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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Mar 28, 2019 9:35:15 GMT -5
Basically, it doesn't depend on Becky or Charlotte's storylines or who they are to the company, it all depends on Ronda's contracting status.
Then take her out of the f***ing match already if she's that big of a variable on top of being a f***ing headcase.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 9:41:14 GMT -5
Basically, it doesn't depend on Becky or Charlotte's storylines or who they are to the company, it all depends on Ronda's contracting status.
Then take her out of the f***ing match already if she's that big of a variable on top of being a f***ing headcase. She really needs to be because she's basically pulling a Lesnar. With the Heyman influence, contracting issues and control over programs, that's what Lesnar does.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 28, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
You gotta have SOME storyline twists here and there, otherwise wrestling just becomes MMA with a script. Honestly, UFC has been eating WWE's lunch in terms of PPVs and whatnot for years now, and WWE has been largely unable to write compelling storylines within their own fictional universe for close to two decades now. Would this really be the worst idea in the world? Would WWE finally abandoning the hokey remnants of kayfabe they so stubbornly cling to - screwjobs and corrupt authority figures and feuds that just never, ever end - in favor of a sports-like presentation be a bad thing? There's an article that the website Work of Wrestling did last year, which I'll link to here: workofwrestling.com/the-mcmahon-behind-the-curtain-0Regardless of what you think of the particulars (opinions on the Roman/Brock feud were largely negative, and some of the ideas presented sort of undermine the idea of having wrestling matches at all), I think the article's central thesis is overall a good idea. Establishing a new kayfabe that more closely aligns with reality, rather than the needlessly convoluted shit-awful storytelling WWE attempts, would be a shot in the arm and might actually make the product feel vital and enjoyable again. I'm going to read that article, but just going by what you're saying here I think it's part of why puro is getting a new lease on life in the States in recent years - the "sports-like" presentation over there (well, in the more 'mainstream' promotions, at least) doesn't remove the theatrics of pro wrestling, it doesn't prevent there being promos or characters, it doesn't detract from the drama involved. If anything, allowing characters to be expressed in the ring and stories to be told via how matches are wrestled give greater depth to the proceedings, even as the storytelling is less complex or convoluted, however you prefer to view it. The money in all of this was in having two well-built, protected characters clash with one another: Becky Lynch, the underdog antihero who's tired of waiting in line and who's proven her tough girl bone fides, against Ronda Rousey, the undefeated machine with UFC credentials. Frankly, little more than that was needed, but it doesn't mean that there would be nothing to build to that eventual match. The problem is that "build" in WWE seems too often to mean "do more 10+ minute promos", "add in more gimmicks", "put an authority figure in there", "let's break kayfabe completely", etc. Obviously you don't want to go too far in the other direction, either, where you'd introduce the match and then just do nearly nothing with either woman until Wrestlemania, but there's a pretty bright, clear area between those two poles that tons of promotions around the world manage to exist in fairly easily - sure, go ahead and run training montages or whatever, but also include longer form, more in-depth one on one interviews, or include them in preview matches where they only interact for a short amount of time to tease the audience, and to tease what kind of approach each woman has to take if they want to get an advantage on the other. Show us these two fully formed characters interacting, playing off one another, and then having to make choices and perform actions based on the dynamics at play between them. This is because, ultimately, the marquee will say "Becky Lynch and Ronda Rousey are going to be wrestling one another" - every creative decision has to be made in service of ensuring that that proposition sells tickets and generates interest, something that's not done with all the absurd add-ons that do more to distract from the marquee than to direct attention toward it.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 28, 2019 10:31:34 GMT -5
Yep, Charlotte's here as a helper ultimately. She understands her role in this. That’s SDL Women’s Champion Mania Helper. Well the way I see she is not helping much anyway ,everything started to go down with her being added. For me its like adding minus with minus,its just a bigger minus. She never even interacted with Ronda since being added ,they were in the same segments but it was always interacting with becky
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Post by schma on Mar 28, 2019 13:16:19 GMT -5
I sincerely hope they aren't really considering Becky and Charlotte continuing their feud. It's been going since Summerslam and at one point was absolutely fantastic but this is the place to end it for the foreseeable future. Get them away from each other for a while. Also, Becky pinning Charlotte kind of makes the past three months pointless as we're back to square one except now Charlotte has a new record. Even if Ronda is staying, Becky should beat her. There are so many ways this could be great for Ronda's character on top of the obvious reasons I want Becky to win.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2019 14:58:59 GMT -5
