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Post by Starshine on Mar 9, 2019 20:17:30 GMT -5
For the life of me, I don't understand why Dave Meltzer has so many rabidly loyal fans (just go and check out r/squaredcircle). He's some dude who reports wrestling gossip, and rates matches. The fact that he's held up as an ultimate authority, to the point that people quote his match ratings as 'proof' of someone's ability, is quite ridiculous. When it comes to medical matters, which I'm quite sure this guy knows nothing about, perhaps he'd be better off just not commenting. If you ever read any of his wrestler obituaries, you'll understand. The guy has an encyclopedic knowledge about pro wrestling and its history. Painting him as just some generic wrestling gossiper is completely unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 20:21:30 GMT -5
I like Meltzer and he's definitely not the only person who has doubts about the Roman situation, but good lord, don't make that opinion public if you're Dave Meltzer. You're just asking for trouble. On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 9, 2019 20:22:34 GMT -5
“Mark and the n word both derogatory. Both demeaning terms. Inside wrestling, mark and n word both used similarly in that era” I’m sure somebody may want to “well actually it’s not what he’s saying” me on that but not listening lol This isn’t his first weird take on the Roman issue either, he was focusing heavily on the ratings aspect and sort of questioning the decision for Roman to announce the way he did. F********** off old maaaaaannn lol
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Post by brown bricks on Mar 9, 2019 20:23:33 GMT -5
I like Meltzer and he's definitely not the only person who has doubts about the Roman situation, but good lord, don't make that opinion public if you're Dave Meltzer. You're just asking for trouble. On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever. Without sidetracking the thread, yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts on it. I certainly am not going to question it because I would hope they wouldn't stoop to that level. But would it surprise if they lied or exaggerated it a little to get fans to cheer Roman? No. And it certainly shouldn't shock anyone else that there's a possibility they (Vince) would stoop that low.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Mar 9, 2019 20:25:15 GMT -5
News reporting has passed Meltzer by
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 9, 2019 20:25:19 GMT -5
Ehhh another outrage of the week... Big fan of Dave, but this is kind of gross. I understand we are fans of an industry where it's very hard to draw a line between what is work and what is shoot sometimes, but I'm more than willing to give Roman the benefit of the doubt on this.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 9, 2019 20:28:45 GMT -5
I like Meltzer and he's definitely not the only person who has doubts about the Roman situation, but good lord, don't make that opinion public if you're Dave Meltzer. You're just asking for trouble. On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever. I 100% believe they wouldn't fake of help facilitate the faking of cancer. That's too low even for them.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 9, 2019 20:36:59 GMT -5
On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever. I 100% believe they wouldn't fake of help facilitate the faking of cancer. That's too low even for them. They'd piss off shareholders, their charitable partners (a few of them *cancer* related) and suffer irreversible PR damage.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 9, 2019 20:38:00 GMT -5
On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever. Without sidetracking the thread, yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts on it. I certainly am not going to question it because I would hope they wouldn't stoop to that level. But would it surprise if they lied or exaggerated it a little to get fans to cheer Roman? No. And it certainly shouldn't shock anyone else that there's a possibility they (Vince) would stoop that low. This is gross. Please stop this conversation.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 9, 2019 20:50:38 GMT -5
Holy hyperbole.
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Post by Sicho100 on Mar 9, 2019 20:52:59 GMT -5
So, I just went back and re-listened to the episode of Observer Radio that this is clipped from, and, the remarkable thing is that, if you want to go with "Meltzer claims cancer survivor Roman Reigns is lying about his battle with cancer," there is a better clip to use literally two minutes earlier. This whole thing came up because they were talking about the WWE Chronicle special they did on Reigns, that Meltzer commented on, saying (I'm cleaning out some stammering in the below transcript, just periodically insert some if you want the real Dave experience) Bryan and Dave then go back and forth on just how long Reigns would have needed to have been filming for his part in the movie (Bryan basically gets Dave to acknowledge that it's possible that Reigns was not involved in all three months of the shooting, and only came in for a short time at the end). Meltzer then gets to the point he was going to make, At least with that part, Meltzer actually is contesting what Reigns is saying. The clip from the OP comes down to "Is the drug Gleevec a chemotherapy drug?" Meltzer thinks that Gleevec is the drug Roman would have been on (Meltzer mentioned it in the Observer Newsletter that talked about Reigns' return, and, just before the part I transcribed above, mentioned that, while Reigns didn't mention what the drug was that he took, Meltzer was assuming that it was, in fact, Gleevec. From my cursory research, it seems that Gleevec is the go-to prescription for people with CML, which would probably be why Meltzer would assume it's the drug Reigns took, although there are some other, similar drugs typically used as a back-up if Gleevec stops working). And I, like Meltzer, am not a medical expert, but it seems like the answer to if it is a chemotherapy drug is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Some of the articles I'm finding about it seem to contrast it with chemotherapy, like the National Cancer Institute, which says the doctor "was hoping to find a treatment for CML that, unlike chemotherapy, could kill cancer cells but leave healthy cells intact" (emphasis mine), or the American Cancer Society, which says, "Chemo was once one of the main treatments for CML. It's seldom used now because TKIs like imatinib (Gleevec®) work much better," even its makers' own website contrasts it with chemotherapy, saying "When GLEEVEC is combined with chemotherapy...", but WebMD lists it as a chemotherapy drug, as does Google's auto-fill result thing, and Stat News mentions it as a chemotherapy drug (in the second paragraph, "Imatinib is a chemotherapy used to treat leukemia and other cancers"). I guess what I'm saying is, if you are going to bitch about Meltzer, there are better ways to bitch about him than using this kind of semantic argument.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 9, 2019 21:04:47 GMT -5
