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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 11, 2019 20:05:18 GMT -5
The time between RR and WM being way to f***ing long.
If they had half the time, it might have been done better. Plus it's been building since last fall.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 11, 2019 20:12:09 GMT -5
The time between RR and WM being way to f***ing long. If they had half the time, it might have been done better. Plus it's been building since last fall. And it didn’t get helped that they’ve been building things on both RAW and SmackDown. That’s one ace promo segment and 19 segments of glorified busy work.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 11, 2019 21:30:06 GMT -5
And even after all of this the narrative makes no sense.
Becky is suspended. Becky says "f*** that" But Vince never reprimands her. Never comes out and punishes or fires her. Even though HE suspended her. They never played up any dissension with HHH/Steph vs. Vince on the subject. Not to mention the nonsense of conspiracy theory Becky not wanting to go to the doctor. It's just been written horribly since Royal Rumble.
At this point it's not only convoluted, it's insulting. And I don't care about Twitter at all, I'm just talking about the shit Vince has control over. (even though I still suspect he's behind Ronda on Twitter due to the verbiage she uses that sounds like the usual Vince-speak)
Remember about a month ago when we were all told to stop being so cautious about Becky and just enjoy the ride by a bunch of people?
This is why we're cautious. Vince gonna Vince.
Silver lining? At least the people involved in the babyface pushes to title matches are fan favorites and not shoved down our throats like usual.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 11, 2019 21:33:46 GMT -5
When the storyline stopped being "can Becky beat Ronda" and started being "will the WWE have Becky go over Ronda?".
Treat your shit like the story matters and the fans will do the same. Drop this fake shoot BS. Wrestling is a worked shoot in it's own right. Stop overthinking it.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 11, 2019 22:23:51 GMT -5
How about this deal tonight? Rousey's promo framed the entire match as one where she desperately wants to kick the crap out of both Charlotte and Becky and thus deliberately allowed Becky into the match. This seems like a shift in the story from Becky being the central focus to Ronda now being the central focus, up against two despised enemies instead of one.
As I said earlier it's really all much ado about very little. It's to determine the Raw women's champion. So what if Charlotte gets her umpteenth title win? I suppose Becky has never won the Raw version, but is it that much different than winning the SD title? The whole point is to force feed a women's WM main event to justify the Women's Revolution, without especially noting that the title itself has no particular relevance or meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:42:38 GMT -5
Like everything else, overexposure.
They're constantly going at each other on social media or having some conflict on television. They don't know how to do a slow build on anything. Instead, they blow their wad and then keep trying to top themselves every week to maintain interest and then by the time they get to the PPV, it's practically played out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:47:50 GMT -5
I think the worst part of it is Becky being a trash talking one legged loser. Lost to Asuka, lost to Charlotte pretty much, yet she talks trash every step of the way like she's somehow in control of the situation. It's not as bad as when they had Zack Ryder rolling around in a wheelchair but it's not too far from it. Nothing wrong with Becky showing weakness, but the visual of her having been constantly injured since the start of the year is really pushing it.
I haven't watch any of Raw yet but I'm hopeful that now that Ronda's a heel, and Becky's officially in the match that they'll toughen Becky up a bit and build the match on being three tough chicks who hate each other and are about to have the fight of their lives. I don't think the feud has been as bad as most think, but it hasn't been that good, but I still like to hope that going into the home stretch that they'll clean it up somewhat.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 11, 2019 23:02:42 GMT -5
I think the worst part of it is Becky being a trash talking one legged loser. Lost to Asuka, lost to Charlotte pretty much, yet she talks trash every step of the way like she's somehow in control of the situation. It's not as bad as when they had Zack Ryder rolling around in a wheelchair but it's not too far from it. Nothing wrong with Becky showing weakness, but the visual of her having been constantly injured since the start of the year is really pushing it. Jeez, if Lynch is a loser, what does that make Charlotte? Charlotte has won only ONE TV match in the last three and a half months, and that was when Lynch got the submission fall at Tribute To The Troops on either Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville in a tag match, which you may as well say is non-canon. Hell, how many times has perfectly healthy Charlotte gotten laid out by the one-legged man in the lass-kicking contest? This is nowhere near Zack Ryder. Dude got NO upper hand in ANYTHING in that angle.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 11, 2019 23:16:22 GMT -5
Having Ronda in this the moment she lost her mind on Twitter. At that moment, the only correct thing to do was to change plans and make it Charlotte vs. Becky 1v1. Charlotte being in the match to begin with was the right move anyway but now there is one move that needs to be made and WWE won't do it because they still think Ronda's a draw.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 23:39:27 GMT -5
I think the worst part of it is Becky being a trash talking one legged loser. Lost to Asuka, lost to Charlotte pretty much, yet she talks trash every step of the way like she's somehow in control of the situation. It's not as bad as when they had Zack Ryder rolling around in a wheelchair but it's not too far from it. Nothing wrong with Becky showing weakness, but the visual of her having been constantly injured since the start of the year is really pushing it. Jeez, if Lynch is a loser, what does that make Charlotte? Charlotte has won only ONE TV match in the last three and a half months, and that was when Lynch got the submission fall at Tribute To The Troops on either Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville in a tag match, which you may as well say is non-canon. Hell, how many times has perfectly healthy Charlotte gotten laid out by the one-legged man in the lass-kicking contest? This is nowhere near Zack Ryder. Dude got NO upper hand in ANYTHING in that angle. Charlotte's failures are less egregious to me from a booking standpoint because she's a heel, and she's not being sold as someone who's earned her spot, she's a weasel and an agitator. With Becky, ever since the Royal Rumble, the longer she's hobbling around on those crutches, the worse she looks, because her whole sales pitch is that she's Ronda's biggest threat to date, and the way she talks with such confidence when this injury seemingly has no end in sight over time makes her look more delusional than tough. Like that segment where Charlotte and Ronda just stood there while Becky limped to the ring for ten minutes and they let her get free shots on them with a crutch made the two of them look stupid and made her look kind of helpless. It's the most unnecessary detail of all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 23:44:52 GMT -5
