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Post by No One on Mar 9, 2019 19:24:13 GMT -5
Ah ok thanks kn. Ok I transcribed it (not a joke, this is word for word) It's hard not to side with him when he makes his point so eloquently.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 9, 2019 19:25:25 GMT -5
90% of people in the business can't stand him or lend him a shred of credibility, Not to say this applies to all forms of journalism or even this topic but the people being reported on shouldn’t be expected to “like” the people involved, especially if what is reported on them is true and they didn’t want that info out.
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Post by clifford on Mar 9, 2019 19:32:15 GMT -5
90% of people in the business can't stand him or lend him a shred of credibility, Not to say this applies to all forms of journalism or even this topic but the people being reported on shouldn’t be expected to “like” the people involved, especially if what is reported on them is true and they didn’t want that info out. When a guy has been in the business as long as Dave has and the go to reaction from nearly everyone when someone mentions something he has reported is a roll of the eyes and calling him bullshit you start to believe it to be honest.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Mar 9, 2019 19:35:10 GMT -5
He needs to shut up when it deals with personal lives
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Post by Starshine on Mar 9, 2019 19:37:27 GMT -5
The irony of all this is that had Ryan Satin and Nia Jax not framed their responses the the quote in the way they did, I don't know how many people really would have taken much of anything out of that single quote. You always see these fans and wrestlers who seem to develop this personal resentment to Meltzer for whatever reason, yet they're ultimately the ones who keep bringing him back into the spotlight, and often end up coming off worse in their attacks then the guy did himself due to his typical marble mouthed way of speaking.
There's making takes on opinions and quotes, but then there's falsifying malice behind them. If someone says "Metlzer said something dumb," I don't know how many people would care. But then we have to add qualifying statements like "many take his word as gospel" which may be the case for some extreme cases, but I also doubt that applies here. Especially since the guy has been on record in stating the Reigns diagnosis is the real deal. You may have the odd conspiracy theorist listening and using it as a source to backup their claims. But those sort of extreme views are few and far between, and no one really takes them seriously outside of their circle anyway. So then you're left with one anti-Melzter side yelling about how awful he is, while the other side feels compelled to defend him due to the context of the quote which has now been taken to it's absolute extreme, and no longer reflects the actual context it was originally brought up in.
To basically sum it up, Twitter is a garbage platform that serves little to no purpose other than to get people yelling at each other instead of sharing productive dialogue.
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 9, 2019 19:38:19 GMT -5
Another thing with cancer is that a lot of it depends on when it's caught. If Roman was lucky enough to catch his leukemia early, then his treatment wouldn't be as rigorous as someone who had it first diagnosed in a later stage.
Ultimately, no one but Roman and his doctors would really know what the appropriate treatment for the type of cancer he had would be (and it'd be outright illegal for anyone else to know the specifics without Roman's explicit permission). Playing armchair physician is just being irresponsible, though it's very unlikely Meltzer had any malicious intent here. He just has his foot perpetually in his mouth.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 19:39:25 GMT -5
The irony of all this is that had Ryan Satin and Nia Jax not framed their responses the the quote in the way they did, I don't know how many people really would have taken much of anything out of that single quote. You always see these fans and wrestlers who seem to develop this personal resentment to Meltzer for whatever reason, yet they're ultimately the ones who keep bringing him back into the spotlight, and often end up coming off worse in their attacks then the guy did himself due to his typical marble mouthed way of speaking. There's making takes on opinions and quotes, but then there's falsifying malice behind them. If someone says "Metlzer said something dumb," I don't know how many people would care. But then we have to add qualifying statements like "many take his word as gospel" which may be the case for some extreme cases, but I also doubt that applies here. Especially since the guy has been on record in stating the Reigns diagnosis is the real deal. You may have the odd conspiracy theorist listening and using it as a source to backup their claims. But those sort of extreme views are few and far between, and no one really takes them seriously outside of their circle anyway. So then you're left with one anti-Melzter side yelling about how awful he is, while the other side feels compelled to defend him due to the context of the quote which has now been taken to it's absolute extreme, and no longer reflects the actual context it was originally brought up in. To basically sum it up, Twitter is a garbage platform that serves little to no purpose other than to get people yelling at each other instead of sharing productive dialogue. Satin framing a response the way he did is especially shitty with him being a "competitor". Nia, I assume, responded to Satin so she had even less context as Satin was willfully misleading.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 9, 2019 19:41:06 GMT -5
The irony of all this is that had Ryan Satin and Nia Jax not framed their responses the the quote in the way they did, I don't know how many people really would have taken much of anything out of that single quote. You always see these fans and wrestlers who seem to develop this personal resentment to Meltzer for whatever reason, yet they're ultimately the ones who keep bringing him back into the spotlight, and often end up coming off worse in their attacks then the guy did himself due to his typical marble mouthed way of speaking. There's making takes on opinions and quotes, but then there's falsifying malice behind them. If someone says "Metlzer said something dumb," I don't know how many people would care. But then we have to add qualifying statements like "many take his word as gospel" which may be the case for some extreme cases, but I also doubt that applies here. Especially since the guy has been on record in stating the Reigns diagnosis is the real deal. You may have the odd conspiracy theorist listening and using it as a source to backup their claims. But those sort of extreme views are few and far between, and no one really takes them seriously outside of their circle anyway. So then you're left with one anti-Melzter side yelling about how awful he is, while the other side feels compelled to defend him due to the context of the quote which has now been taken to it's absolute extreme, and no longer reflects the actual context it was originally brought up in. To basically sum it up, Twitter is a garbage platform that serves little to no purpose other than to get people yelling at each other instead of sharing productive dialogue. Satin framing a response the way he did is especially shitty with him being a "competitor". Nia, I assume, responded to Satin so she had even less context as Satin was willfully misleading. My point is neither really helps. I'm not trying to cast blame on anyone in particular. EDIT: Okay, maybe I'm blaming Twitter.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2019 19:45:44 GMT -5
Satin framing a response the way he did is especially shitty with him being a "competitor". Nia, I assume, responded to Satin so she had even less context as Satin was willfully misleading. My point is neither really helps. I'm not trying to cast blame on anyone in particular. EDIT: Okay, maybe I'm blaming Twitter. Everyone in favor of shutting down twitter?