If Becky doesn't win this match, it defeats the purpose of putting this in the main event
Becky needs to win, Ronda goes away for a good min and Charlotte remains on SD
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 28, 2019 15:09:57 GMT -5
The flaw is that it doesnt work like that.Charlotte winning the SD title from Asuka doesnt make we want to see more Charlotte or see her lose.It just makes fan associate more Charlotte with ruining stories and push,which ends with people wanting to avoid Charlotte,while adding nothing to the title match. Not all negative feedback is heat So...Charlotte is the female Baron Corbin? KIDDING!! ...maybe... You know full well that Shayna Baszler is Sharon Corbin
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2019 15:10:16 GMT -5
Then take her out of the f***ing match already if she's that big of a variable on top of being a f***ing headcase. She really needs to be because she's basically pulling a Lesnar. With the Heyman influence, contacting issues and control over programs, that's what Lesnar does. Seems like she got full of herself or i'm guessing started listening to Heyman
When she came in, she was just doing her shit but the 2nd half of her run has just been and hit misses and it's way more misses to the point she's proving why people had a negative light of her coming into WWE
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Post by repomark on Mar 28, 2019 15:12:40 GMT -5
Becky beating Ronnie is the entire point of this; let’s just do that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 15:20:33 GMT -5
She really needs to be because she's basically pulling a Lesnar. With the Heyman influence, contacting issues and control over programs, that's what Lesnar does. Seems like she got full of herself or i'm guessing started listening to Heyman When she came in, she was just doing her shit but the 2nd half of her run has just been and hit misses and it's way more misses to the point she's proving why people had a negative light of her coming into WWE
Yep something changed with her once the fans started booing her. Once Charlotte turned heel at Survivor Series and Ronda received that reception, once Becky started rising up, Ronda seems to have been like "nah, f*** it, lemme put more of my word in here" and that's where she went wrong. Rather than go with the flow she tried to change it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2019 15:25:17 GMT -5
Seems like she got full of herself or i'm guessing started listening to Heyman When she came in, she was just doing her shit but the 2nd half of her run has just been and hit misses and it's way more misses to the point she's proving why people had a negative light of her coming into WWE
Yep something changed with her once the fans started booing her. Once Charlotte turned heel at Survivor Series and Ronda received that reception, once Becky started rising up, Ronda seems to have been like "nah, f*** it, lemme put more of my word in here" and that's where she went wrong. Rather than go with the flow she tried to change it. Yeah, which is a shame because she has a knack for the in ring stuff. Yes, she gets to practice but still her intangibles are good for someone who really didn't train that long and is learning on the job
She obviously don't like being boo'd and i'm sure Heyman is in her ear to be female Lesnar. For all that, he should be managing her
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 28, 2019 15:42:40 GMT -5
This is how you book your way out of this mess.
You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000.
First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship.
Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove.
This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal.
Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap.
This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 28, 2019 15:49:12 GMT -5
This is how you book your way out of this mess. You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000. First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship. Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove. This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal. Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap. This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year. That could actually work pretty well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 15:50:05 GMT -5
Yep something changed with her once the fans started booing her. Once Charlotte turned heel at Survivor Series and Ronda received that reception, once Becky started rising up, Ronda seems to have been like "nah, f*** it, lemme put more of my word in here" and that's where she went wrong. Rather than go with the flow she tried to change it. Yeah, which is a shame because she has a knack for the in ring stuff. Yes, she gets to practice but still her intangibles are good for someone who really didn't train that long and is learning on the job She obviously don't like being boo'd and i'm sure Heyman is in her ear to be female Lesnar. For all that, he should be managing her
I wonder if Heyman's just letting her say stuff to say them without knowing the results because we know Heyman, he's great but at the same time the guy has faults too. Maybe he's like "well f*** it, it gets people talking so" and let's her cook.
