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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Mar 12, 2019 10:40:42 GMT -5
They added Charlotte because they didn’t have faith in Becky Lynch. That’s all. Charlottes addition makes sense because she never got her comeuppance from Ronda for beating the crap out of her. That’s something the WWE should have had resolved before turning Ronda heel.
Also it’s pretty simple. WWE has a tough time building a PPV with three weeks between shows. Give them three months and they’re just lost.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 12, 2019 11:42:40 GMT -5
This is a case where I tend to think the original booking ideas might have worked better. Becky's injury screwed it all up in that regard. It would have been easy enough to have Becky turn heel on Charlotte, beat Charlotte for the SD title, Charlotte wins the Rumble, faces Ronda at WM, Becky faces Asuka at WM. I tend to think that's where it was all heading and frankly those are better than what we're going to get (a lame 3 way and Asuka facing someone who will probably suck).
Or if they insisted on this 3 way why not do a disputed finish at the Rumble where both Charlotte and Becky's feet hit at the same time?
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 12, 2019 11:57:40 GMT -5
I don't mind Charlotte being added, I just don't like how they did it. Vince just coming out and saying he wanted someone else in the match instead goes directly against what he said months ago about now only giving fans what they want. It's the same reason the Kofi storyline is being done poorly.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Mar 12, 2019 12:01:17 GMT -5
This is a case where I tend to think the original booking ideas might have worked better. Becky's injury screwed it all up in that regard. It would have been easy enough to have Becky turn heel on Charlotte, beat Charlotte for the SD title, Charlotte wins the Rumble, faces Ronda at WM, Becky faces Asuka at WM. I tend to think that's where it was all heading and frankly those are better than what we're going to get (a lame 3 way and Asuka facing someone who will probably suck). Or if they insisted on this 3 way why not do a disputed finish at the Rumble where both Charlotte and Becky's feet hit at the same time? The problem is in the first step there: The fans weren't accepting the Becky heel turn or that Charlotte was a sympathetic face. THAT'S what propelled this whole thing. Becky's gripes were legitimate and wearing on the fanbase too. The map you set out is probably where we would be if they pushed back to the fan response and attempted to keep Becky heel and Charlotte face in spite of the crowd reactions.
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Post by anglarite on Mar 12, 2019 12:02:46 GMT -5
When people started to rally behind the Man gimmick because that's when creative decided "yeah, we have to make sure this is going into the right direction..."
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 12, 2019 16:29:19 GMT -5
There were better ways to turn Becky there. First off, pay off the chase with Becky standing triumphant over Carmella. Don't even involve Charlotte other than at best being there at ringside or doing commentary on the match. Charlotte challenges the winner, Becky accepts. Then at the next PPV Charlotte can win clean and then Becky snaps and destroys her after the match. In that scenario Charlotte has done nothing "wrong" and thus fans can feel Becky is a bad person. Instead Becky beats everyone during the summer, earns a title shot, only to have Charlotte randomly come in at the last minute and get inserted in for a 3 way after winning one non title match. And in the match itself Becky had Carmella dead to rights only for Charlotte to nail her from the blindside and steal the pin. WWE took so many steps to set up a logical Becky heel turn that it was in fact TOO logical to the point where anyone watching would identify with the person turning heel.
There is also this to consider with this current Becky deal. Given the storyline leg injury (and to some extent the arm) Becky almost cannot possibly have a watchable match. You have to be an all time amazing worker to sell a leg injury for months on end. We're talking Bret Hart or Randy Savage here. I'm hoping that at WM she comes down to the ring on crutches again, only to drop the crutch and reveal she's okay and then we have a decent match.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 12, 2019 21:27:00 GMT -5
There were better ways to turn Becky there. First off, pay off the chase with Becky standing triumphant over Carmella. Don't even involve Charlotte other than at best being there at ringside or doing commentary on the match. Charlotte challenges the winner, Becky accepts. Then at the next PPV Charlotte can win clean and then Becky snaps and destroys her after the match. In that scenario Charlotte has done nothing "wrong" and thus fans can feel Becky is a bad person. Instead Becky beats everyone during the summer, earns a title shot, only to have Charlotte randomly come in at the last minute and get inserted in for a 3 way after winning one non title match. And in the match itself Becky had Carmella dead to rights only for Charlotte to nail her from the blindside and steal the pin. WWE took so many steps to set up a logical Becky heel turn that it was in fact TOO logical to the point where anyone watching would identify with the person turning heel. There is also this to consider with this current Becky deal. Given the storyline leg injury (and to some extent the arm) Becky almost cannot possibly have a watchable match. You have to be an all time amazing worker to sell a leg injury for months on end. We're talking Bret Hart or Randy Savage here. I'm hoping that at WM she comes down to the ring on crutches again, only to drop the crutch and reveal she's okay and then we have a decent match.