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 9, 2019 19:53:36 GMT -5
Can we get a more accurate thread title so this doesn't escalate? Even if it is justto "Meltz doubts Roman's type of cancer treament".I feel like that is accurate enough without messing too much with OP's title. The thread title is just out and out incorrect. As evidenced by OPs activity in the thread, everything is just filtered through confirmation bias. "Meltzer vomits out nonsensical rambling about whether Roman's cancer treatment falls under the umbrella of chemotherapy or not" doesn't get those views though.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 9, 2019 19:53:53 GMT -5
So....
My cancer did not require chemo. Not even a pill or some shit. The removed my eye, and the giant tumor inside of it, and that was that.
EXCEPT for the spending the last 3 years worried that my cancer will come back...which it very well could, it’s a 50/50 shot...as liver or bone cancer.
But, yeah, as i typed this I am cancer free.
I say all that to say this; just because you didn’t do chemo doesn’t mean you didn’t go through treatment for cancer. Dave is f***ing idiot who should stick to actual wrestling related matters...or he should have before he blew any credibility he might have had with this shit AND the Peyton shit. —————-
TL/DR; f*** you, Meltzer.
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Post by bearned on Mar 9, 2019 19:55:02 GMT -5
I guess if you have to fill up content on your podcast and have a tendency to ramble, you are going to say something spectacularly dumb at least once or twice. He should know better though.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 9, 2019 20:01:32 GMT -5
Not to say this applies to all forms of journalism or even this topic but the people being reported on shouldn’t be expected to “like” the people involved, especially if what is reported on them is true and they didn’t want that info out. When a guy has been in the business as long as Dave has and the go to reaction from nearly everyone when someone mentions something he has reported is a roll of the eyes and calling him bullshit you start to believe it to be honest. Sure, but you’re going to get that from most industries. Certainly not worded that way and with a tonne more spin and make it printable to media but it’s not like most of those people haven’t had some dumb counter reason for it that takes the blame off of them and onto someone else.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 9, 2019 20:06:15 GMT -5
Meltzer is horrible at making points and can’t speak for shit, but this is being blown way out of proportion. It is just Meltzer getting hung up on a detail that doesn’t matter.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 9, 2019 20:08:15 GMT -5
Not everything needs to be publicly speculated on. Like, there’s times in life where the best thing you could do is shut the f*** up on a topic and, oh boy, is “someone is lying about his cancer treatment” one of those times.
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Post by Shai on Mar 9, 2019 20:08:51 GMT -5
Um ah maybe Dave should um stick to just writing articles if he can't think when he speaks.
All jokes aside 90% of Meltz's issues could be solved if he took five seconds to think about what he says before it comes out of his mouth.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 20:09:21 GMT -5
Can we get the thread title changed to something more accurate?
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Post by brown bricks on Mar 9, 2019 20:13:39 GMT -5
I like Meltzer and he's definitely not the only person who has doubts about the Roman situation, but good lord, don't make that opinion public if you're Dave Meltzer. You're just asking for trouble.
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Post by Prince Petty on Mar 9, 2019 20:14:15 GMT -5
For the life of me, I don't understand why Dave Meltzer has so many rabidly loyal fans (just go and check out r/squaredcircle). He's some dude who reports wrestling gossip, and rates matches. The fact that he's held up as an ultimate authority, to the point that people quote his match ratings as 'proof' of someone's ability, is quite ridiculous.
When it comes to medical matters, which I'm quite sure this guy is not an expert on, perhaps he'd be better off just not commenting.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 9, 2019 20:17:18 GMT -5
I like Meltzer and he's definitely not the only person who has doubts about the Roman situation, but good lord, don't make that opinion public if you're Dave Meltzer. You're just asking for trouble. He's not doubting that Roman had cancer or that he was treated. He was talking semantics because he rambles and can't stop himself. Seriously, we need a new thread title please.
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