This is how you book your way out of this mess. You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000. First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship. Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove. This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal. Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap. This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year. This is some smart booking. Yeah, yeah let's go with this.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Mar 28, 2019 16:50:24 GMT -5
This is how you book your way out of this mess. You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000. First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship. Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove. This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal. Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap. This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year. This is a great way to fix this, so of course they won’t do it.
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Post by Error on Mar 28, 2019 17:01:26 GMT -5
This is how you book your way out of this mess. You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000. First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship. Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove. This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal. Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap. This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year. Can't say I like it. It makes Becky and Ronda both losers, leaving only Charlotte coming out a true winner. If we're talking triple threat elimination matches, I'd rather see them take a page from ECW when they took the title off of Taz and have combined to eliminate one. Have Ronda and Becky eliminate Charlotte after some time, the SDL belt still looks good since it took the numbers game to beat Charlotte and then it is the singles match it should have been all along. It's not ideal since it takes two to beat one but it leaves something for everyone to use in future against each other.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Mar 28, 2019 17:17:03 GMT -5
I actually like Charlotte and Ronda in the ring but if Becky doesn't beat Ronda then this whole thing has been a total joke. The whole build has been built on the rise of Becky. Charlotte has the SD title so she doesn't need the win. Ronda has been the champ for ages and turned heel so everyone hates her and there's only so long you just keep wrecking the Riott squad every week and being unstoppable. Any other end to the story is just flat out dumb. No excuses.
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Post by repomark on Mar 28, 2019 17:22:28 GMT -5
Again: this is about Becky beating Ronnie. Anything else will be a massive let down.
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Post by Cela on Mar 28, 2019 17:39:58 GMT -5
This is how you book your way out of this mess. You make it like that Jericho/Angle/Benoit match from WrestleMania 2000. First fall is for the SmackDown Women's Championship, second fall for the RAW Women's Championship. Match starts with all your Triple Threat tropes. Then as you reach the midway, Charlotte beats the absolute life out of Becky then pins her. Charlotte's retained her title, she gives a look like she's totally vindicated but unhinged, and she leaves. She has her title and she doesn't have anything else to prove. This at least gives the impression that the titles are equal. Ronda gets back into things, Becky is hurting and now Ronda's going to get to hurt her like she's been promising. Then the match proceeds, with Becky ultimately making Ronda tap. This satisfies everyone. The triple threat people get what they want. The singles match people get what they want. The SmackDown Title is presented as equal value to the RAW title and Becky gets her win over Ronda. You even leave something on the table for Becky and Charlotte to come back to after like a year. No. If Charlotte wins and then leaves, it makes Charlotte the overall winner. It completely deflates any celebration Becky would have minutes later. I get that WWE has to keep Charlotte strong for some reason, but in this particular match. She needs to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 18:43:30 GMT -5
Can't say I like it. It makes Becky and Ronda both losers, leaving only Charlotte coming out a true winner. If we're talking triple threat elimination matches, I'd rather see them take a page from ECW when they took the title off of Taz and have combined to eliminate one. Have Ronda and Becky eliminate Charlotte after some time, the SDL belt still looks good since it took the numbers game to beat Charlotte and then it is the singles match it should have been all along. It's not ideal since it takes two to beat one but it leaves something for everyone to use in future against each other. That works too but one issue is that this has Ronda and Becky working together to take out Charlotte which isn't good for Ronda as Ronda's supposedly the "heelist heel" of all 3 women who's against the both. Becky's the ultimate face, Ronda's the biggest heel and Charlotte's a heel too but she's more of a respectful heel. When she beat Asuka she even nodded to acknowledge her and said "thank you." Charlotte respects the business, Ronda's just anti-wrestling so, yeah. So I say Charlotte needs to be eliminated by Ronda using some type of shenanigans to get her out or a distraction perhaps. Have Charlotte beating up Becky and then Ronda can use that to come behind her and use that distraction to eliminate her. She can get her in her arm bar, she can use that to throw Charlotte to an exposed turnbuckle when the ref's not looking, just something so that she isn't technically working with Becky. The crowd can boo and Ronda can say "rules? Life has no rules" or something lame like that.
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