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Post by Mister Pigwell on Mar 19, 2019 23:00:44 GMT -5
Just reading the story updates, kinda needless but it's not a terible ride. I'm looking forward to the week to week advancement which isn't something I've felt about WWE in forever.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 19, 2019 23:07:31 GMT -5
New Day's definitely switching shit up next week. They're fed up. I feel like we're literally one segment away from them namedropping All Elite Wrestling. "One call to our man Kenny", like. |
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Post by chazraps on Mar 19, 2019 23:12:03 GMT -5
A Live Sex Celebration. Who's in it? You'll have to tune in to find out! Spoiler: It's Big E and a pancake. Most people are content with foreplay. Big E wants Fiveplay. |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 19, 2019 23:12:16 GMT -5
New Day's definitely switching shit up next week. They're fed up. I feel like we're literally one segment away from them namedropping All Elite Wrestling. "One call to our man Kenny", like. Judging by how happy they seem to be with dropping kayfabe pretenses, I wouldn’t be surprised. |
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Post by RKTaker on Mar 19, 2019 23:13:29 GMT -5
Steph interrupts Vince and gives him a Snickers causing him to see the error of his ways and give Kofi the match. didn't kazarian have a case of the snickers? |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 19, 2019 23:13:41 GMT -5
I think this is another one of those cases of WWE not understanding why something was good and what made it work and what people liked about it. The Daniel Bryan rise was a situation where they had such a f***y mess of ideas and "kill the momentum, keep going with our plan" booking decisions that the only way to get him to the title involved overbooking the whole thing and having Bryan conquer all three obstacles in his way. They're trying to recreate that same indecisive uncertainty but it's so much less satisfying to give us these twists because it doesn't need it. If Kofi had just won the gauntlet and Bryan jumped him after the match that would have been probably more effective and also given us more time to set up the personal stakes between them. It feels like they can't book a simple story so everything has to be f***ed with and overbooked just for the sake of overbooking it. What more personal stakes can you get than Daniel "Yes Movement" Bryan personally putting the bullet in Kofi's Wrestlemania dream? Kofi's destination isn't really in doubt but there's still the question of how Kofi is gonna get there. If Kofi won the thing and got his ass kicked right after, conceptually that sounds a lot flatter than what happened. Like if you're gonna have him succeed, give him the moment. I don't think there was a right or wrong answer with the gauntlet, you can have him win and take his victory lap all the way to Wrestlemania, or screw him out of it and have him fight his way there like they seem to be doing. This angle has been very good for a long time to not at least allow this to play out a little longer before we call it a wash. It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 19, 2019 23:28:16 GMT -5
What more personal stakes can you get than Daniel "Yes Movement" Bryan personally putting the bullet in Kofi's Wrestlemania dream? Kofi's destination isn't really in doubt but there's still the question of how Kofi is gonna get there. If Kofi won the thing and got his ass kicked right after, conceptually that sounds a lot flatter than what happened. Like if you're gonna have him succeed, give him the moment. I don't think there was a right or wrong answer with the gauntlet, you can have him win and take his victory lap all the way to Wrestlemania, or screw him out of it and have him fight his way there like they seem to be doing. This angle has been very good for a long time to not at least allow this to play out a little longer before we call it a wash. It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. It really feels like they wanted Kofi's struggle to the title match to mirror Becky's, but they didn't consider how to write anything after the dueling Vince segment, so Vince has stuck around this angle for longer than he should have, |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 19, 2019 23:36:53 GMT -5
It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. It really feels like they wanted Kofi's struggle to the title match to mirror Becky's, but they didn't consider how to write anything after the dueling Vince segment, so Vince has stuck around this angle for longer than he should have, I think the lack of any actual long-term idea of how to make this work also hugely contributed to what we're seeing here. There's a much sharper way to write this story than what they're doing, but they're going on it seemingly week by week; by the time Elimination Chamber happened in 2014, they clearly knew where Bryan was going by then, and the story flowed much better. Obviously this change wasn't on the books by EC, but there's still little reason to try telling such a complicated and convoluted story with no planning on short notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 23:52:28 GMT -5
What more personal stakes can you get than Daniel "Yes Movement" Bryan personally putting the bullet in Kofi's Wrestlemania dream? Kofi's destination isn't really in doubt but there's still the question of how Kofi is gonna get there. If Kofi won the thing and got his ass kicked right after, conceptually that sounds a lot flatter than what happened. Like if you're gonna have him succeed, give him the moment. I don't think there was a right or wrong answer with the gauntlet, you can have him win and take his victory lap all the way to Wrestlemania, or screw him out of it and have him fight his way there like they seem to be doing. This angle has been very good for a long time to not at least allow this to play out a little longer before we call it a wash. It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. I don't think their alliance has to be particularly organized. They're two heels who want the same thing for their own selfish reasons. Bryan's ducking the challenger that is killing everybody, and Vince is too stubborn to let the fun loving pancake guy be on the WrestleMania marquee. Bryan isn't the "Corporate Champion" but he's a bonafied main eventer and proven box office guy. Vince's only skin in this game is that he wants movers and shakers in main events. I think there's room in this story for both angles. I'm really into how they've portrayed Kofi as being so crestfallen by Vince's oppression and how he relentlessly tried to earn his spot "the right way" even though the deck was so arbitrarily stacked against him. As if he just didn't want to believe the prejudice against him was real that he's allowed himself to get strung along this far, and now it's undeniable after what Vince did tonight. I find it much more interesting than just having it be a typical "heel champ dodges hot baby face" feud. The issues they have Kofi wrestling with here feels much more layered, which I don't think you could achieve if it were just Daniel Bryan's meddling that was in his way. |
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 20, 2019 0:56:55 GMT -5
The whole thing feels so overbooked and convoluted, at a time when simplicity is called for, that I wonder if Vince is simply handing AEW his business.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Mar 20, 2019 0:57:41 GMT -5
I honestly think based off the New Day video - Kofi is going to quit next week. He's going to claim that he doesn't want to do this anymore and it's all because of Vince doing everything he can to hold him down. Before he leaves, New Day comes out to try to stop him. New Day realize they can't convince him otherwise so they decide to quit too. Then Usos come out and say they may be rivals but they've always respected Kofi. They then say they're quitting too and taking the Tag Titles with them. Mustafa Ali then comes out and quits claiming he tried his hardest to be someone the fans can love but realized he joined a company that would hold him down too. Then R-Truth and Carmella come out and quit just to join in. Soon we see Asuka, Naomi, Heavy Machinery, Ricochet, Black, The Club, Mysterio, Owens and even Miz come out who say they plan to quit too. Finally, Styles comes out and denounces McMahon and says "I guess I'll take my ELITE ass elsewhere!"
