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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 20, 2019 7:17:39 GMT -5
How in the f*** can you strongly build to and advertise a match if you're this far out and don't have a card lined up? This isn't filler this is the f***ing WWE title, advertise your shit. Build to a story. It's like Vince has forgotten how to do his job. They dont have to sell PPVs anymore. Huge weight off their shoulders in terms of actually having to sell shows. This is why the build is so mediocre nowadays. They would NEVER have built Cena vs Taker the way they did in the PPV era.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 20, 2019 7:20:18 GMT -5
How in the f*** can you strongly build to and advertise a match if you're this far out and don't have a card lined up? This isn't filler this is the f***ing WWE title, advertise your shit. Build to a story. It's like Vince has forgotten how to do his job. They dont have to sell PPVs anymore. Huge weight off their shoulders in terms of actually having to sell shows. This is why the build is so mediocre nowadays. They would NEVER have built Cena vs Taker the way they did in the PPV era. Yeah, but what we got was hilarious. Half-Drunk Cena getting his ass waxed was golden.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 20, 2019 7:22:05 GMT -5
This is idiotic on so many levels. 1-What does Vince have against Kofi? There’s no storyline context or reason for any of this. Kofi’s character isn’t some anti authority rebel who has had interactions with Vince. He’s a company guy for over a decade who’s universally respected. Whether it’s their intention or not Vince having it in for Kofi for seemingly no reason adds an uncomfortable racial dynamic that reeks of the Triple H/Booker T stuff and we know how THAT went. You know why Vince doesn't like Kofi. They won't say it but you KNOW what they're going for. SmackDown opens with New Day ragdolling Vince all around the backstage area. SDL next week is just gonna be the faces just busting up on all the heels. Vince is gonna have to beg lol. I think that's a bit of a stretch regarding Vince having it in for Kofi due to being black. Kofi is the only guy they have who you can do this story with because they've kept him almost completely out of the title picture for 11 years. So many other guys have been pushed into that scene and failed, left the company at some point or are now main event guys. Kofi has been there the whole time, and in kayfabe it blends with reality in that Mr McMahon doesn't see him as main event talent and is now putting him through the ringer to prove himself right. Again like I've said before, it's just perfect that he is facing a broken mirror in post WM30 Daniel Bryan.
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Post by KobashiChop on Mar 20, 2019 7:22:51 GMT -5
They dont have to sell PPVs anymore. Huge weight off their shoulders in terms of actually having to sell shows. This is why the build is so mediocre nowadays. They would NEVER have built Cena vs Taker the way they did in the PPV era. Yeah, but what we got was hilarious. Half-Drunk Cena getting his ass waxed was golden. Yeah it really was. I had zero complaints.
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Post by segaz on Mar 20, 2019 8:16:04 GMT -5
This is idiotic on so many levels. 2-SPEAKING OF ANTI AUTHORITY REBELS, Vince JUST had problems with Daniel Bryan! Like, they JUST recently had a dueling promo where Bryan was ranting about Vince. Why is Vince helping him?! Not to mention he didn’t want Bryan anywhere near the title years ago! 3-Ok, if Vince is so deadest on Kofi not being the challenger THEN WHO IS BECAUSE WRESTLEMANIA IS IN TWO f***ING WEEKS AND THERES NO WWE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH. You’re in charge, just pick someone else if you hate him so damn much! Well, I guess WM XV had similar shenanigans leading up to it, with title changes and such....
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Post by Pierre the Renaissance Man on Mar 20, 2019 8:18:39 GMT -5
New Day's definitely switching shit up next week. They're fed up. This has actually turned me around on the New Day a little. I still don’t like them but if they’re gonna be more serious like this than I can tolerate them. I still really don’t wanna see Kofi won at Mania. He just doesn’t do much for me.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 20, 2019 8:22:42 GMT -5
They dont have to sell PPVs anymore. Huge weight off their shoulders in terms of actually having to sell shows. This is why the build is so mediocre nowadays. They would NEVER have built Cena vs Taker the way they did in the PPV era. Yeah, but what we got was hilarious. Half-Drunk Cena getting his ass waxed was golden. Not to mention Cena's over the top expressions with every cutaway. Dude looked like the sidekick in Samurai Cop during the nurse scene.
