encyclopaedia-level of knowledge about wrestling and his contacts, not because he's a good writer. Yeah, but he also writes 30,000+ words per week. Like with the audio shows, a big part of Meltzer's job is just putting out content, so he doesn't really have the time to heavily edit his stuff, so it makes sense that the Observer isn't the best writing in the world.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 10, 2019 1:04:05 GMT -5
Nah, Meltzer writes like a teenager. When you compare the articles he posts on his own site compared to the articles he's written for other sites and magazines, it's quite obvious that the copy editor has had to earn their money. He gets by because of his encyclopaedia-level of knowledge about wrestling and his contacts, not because he's a good writer. Yeah, but he also writes 30,000+ words per week. Like with the audio shows, a big part of Meltzer's job is just putting out content, so he doesn't really have the time to heavily edit his stuff, so it makes sense that the Observer isn't the best writing in the world. Yeah, I suppose that's fair. With the schedule he has quantity over quality makes sense.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Mar 10, 2019 1:07:17 GMT -5
I'm probably one of the few people not to be outraged about what Meltzer said. Primarily because I've read that passage about 15 times and I still can't work out what the hell he is actually saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 1:20:32 GMT -5
Serious question is Dave on the spectrum? I have a relative who is and one of their speech patterns is that they use alot of "ums and ahs" exactly like Nwltzer and whenever I listen to clips from meltzers podcast everytime the other host cracks a joke it goes completely over his head. I've Aspergers and Ive assumed he was somewhere on the spectrum. His obsession with wrestling and his knowledge go beyond usual job/fandom. I always have a habit of "speaking before i think" apparantly since I too, ramble off point and into weird subsects of conversation that make sense and are relevant to me, but can be iffy to follow bread crumbs. I dont usually use the "uhms" and whatnot though. I will have gaps of silence if unsure of conversational intent/integrity while i try to understand why this person is telling me this, what possible outcome/use could it have etc.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Mar 10, 2019 1:25:38 GMT -5
no matter what any of us say about Meltzer or vice versa and how wrestlers perceive him, one thing is always going to be clear - he has a sweet, sweet collection of cool as f*** Japanese wrestling shirts better than any of ours
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