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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 16, 2019 19:33:41 GMT -5
In hindsight, Starrcade 1995 should have been Savage vs. Hogan, even if it were face vs. face. Randy wins the title at WW3, but Hogan undermined that win by bitching about how Randy's win was tained. But Randy got no payback. Rumor and innuendo was that Savage won the battle royal in a clean way but Hogan changed the finish. |
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Post by Eddie Brock on Mar 16, 2019 19:55:21 GMT -5
Savage jumping to WCW post-SummerSlam 1992 would've been interesting. Savage vs. Austin, Pillman, Vader in 1992/1993 would've all rocked. Throw a Savage/Sting match in there, and they can finish the Roberts/Savage feud with a proper main event (I'm thinking Halloween Havoc 1992). Savage should've made the jump after he lost the title to Flair.
Despite throwing him a bone with the Crush feud Vince pretty much felt Savage's in-ring career was over by that point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 10:29:59 GMT -5
Watched this video over the weekend, and boy does retrospect really make his WCW look even worse than it really was. Ouch. Was he ever in Hogan's shadow.
I don't think his career was over and he still had something to offer (Savage/DDP alone proves that); as with many people, with better management he could've thrived in WCW after 1994. But in a Hogan controlled WCW.......nope.
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Post by corndog on Mar 18, 2019 12:31:33 GMT -5
Not his glory days for sure, but still some great stuff. 1. The paranoid member of the alliance between himself, Hogan, Sting and Luger who always accused Luger of being two faced. 2. The rogue member of the nWo who was constantly getting into conflicts with the rest of the group. 3. The night he sat in the ring for the first half hour of Nitro and refused to leave. 4. The DDP feud. 5. Dream matches with Sting, Bret Hart, Luger, Booker T etc that we would never have gotten if he remained semi-retired in WWE. I agree with all of this, and I am glad Savage had his WCW run. I haven't watched the video and sure Savage got held back because of Hogan, but I loved the DDP feud and I liked his matches with Sting. Even though Bret's WCW run was pretty weak, Savage definitely got one of the better matches out of him. I certainly don't think Savage was phoning it in like some of the others. Although Savage should have retired after the knee injury, he was never the same in the ring, even though mid-life crisis Savage was interesting. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 18, 2019 20:20:26 GMT -5
It’s a weird thing that happened. Randy went to wcw because he didn’t want to retire but by doing so he spent the rest of his career being Hogan’s lackey.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 18, 2019 21:28:40 GMT -5
It’s a weird thing that happened. Randy went to wcw because he didn’t want to retire but by doing so he spent the rest of his career being Hogan’s lackey. That's a corrupt-a-wish if I ever saw one. Also this video reminded me of why I've always loathed Hogan since I was a wee lad. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 18, 2019 21:32:10 GMT -5
Savage in WCW did give us Miss Madness, so I will write the whole thing off as a net gain.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 18, 2019 22:02:05 GMT -5
It’s a weird thing that happened. Randy went to wcw because he didn’t want to retire but by doing so he spent the rest of his career being Hogan’s lackey. That's a corrupt-a-wish if I ever saw one. Also this video reminded me of why I've always loathed Hogan since I was a wee lad. Prichard said that Vince told Randy that he was their Babe Ruth and I think he wanted that treatment in wcw, unfortunately that doesn’t work for me brother... |
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Mar 18, 2019 22:13:02 GMT -5
That's a corrupt-a-wish if I ever saw one. Also this video reminded me of why I've always loathed Hogan since I was a wee lad. Prichard said that Vince told Randy that he was their Babe Ruth and I think he wanted that treatment in wcw, unfortunately that doesn’t work for me brother... Man, it's crazy to think about just how big Macho Man could've been had there been no Hogan. Dude was ahead of his time in so many ways. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 18, 2019 22:34:22 GMT -5
Prichard said that Vince told Randy that he was their Babe Ruth and I think he wanted that treatment in wcw, unfortunately that doesn’t work for me brother... Man, it's crazy to think about just how big Macho Man could've been had there been no Hogan. Dude was ahead of his time in so many ways. Like Maffew said in the early Botchamanias, “Savage’s legacy in four words, Hogan f***ed it up.” |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 19, 2019 2:53:39 GMT -5
I didn't think Savage going to WCW was bad because until he blew out his knee in 98, he was still giving good matches. He was 99 he came back juiced and his matches where not what they where. He was a lot slower. Was it to much muscle maybe but his knee may never been the same which in his 40's easy could been the case. Thinking about it, outside the elbow, he really didn't do the other spots he normally did.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 19, 2019 4:23:07 GMT -5
Still, the DDP feud was some pretty good stuff. Those matches are brilliant and stand out so much from the other stuff going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 8:54:14 GMT -5
I didn't think Savage going to WCW was bad because until he blew out his knee in 98, he was still giving good matches. He was 99 he came back juiced and his matches where not what they where. He was a lot slower. Was it to much muscle maybe but his knee may never been the same which in his 40's easy could been the case. Thinking about it, outside the elbow, he really didn't do the other spots he normally did. I think it was a combination of his knee and the fact that he was trying to reinvent himself as Attitude Era Macho which was not the Macho that we all knew and loved. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 19, 2019 10:18:25 GMT -5
Boy if we all thought mid life crisis Macho was pathetic, let’s not ever discuss his tna run  |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 19, 2019 10:24:15 GMT -5
Still, the DDP feud was some pretty good stuff. The funniest part is that Page only beat Savage 1 on 1 once (unless you count him doing the La Parka ruse), but even in losing to Savage a few times, the matches were so damn crisp that it put Page over like crazy. That feud should be used as the shining example of how to put someone over |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -5
Still, the DDP feud was some pretty good stuff. The funniest part is that Page only beat Savage 1 on 1 once (unless you count him doing the La Parka ruse), but even in losing to Savage a few times, the matches were so damn crisp that it put Page over like crazy. That feud should be used as the shining example of how to put someone over And if Vince had let Randy have his way, he would have done those honors for Vince's boy Shawn and we might be talking about that instead of DDP. I'm sort of glad history happened the way it happened though. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 19, 2019 10:49:51 GMT -5
The funniest part is that Page only beat Savage 1 on 1 once (unless you count him doing the La Parka ruse), but even in losing to Savage a few times, the matches were so damn crisp that it put Page over like crazy. That feud should be used as the shining example of how to put someone over And if Vince had let Randy have his way, he would have done those honors for Vince's boy Shawn and we might be talking about that instead of DDP. I'm sort of glad history happened the way it happened though. |
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Mar 19, 2019 15:26:11 GMT -5
What still decent mobility he had was gone, though. Good look, yeah, but the wrestling (which he'd always been very mindful of) greatly suffered. His fantastic top robe elbow became "guy who could fall off the top rope pretty well trying to flex his arm for an elbow and only sorta make it" Nah I just wanna have that glorious beard, the hat, be all muscular (roided up) and have three hot women follow me around when I’m fifty. OHHHH YEAAAAHHHH! As long as you go out in a blaze of glory like Herb Abrams afterwards.... |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 19, 2019 15:30:12 GMT -5
Should have stayed in WWE.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 19, 2019 15:32:35 GMT -5
Nah I just wanna have that glorious beard, the hat, be all muscular (roided up) and have three hot women follow me around when I’m fifty. OHHHH YEAAAAHHHH! As long as you go out in a blaze of glory like Herb Abrams afterwards.... There’s no other way. Roided up, coked up, and with a skullet. |
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