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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 11, 2019 14:22:24 GMT -5
"OK, Creative. Come up with a story for Becky, Charlotte and Rhonda." "Derr sure thing boss. Derr." Road Dogg: This is why Vince made me the head Bee guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 14:50:23 GMT -5
Combination of adding Charlotte to the match and adding the McMahon’s to the story.
They had a hot character and a potentially main event level women’s match fall on their laps and they messed it up. The match will probably still be good but it’s not going to be a great build up, and builds ups are as important (if not more) than the match.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 11, 2019 15:03:07 GMT -5
The moment Steph got involved.
Before that it was mostly character driven, feeling somewhat natural and fresh as unplanned circumstances propelled it forward.
Now it's more plot driven and that plot is way too convuluted. It feels forced into a template we've seen before. That's watered down the characters even before Ronda lost it.
Basically they screwed up, reacted well and stumbled into something special but then tried to control it and screwed it up again.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 11, 2019 15:09:58 GMT -5
Adding the McMahons already overcomplicated it more than it had to be. Marissa McMahon called YOUR LOCAL PIZZERIA and told them not to serve to you on The Road to WrestleMania™.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 11, 2019 15:14:13 GMT -5
Simple story screwed up by wanting to keep Rousey face and adding Charlotte to be the heel.
Becky wins, challenges Ronda. Ronda is pissed at Beckys attitude and the fans booing her. Brings in Bazler, Duke, and Shaffir to be her muscle. Yes, Duke and Shaffir are not ready ring wise but they can be goons. And Bazler can hold her own on the mic (better than Rousey maybe) and in the ring. So you have Becky fighting the four women until Mania.
You could even have a mini Charlotte feud with Charlotte wanting to take the title shot away and Vince granting her a match at Fastlane for it. Becky has to beat her with Rondas goons trying to make her lose. Then Charlotte can go on to face Asuka with the story being can she repeat last year while Becky gets to face Ronda one on one and bring a satisfying conclusion to a Mania for a change.
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Post by domrep on Mar 11, 2019 15:16:27 GMT -5
When they realized they had 3 months to fill and no idea what to do with them. This is WWE in a nutshell. Becky got over organically. You can't have that in this company so what WWE does is they try to take control of it and ram it down our throats. You want Becky? Let's give her 3-4 segments per show, or the main event segment on every show, every week. Becky should have won the Rumble, done her promos on RAW and/or Smackdown right after the Rumble and disappear for a few weeks, if not for a month. Let her rest up from whatever knee injury she has. You're overexposing the talent.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 11, 2019 15:32:51 GMT -5
I think they’ve overthought it in trying to fill out the two and a half months TV time between Lynch winning the Rumble and the actual match that she won as the prize, especially with most of the work selling the match already being done with the Survivor Series build and the promo the night after the Rumble.
I’m not going to rail against the idea of Lynch being given a kayfabe injury to avoid her having matches for no reason, I mean, I’ve seen enough sport to know that knee ligaments can tear on innocuous landings and motions all the time, and she’s gonna end up fighting all these people after WrestleMania anyway. Why risk an actual injury because you need 10 minutes to fill of Lynch beating one of The Riott Squad? I don’t think it should have made her into Tiny Tim, though.
Charlotte being added, I could take it or leave it. The natural way of adding her in was right there, though, and they didn’t use it, and that goes back to them overthinking it.
Rousey’s a weird case, because the stuff that most are railing against her for that supposedly killed the feud is probably literally never going to be brought up on TV. But for most of us, that’s going to be a cloud over the whole thing.
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Post by auph10imitated on Mar 11, 2019 15:45:00 GMT -5
I’m fine with Charlotte involved, the match quality will be better and why not give two home grown females the WM main event rub.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 15:46:31 GMT -5
They really just overly complicated the whole thing. They should have left the McMahon drama out and just gone one of three routes with it if they really had to do the triple threat -
1. Becky and Charlotte have a draw in the Rumble, say Becky's too hurt to restart it and so it stands as a draw, then they both choose Ronda - Becky due to their issues and Charlotte just to f*** with Becky some more.
2. Charlotte rightfully protests Becky wasn't supposed to be in the Rumble plus came out after the #30 mark, gets a match to have the chance to be added, cheats to win.
3. Charlotte attacks Becky and takes her leg out, Becky sits at home the next few weeks while they play up how it's uncertain if she can make it to Mania or not, Charlotte wins a match to take her place then Becky comes back and now it's a triple threat.
All of these would be way more simple and to the point.
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Post by 4real on Mar 11, 2019 15:49:47 GMT -5
The leg injury and the McMahon’s involvement are completely lame. The twitter beef is beyond lame. Rousey tries bless her but she needs a mouthpiece.