Tonight's segment was... in theory a step in the right direction but it's pretty hard to be invested given just how bad Ronda actually is at this. Conceptually that was a fine promo, but with her talking 90 miles a minute and then Dana coming out and demonstrating some horrifically bad acting before a not very impressive beatdown - on a show that had like 80 of them at that - it didn't exactly do a lot to reignite my interest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 1:06:40 GMT -5
When they faked a knee injury for Becky and dragged it out for months
When the McMahon’s thought the feud couldn’t possibly survive without their involvement
When they added Charlotte into the mix
When Rousey took it upon herself to expose the business on Twitter when Becky was trying to hype a match the “normal” way
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 12, 2019 3:40:38 GMT -5
Adding Charlotte period. I said this a couple of months ago but to me it was just one too many times of shoehorning Charlotte into a Becky match for no good reason other than a nepotism push. Having the match last night would be okay but it needed to be a pure #1 contender deal with Becky winning. The dilemma is that there's just too much TV to fill and thus you have to do all sorts of wacky storylines. Even still there could be a story in Charlotte being this unworthy chick that gets all of these matches but that isn't the story they want to tell. We're supposed to think she's just the bestest woman on earth and deserving of everything.Say what? Charlotte was added into the match by a heel Vince as a heel move. That’s exactly the story they’re telling.
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Post by theironyuppie on Mar 12, 2019 6:53:28 GMT -5
I think the worst part of it is Becky being a trash talking one legged loser. Lost to Asuka, lost to Charlotte pretty much, yet she talks trash every step of the way like she's somehow in control of the situation. It's not as bad as when they had Zack Ryder rolling around in a wheelchair but it's not too far from it. Nothing wrong with Becky showing weakness, but the visual of her having been constantly injured since the start of the year is really pushing it. Jeez, if Lynch is a loser, what does that make Charlotte? Charlotte has won only ONE TV match in the last three and a half months, and that was when Lynch got the submission fall at Tribute To The Troops on either Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville in a tag match, which you may as well say is non-canon. Hell, how many times has perfectly healthy Charlotte gotten laid out by the one-legged man in the lass-kicking contest? This is nowhere near Zack Ryder. Dude got NO upper hand in ANYTHING in that angle.
Plus she hasn't won a house show match since December 9th.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Mar 12, 2019 6:58:39 GMT -5
Super hot angle, one of the few WWE things I was interested in. It’s preshow level now. Thank God there’s so many other good things to watch, especially that weekend.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Mar 12, 2019 7:36:48 GMT -5
How about this deal tonight? Rousey's promo framed the entire match as one where she desperately wants to kick the crap out of both Charlotte and Becky and thus deliberately allowed Becky into the match. This seems like a shift in the story from Becky being the central focus to Ronda now being the central focus, up against two despised enemies instead of one. I disagree that it's a fundamental shift in the story. It's the story as far as one character is concerned - the story from Ronda's perspective. You still have the story from Becky's perspective (the groundswell of support pushing The Man forward, taking no prisoners, looking to overcome WWE's "big bad" while maneuvering around Shoehorn Charlotte) and Charlotte's perspective (a history-making match that she is ENTITLED to). I suspect we'll get better framings for the two of them tonight on Smackdown, but the story did NOT become "Ronda's story".
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 12, 2019 7:50:06 GMT -5
Just goes to show that under no circumstances should anyone called McMahon ever again be featured on television in a leadership role.
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 12, 2019 8:09:54 GMT -5
Yes, Charlotte being added by Vince was at the time meant to be a dick move, but since then the announcers have not put this over. If anything they have actually justified Charlotte's involvement with lines like "Why yes, she's the Queen. Of course she deserves to be there! But so does Becky!" Aside from 1 night they are not telling the story that Charlotte is a total fraud that has no business being in the match. In fact her W/L record is worse than I imagined. I thought she at least maimed the Iconics on SD or something in the past couple of months.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 12, 2019 10:24:57 GMT -5
Yes, Charlotte being added by Vince was at the time meant to be a dick move, but since then the announcers have not put this over. If anything they have actually justified Charlotte's involvement with lines like "Why yes, she's the Queen. Of course she deserves to be there! But so does Becky!" Aside from 1 night they are not telling the story that Charlotte is a total fraud that has no business being in the match. In fact her W/L record is worse than I imagined. I thought she at least maimed the Iconics on SD or something in the past couple of months. The video package at Fastlane talked about how Charlotte was put in there by Vince to hold Becky down. The announcers just put Charlotte over as a threat because she is.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 12, 2019 10:32:32 GMT -5
Yes, Charlotte being added by Vince was at the time meant to be a dick move, but since then the announcers have not put this over. If anything they have actually justified Charlotte's involvement with lines like "Why yes, she's the Queen. Of course she deserves to be there! But so does Becky!" Aside from 1 night they are not telling the story that Charlotte is a total fraud that has no business being in the match. In fact her W/L record is worse than I imagined. I thought she at least maimed the Iconics on SD or something in the past couple of months. Yeah, that was the SmackDown after Survivor Series where she beat Kay, then had Royce beat in an impromptu match straight after only for Kay to cause the DQ, then she laid them both out.
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