On the other hand, it really surprises me that people think World Wrestling Entertainment wouldn't do something that low and carny. It's a terrible thought to consider, but if anybody is going to take advantage of the situation, it's them. Absolutely expecting backlash for this, but whatever. Without sidetracking the thread, yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts on it. I certainly am not going to question it because I would hope they wouldn't stoop to that level. But would it surprise if they lied or exaggerated it a little to get fans to cheer Roman? No. And it certainly shouldn't shock anyone else that there's a possibility they (Vince) would stoop that low.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Mar 9, 2019 21:19:10 GMT -5
As someone who respects Dave’s historical knowledge and business analysis: his writing is not much more lucid than his speaking.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 9, 2019 21:20:08 GMT -5
So, I just went back and re-listened to the episode of Observer Radio that this is clipped from, and, the remarkable thing is that, if you want to go with "Meltzer claims cancer survivor Roman Reigns is lying about his battle with cancer," there is a better clip to use literally two minutes earlier. This whole thing came up because they were talking about the WWE Chronicle special they did on Reigns, that Meltzer commented on, saying (I'm cleaning out some stammering in the below transcript, just periodically insert some if you want the real Dave experience) Bryan and Dave then go back and forth on just how long Reigns would have needed to have been filming for his part in the movie (Bryan basically gets Dave to acknowledge that it's possible that Reigns was not involved in all three months of the shooting, and only came in for a short time at the end). Meltzer then gets to the point he was going to make, At least with that part, Meltzer actually is contesting what Reigns is saying. The clip from the OP comes down to "Is the drug Gleevec a chemotherapy drug?" Meltzer thinks that Gleevec is the drug Roman would have been on (Meltzer mentioned it in the Observer Newsletter that talked about Reigns' return, and, just before the part I transcribed above, mentioned that, while Reigns didn't mention what the drug was that he took, Meltzer was assuming that it was, in fact, Gleevec. From my cursory research, it seems that Gleevec is the go-to prescription for people with CML, which would probably be why Meltzer would assume it's the drug Reigns took, although there are some other, similar drugs typically used as a back-up if Gleevec stops working). And I, like Meltzer, am not a medical expert, but it seems like the answer to if it is a chemotherapy drug is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Some of the articles I'm finding about it seem to contrast it with chemotherapy, like the National Cancer Institute, which says the doctor "was hoping to find a treatment for CML that, unlike chemotherapy, could kill cancer cells but leave healthy cells intact" (emphasis mine), or the American Cancer Society, which says, "Chemo was once one of the main treatments for CML. It's seldom used now because TKIs like imatinib (Gleevec®) work much better," even its makers' own website contrasts it with chemotherapy, saying "When GLEEVEC is combined with chemotherapy...", but WebMD lists it as a chemotherapy drug, as does Google's auto-fill result thing, and Stat News mentions it as a chemotherapy drug (in the second paragraph, "Imatinib is a chemotherapy used to treat leukemia and other cancers"). I guess what I'm saying is, if you are going to bitch about Meltzer, there are better ways to bitch about him than using this kind of semantic argument. Hey man, I just want to put it out there that I appreciate the work you put into this response. Context is always important, but you even go a step further and research actual first hand knowledge on the subject. Colour me impressed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 9, 2019 21:37:37 GMT -5
As someone that's currently on a drug for nerve damage to treat OCD of all things, I can say quite confidently that medical science has most definitely evolved to the point where oral chemo would 100% be a thing. also f*** Meltzer. f*** f*** f*** Meltzer. literally all the f***. I've always been more of an Alvarez guy, anyway. I'll always have a soft spot for Alvarez cause of the mid-late 2000s Bryan & Vinny reviews of Impact. It's just such raw confusion and frustration and a perfect encapsulation of what it was like being a fan of TNA at that point.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Mar 9, 2019 21:43:23 GMT -5
Meltz you dummy.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fingers on Mar 9, 2019 21:48:06 GMT -5
Hnnng, Bryan. I'm trying to publish a story, but I'm dummy thicc, and the clap of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the WWE locker room
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:48:36 GMT -5
Serious question is Dave on the spectrum? I have a relative who is and one of their speech patterns is that they use alot of "ums and ahs" exactly like Nwltzer and whenever I listen to clips from meltzers podcast everytime the other host cracks a joke it goes completely over his head. I am on the spectrum, and I do a lot of "ums and ahs". But, there are plenty of people who aren't mentally handicapped who just aren't articulate, verbally. Whenever you listen to Meltzer talk, he's always been awkward, and that's why for many years, people generally relied on reading his Observer to get his take, rather than the interviews, with that only becoming more in vogue because it was a more quicker way to get access to the news from the horse's mouth.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 21:51:14 GMT -5
I've always been more of an Alvarez guy, anyway. I'll always have a soft spot for Alvarez cause of the mid-late 2000s Bryan & Vinny reviews of Impact. It's just such raw confusion and frustration and a perfect encapsulation of what it was like being a fan of TNA at that point. Bryan Alvarez is the screaming internet reviewer we need, the screaming internet reviewer we deserve.
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