So everything apart from Charlotte being added really.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 11, 2019 15:59:30 GMT -5
Where it went wrong was having Becky win the Rumble And this was solidified lastnight because I have brought it up multiple times that not one single time during this entire complicated process have they aknowleged Beckyw winning the rumble , not once have they made any aknowledgement in story to say...we are taking the rumble win away but she is made to jump through all these hoops...making an Injured Becky look like a total dumbass by agreeing to jump through all the hoops when she could pull a stone cold and just out smart the situation securing her place at Mania. Yeah, if they wanted to hit roughly these same beats (right down to Becky finally qualifying at Fastlane), in hindsight having Charlotte win the Rumble through heel means would have made much more sense. Becky had already had a match and was ‘injured’, so she would have been heavily protected, but if you trust rumours, Vince is so pro-Becky that he overruled Creative and personally insisted she had to win the Rumble, regardless of the narrative issues it created down the line. I’d also suggest the the ‘injury’ stuff sucks (though it is genuinely interesting that last night was Becky’s first match anywhere since the Rumble), as it’s not being played well enough to get sympathy and is just making Ronda/Charlotte look bad getting beat up by a one-legged woman. (That segment on last week’s SDL was especially needless, in that sense, and also made Ronda’s Raw beatdown mean less.) And it ties into the problem that WWE can’t decide on whether to have Becky be a sympathetic underdog or a dominant badass, so they’re trying to make her both at once and it’s not working. I don’t think the triple threat is the problem per se, but with making Becky the protagonist they’re having to really work the booking to hammer home she’s the face, so they do things like Charlotte having a technicality for the Rumble but then not bringing it up to avoid undercutting Becky’s legitimacy (even though with Lana’s ‘injury’ they worked hard to make her morally right) or making Asuka disappear off TV for weeks so people forgot Asuka tapped Becky out clean at the Rumble. This is also likely why they added Charlotte in the lamest most deus-ex-machina way possible. For me, the easiest three way build is that they’re all badass, all prone to use weapons, and all hate each other’s guts, but the way the story is being told is that it’s a Becky story of all the hurdles she must clear.
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Post by schma on Mar 11, 2019 16:04:31 GMT -5
Pretty much everyone has pointed out the obvious. One thing I've been noticing is that Charlotte is playing her entitled character to a tee but doing almost nothing with the other women. Last night she just kinda looked angrily at Ronda but did nothing. In previous encounters Becky has shown up and she just left the ring. The one time she beat Becky down was a house show match. Have her and Ronda even gotten physical in this build? There can be something said for keeping competitors apart during a build but when you have 3 of them and one of them rarely engages the others and largely gives their promos in a vacuum, it's hard to see them as anything other than a third wheel.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Mar 11, 2019 16:12:53 GMT -5
Second week after the Rumble when the McMahon's started getting involved. That combined with Becky's perpetual knee injury has made me lose all interest. It's really starting to feel like career sabotage with how they are trying to cool her off. When it comes to the WrestleMania match it's gone from wake me up when we get there to wake me up when it's over. Hopefully they can right the ship after Mania but I have my doubts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 16:32:47 GMT -5
The big thing about Charlotte's inclusion is yeah, some people don't want her in the match but without her what would you get? You'd still get the McMahon involvement, you'd still get the Becky leg issues, you'd get more promo time with Ronda and Becky which wasn't helping anyone out, you'd probably get more of the negativity to cover up Charlotte not being there because from what we've seen Charlotte's promos and comments through these shows, that the other two aren't on, have actually helped propel this feud some. The big issue's revolving around the actual booking rather than which characters are used in the play.
The big problem is something we've been saying for years: too many McMahon angles, too many times this company tries to make a face look weak and too much talking between the players involved. It's sad. You can take these issues and apply them to most main angles these past 10 years that have failed and the same applies.
I actually think a big part of it is Bryan's WM30 rise. As great as it was you know the company wants to use that template on everyone else whether they're Becky or Kofi. Every face they want to push has to be beaten down by the company so that people root for them no matter if they're OP or if they're considered weak.
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Post by Shark on Mar 11, 2019 16:51:59 GMT -5
I think Charlotte was added too early. Becky wins wins the Rumble, do the angle between her and Ronda the next night on Raw, then have them both go away for a while. Do vignettes showing them training for their match. Charlotte, wanting to be champion, challenges Asuka for the Smackdown title at Elimination Chamber. Charlotte says that she will do what Becky failed to do and take the title from Asuka and walk into Wrestlemania as champion. Asuka wins, gets some revenge on Charlotte for Mania last year. Maybe show Charlotte upset backstage before marching into the McMahon's office. Next night on Raw, you then do the bit where Vince replaces Becky with Charlotte, Becky raises hell for a few weeks. Stephanie smooths things over and makes Becky vs Charlotte for Fastlane.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 11, 2019 17:09:49 GMT -5
It's the match I'm probably looking forward to most. I think it should main event. So not enough has gone wrong to wreck it for me. Likely it helps I'm a big fan of Charlotte, I guess.
But, the McMahon stuff and the leg injury have been pretty tiresome padding. Just want them to cut to the chase.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 11, 2019 17:20:04 GMT -5
I used to say the mistake was putting Charlotte in the match. But that's small potatoes considering the convoluted mess of a road map they've taken to get to this point. I don't know if there's really any one thing to point to, it's all muddled and messy. I've added this pic of the WWE creative storyboard to further emphasise my point of what exactly went wrong:
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 11, 2019 17:31:24 GMT -5
I used to say the mistake was putting Charlotte in the match. But that's small potatoes considering the convoluted mess of a road map they've taken to get to this point. I don't know if there's really any one thing to point to, it's all muddled and messy. I've added this pic of the WWE creative storyboard to further emphasise my point of what exactly went wrong: “Russo, give this guy a cigarette, he's freakin' out.” “Huh? Who?” “Russo. He's the one who tipped me off to this angle.” “Russo? Who the hell is Russo?” “You don't see the... Holy shit, where the hell did he go?”
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Post by clifford on Mar 11, 2019 17:31:53 GMT -5
They need to just cut all the crap for the last 4 weeks.
No Mcmahons, no Becky selling the leg, no Ronda flat out ignoring kayfabe to be 'edgy'.
Ronda is the champ. Charlotte is the queen. Becky is the man.
Few promos here, messy contract signing there, big dirty pull apart brawl on the go home show and Bob's your uncle.
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Post by realist on Mar 11, 2019 17:35:21 GMT -5
The McMahons saw a potentially historic Wrestlemania main event that featured both a mainstream star and one of the most organic stars they have had in a long time. They figured this match might be huge, but it didn't involve any McMahons, so they had to fix that pesky problem.
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