Eventually Vince comes out and realizes he would have to completely overhaul WrestleMania if his entire roster quits and gives in giving Kofi the title match.
Then the week after Bryan does an incredible promo about how Kofi is copying him from WM30 and the result will be the same except he won't get a title run, his career will just end and he won't be coming back from it like Bryan did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:03:55 GMT -5
I honestly think based off the New Day video - Kofi is going to quit next week. He's going to claim that he doesn't want to do this anymore and it's all because of Vince doing everything he can to hold him down. Before he leaves, New Day comes out to try to stop him. New Day realize they can't convince him otherwise so they decide to quit too. Then Usos come out and say they may be rivals but they've always respected Kofi. They then say they're quitting too and taking the Tag Titles with them. Mustafa Ali then comes out and quits claiming he tried his hardest to be someone the fans can love but realized he joined a company that would hold him down too. Then R-Truth and Carmella come out and quit just to join in. Soon we see Asuka, Naomi, Heavy Machinery, Ricochet, Black, The Club, Mysterio, Owens and even Miz come out who say they plan to quit too. Finally, Styles comes out and denounces McMahon and says "I guess I'll take my ELITE ass elsewhere!" Eventually Vince comes out and realizes he would have to completely overhaul WrestleMania if his entire roster quits and gives in giving Kofi the title match. Then the week after Bryan does an incredible promo about how Kofi is copying him from WM30 and the result will be the same except he won't get a title run, his career will just end and he won't be coming back from it like Bryan did. That's something similar to what I think. I'm not sure if they'll quit but I think we'll see something where all the faces rally behind Kofi forcing Vince to put him in the match similar to Bryan 5 years ago. That would be great. |
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Post by Venti on Mar 20, 2019 1:31:09 GMT -5
Weren't people complaining about WWE not booking more in-depth storylines, now everyone is mad because the stories aren't simple enough?
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Post by BoomPeriod on Mar 20, 2019 1:34:00 GMT -5
There's only one way to solve this. New Day fights for the right of Kofi to be in the WWE title match at mania in a DOOMSDAY CAGE MATCH!
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Post by Starshine on Mar 20, 2019 1:48:14 GMT -5
Weren't people complaining about WWE not booking more in-depth storylines, now everyone is mad because the stories aren't simple enough? But this is already a pretty simple story as it is. To go back to the beginning, Kofi wins a match for the title shot. Vince says "no." Then Kofi asks for the match straight up. Vince says "sure." But then says "lol no, not you." Finally Kofi wins a gauntlet match for another shot. Vince says "no" and adds an extra guy last minute to further block him out. It's the same thing on repeat, just with slight variations. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Mar 20, 2019 1:59:13 GMT -5
I think this is another one of those cases of WWE not understanding why something was good and what made it work and what people liked about it. The Daniel Bryan rise was a situation where they had such a f***y mess of ideas and "kill the momentum, keep going with our plan" booking decisions that the only way to get him to the title involved overbooking the whole thing and having Bryan conquer all three obstacles in his way. They're trying to recreate that same indecisive uncertainty but it's so much less satisfying to give us these twists because it doesn't need it. If Kofi had just won the gauntlet and Bryan jumped him after the match that would have been probably more effective and also given us more time to set up the personal stakes between them. It feels like they can't book a simple story so everything has to be f***ed with and overbooked just for the sake of overbooking it. Also the idea that the audience constantly has to fight for their guy is EXHAUSTING. Sometimes I just wanna cheer the guy I think is cool without feeling like if I didn't clap til my hands bled then his push would go to Hossy McVinceBoner. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 3:17:50 GMT -5
New Day's definitely switching shit up next week. They're fed up. My favorite part is how they just left all their shit in the locker room back there and didn't change their clothes. Like, where the f*** they going? They don't have their wallets or keys. lol |
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 20, 2019 6:16:47 GMT -5
There's so much continuity and callback to Bryan's storyline from five years ago. The New Day and the SDL faces are clearly going to do an Occupy Smackdown angle. They're going to have him win a match for his spot at Mania itself aren't they? My guess is it's going to be Owens to follow directly after Fastlane. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 20, 2019 6:43:19 GMT -5
I sort of wish that they didn't insist on having the whole "Vince is a racist" element, but I guess they're just leaning into what they know like 95% of their audience thinks anyway.
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Post by Talent Name on Mar 20, 2019 7:03:47 GMT -5
What if Kofi puts New Day on the line if he doesn't win, they break up
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