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Post by Andy Martin on Mar 20, 2019 8:25:26 GMT -5
And here I was hoping Kofi would win only to have Vince come out and say “Congratulations Kofi, you’re going to WRRREESSSSTLEMANIAAA” only for him to present him with a physical ticket to Wrestlemania.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 20, 2019 8:27:21 GMT -5
It's going to be known as the Pancake Rebellion.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Mar 20, 2019 8:27:59 GMT -5
Batista shows up next week and yells “gimme what I want!” at Vince until Kofi is reinstated.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 20, 2019 10:48:31 GMT -5
What more personal stakes can you get than Daniel "Yes Movement" Bryan personally putting the bullet in Kofi's Wrestlemania dream? Kofi's destination isn't really in doubt but there's still the question of how Kofi is gonna get there. If Kofi won the thing and got his ass kicked right after, conceptually that sounds a lot flatter than what happened. Like if you're gonna have him succeed, give him the moment. I don't think there was a right or wrong answer with the gauntlet, you can have him win and take his victory lap all the way to Wrestlemania, or screw him out of it and have him fight his way there like they seem to be doing. This angle has been very good for a long time to not at least allow this to play out a little longer before we call it a wash. It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. This is the best take I've read about this. And the thing is, WWE is trying to do what you're saying. Besides the obvious point of Bryan being the one to end Kofi's hope, I think Bryon said something like "Bryan has been in Vince's ear" when the last minute twist was announced. As if to suggest that it's Bryan who is pulling the strings. Kofi is feuding with Bryan. This is the feud. WWE just isn't doing the best job at establishing the link between Vince and Bryan. It's less 'subtle' and more 'haphazard.'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:04:42 GMT -5
As many of us suspected, they're clearly going the racial route without saying it.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 20, 2019 11:06:36 GMT -5
So the angle is that Vince is an out of touch racist? They really are blurring lines.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 20, 2019 11:08:50 GMT -5
Next week? This will get resolved midway through The Longest WrestleMania In History.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:10:07 GMT -5
The thing that takes me most out of this story for as good as it is by replicating Dbrys journey...is that Kofi's claim to never getting a shot at the WWE title is well a.....lie Twice Three times...although semantics one will say this is for the world title and not WWE And counting the most recent it is 4 times But something something audience have memories like goldfish
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:38:47 GMT -5
The thing that takes me most out of this story for as good as it is by replicating Dbrys journey...is that Kofi's claim to never getting a shot at the WWE title is well a.....lie Twice Three times...although semantics one will say this is for the world title and not WWE And counting the most recent it is 4 times But something something audience have memories like goldfish Kofi's never said he's never had a shot for the world title, he's said that his title shots have been slim and you can count them on 1 hand.
When superstars say they've never had a shot for the title world they're talking about in single's matches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 11:46:02 GMT -5
The thing that takes me most out of this story for as good as it is by replicating Dbrys journey...is that Kofi's claim to never getting a shot at the WWE title is well a.....lie Twice Three times...although semantics one will say this is for the world title and not WWE And counting the most recent it is 4 times But something something audience have memories like goldfish Kofi's never said he's never had a shot for the world title, he's said that his title shots have been slim and you can count them on 1 hand.
When superstars say they've never had a shot for the title world they're talking about in single's matches.
Fair enough I do not watch the youtube exclusives , I was going by the promo he had against Vince in the ring where all they kept trying to hammer home was Kofi never got a shot at the WWE title in which both Kofi and Big E repeat numerous times as if this is his first real shot at the title.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 20, 2019 11:47:21 GMT -5
It's that I think there's ways to do this without the screwjob gauntlet finish; I think there's Bryan being a weasel running off to Vince and trying to get the match cut off, for instance. I think that Bryan personally killing off Kofi's dream is exactly what should be the focus and I feel like all of the "Vince actively f***ing him over" stuff is detracting from that. I'd really rather see a version of this feud where Bryan is the heel driving all the opposition against him and playing the system to try and shut Kofi down than Vince doing shit like what happened at Fastlane. There's just too much of a disconnect here for me; Bryan isn't positioned as a corporate champion or as someone Vince respects and wants on top, his entire character stands against so much of what a billionaire CEO like Vince is. If Bryan were manipulating his way to trying to kill off Kofi's shot and in some way had Vince's ear or had leverage against it, I think that would be more effective for bringing things together, as it stands we have Vince hating Kofi, Bryan also hating Kofi, and no real overlap in reason or purpose, so the alliance comes off disjointed, where when Bryan was in this position every antagonist in his way made sense and related to the same overall struggle. This is the best take I've read about this. And the thing is, WWE is trying to do what you're saying. Besides the obvious point of Bryan being the one to end Kofi's hope, I think Bryon said something like "Bryan has been in Vince's ear" when the last minute twist was announced. As if to suggest that it's Bryan who is pulling the strings. Kofi is feuding with Bryan. This is the feud. WWE just isn't doing the best job at establishing the link between Vince and Bryan. It's less 'subtle' and more 'haphazard.' Yeah, speaking as a non-regular viewer that feels like the situation from the outside looking in; to me the key to pro wrestling is almost always taking two fully formed character and seeing how their differences in personality, in-ring style, etc., lead to conflict, and the money in an angle like this is in the Bryan vs. Kofi conflict where you have the "broken mirror" Bryan holding back someone who's riding the type of wave he did back at WM 30, while Kofi is a guy who wasn't even trying to gain this momentum, he's the everyman who finds that his abilities have put him in an extraordinary situation where he'll prove he's more than he's been given credit for over the years. That doesn't mean Vince can't have a role in that: I think playing on the "there's never been a black WWE champion" reality with subtlety works, and the initial promo where Vince wasn't being malicious but was still reinforcing the glass ceiling worked. But the money is in Bryan vs. Kofi; casual fans will come in to watch Mania, and not having the conflict over the WWE title between these two characters thoroughly established for those casual fans is not the best idea, not when you're under two weeks out from the show and currently there's no WWE title match booked (in kayfabe).
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 20, 2019 12:12:17 GMT -5
That doesn't mean Vince can't have a role in that: I think playing on the "there's never been a black WWE champion" reality with subtlety works, and the initial promo where Vince wasn't being malicious but was still reinforcing the glass ceiling worked. Yeah, I really loved how calm and quiet Vince was in his rejection of Kofi last week. That's how institutional racism tends to work - he can like Kofi just fine, he can love Kofi, but he can still never be 'the guy.' I understand those who are frustrated with the story's missteps, but there's a lot of really compelling stuff from all involved.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 20, 2019 13:04:27 GMT -5
As many of us suspected, they're clearly going the racial route without saying it. Yeah it's most definitely a "Vince is out of touch and racist" angle now. I'd be easier about it if the son-in-law wasn't in an angle 16 years ago where he acted similar to Booker T... and won convincingly.
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