I agree that might have made Becky get seen as more of a heel, but at the same time, her not winning at Summerslam was crucial in building up her hype (because she got all the benefits of all the breathless 'Charlotte really is female Roman!' speculation that flew around), and her winning the title from Charlotte at HIAC (then defending at Evolution) was much more satisfying than her just beating Carmella at Summerslam like she already had on SDL. For me the whole situation was a very good example of why you shouldn't always immediately give smarks what they want.
That said, I think they did a good job this week just having each woman promo and establish their points of view, even if Becky's promo was a bit too reliant on catchphrases for my liking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:31:17 GMT -5
I don't mind Charlotte being added, I just don't like how they did it. Vince just coming out and saying he wanted someone else in the match instead goes directly against what he said months ago about now only giving fans what they want. It's the same reason the Kofi storyline is being done poorly. Charlotte should've thrown a hissy fit after the Rumble and then cheated to beat Becky at EC with help from Nia Jax or something to make the WM match a triple threat. Becky could then squash Nia at Fastlane and wrap that little feud up.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 13, 2019 11:02:11 GMT -5
I don't mind Charlotte being added, I just don't like how they did it. Vince just coming out and saying he wanted someone else in the match instead goes directly against what he said months ago about now only giving fans what they want. It's the same reason the Kofi storyline is being done poorly. The problem is that Charlotte is what "Mr McMahon" thinks the fans want. That's the point. It's just that not every Vince appearance strictly follows kayfabe, confusing things for no reason.
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Post by chronocross on Mar 13, 2019 11:21:11 GMT -5
I thought the apology thing was really lame and where it started to go downhill for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 12:18:36 GMT -5
They added Charlotte because they didn’t have faith in Becky Lynch. That’s all. Charlottes addition makes sense because she never got her comeuppance from Ronda for beating the crap out of her. That’s something the WWE should have had resolved before turning Ronda heel. Also it’s pretty simple. WWE has a tough time building a PPV with three weeks between shows. Give them three months and they’re just lost. Exactly right. The WWE added Charlotte because their original plan was Ronda/Charlotte, and they only added Becky in there because she got hot. Last week people were arguing that Charlotte was added because the company didn’t have faith in Rousey, or that she’s too insecure, or too green, etc, but all of that is ridiculous because if Becky never got hot then it would have been Charlotte vs Ronda one on one right now. The company wanted Charlotte in the match all along, and they weren’t going to mess that up. Ultimately what went wrong with this feud is that the feud only exists so that it could go on last and make “history”. That’s it. If they took a more organic view of the storyline then they could have changed course and gone with Becky/Ronda one on one (like they did by taking advantage of the Kofi momentum). But they planned for Charlotte to be in this and for this to go on last probably a year ago. It wasn’t meant to be an organically built feud, and that’s a big reason for it suffering. All the other nonsense is just adding on to it.
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Post by masterthought on Mar 13, 2019 12:53:26 GMT -5
They added Charlotte because they didn’t have faith in Becky Lynch. That’s all. Charlottes addition makes sense because she never got her comeuppance from Ronda for beating the crap out of her. That’s something the WWE should have had resolved before turning Ronda heel. Also it’s pretty simple. WWE has a tough time building a PPV with three weeks between shows. Give them three months and they’re just lost. Ronda already got Charlotte back by tipping over the ladder at TLC. Ronda has barley brought up Charlotte since TLC. She obviously doesn't care about her or her beating her up in November. Charlotte makes no sense being in the match. Becky vs Ronda was big in November and didn't happen. Then it was about to happen again after the Rumble and the crowd was so hot but WWE killed it by this stupid storyline to get Charlotte in the match. I don't care what anyone says Becky vs Ronda would've gotten a better build then this shitty storyline the last 2 months to get a triple threat. Why? because no injury angle or suspension angle and no Becky and Charlotte on both shows.
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