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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 4, 2019 16:01:57 GMT -5
Rebuilds take 5 years not one Should have actually started a rebuild with the few pieces that had value, instead of spewing the same tired rhetoric about wanting to compete. They went on a run at the wrong time Madison wasn't going to get them great value, some value sure but the window to trade him was far gone. 5 years not 1. If shit is stagnant in 5 years then yeah that's when the time it is to want to tear shit up
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Post by fw91 on Dec 4, 2019 16:50:53 GMT -5
This could be very good news for Mets fans. Steve Cohen is going to have an 80% ownership stake in the team after this process is all said and done.
Could also be bad news in that we have to rest on our laurels for another 5 years and waste DeGrom’s window
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 4, 2019 17:45:29 GMT -5
Angels Acquire Dylan Bundy
Man, the O's seems like they had 3 or 4 arms that were supposed to be good that didn't become so. Britton ended up being great once he went to a reliever
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 18:10:04 GMT -5
This could be very good news for Mets fans.
Steve Cohen is going to have an 80% ownership stake in the team after this process is all said and done.
Thank f***ing god. I don't care if it's taking 5 years, this shit is finally gonna be done.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 4, 2019 19:52:38 GMT -5
Well that’s annoying
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Post by burdette25159 on Dec 4, 2019 21:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on Dec 4, 2019 22:58:49 GMT -5
Should have actually started a rebuild with the few pieces that had value, instead of spewing the same tired rhetoric about wanting to compete. They went on a run at the wrong time Madison wasn't going to get them great value, some value sure but the window to trade him was far gone. 5 years not 1. If shit is stagnant in 5 years then yeah that's when the time it is to want to tear shit up MadBum's value dropped off, sure. But to move an arm with his postseason experience at the deadline would have returned at least a top 100 prospect. Instead, they got nobody. Right now their whole plan seems to be knocking on old HOFer's doors and asking them if they have a grandson who would like to play ball.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 5, 2019 2:00:06 GMT -5
Seems the Phillies are getting Zack Wheeler for a bunch of money, although he would have gotten more from the White Sox.
Philadelphia is definitely in a "We really must go far in the postseason" mode after last year's collapse despite the money they spent.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 5, 2019 16:16:58 GMT -5
I have live footage on hand of the scene of Mets fans gathering to celebrate outside of Citi Field at the news of the Wilpons' finally, FINALLY selling the team.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 5, 2019 18:56:41 GMT -5
So, in minor league news, the Primary owner (Mark Butler) of my local Minor League (Washington's farm team, Harrisburg Senators) team just died.
Combined with MLB wanting to slash out a bunch of Minor League teams, I wonder what their fate will be.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2019 20:25:45 GMT -5
Yankees have made signing Gerrit Cole there top priority and are willing to give him a record contract
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Post by Mecca on Dec 5, 2019 20:30:02 GMT -5
You know it's time to admit a few things...
You see things like Cohen is going to buy the Wilpon Met share for 2.6 billion dollars...that would make the total team value 3.25 billion, in 2002 the Wilpons paid 135 million for it. That means the teams value increased 170 million per year.
The Angels are using baseball money to spend 325 million dollars to own their new stadium and the area around it.
The Indians last Forbes value piece, had $282M in revenue and were worth $1.2B. They have quadrupled in value in the last 19 years. They certainly can afford Lindor, but they certainly have suckered everyone into thinking they can’t. We have the Brewers fire selling just because...
Lots of this stuff everywhere that all of these teams are worth a crap ton of money and they're turning huge profits while crying poor. That they're spending big money on non baseball shit and players are getting pissed, mid level vets can't seem to get paid anymore so it appears the union is going to try to go to war over a lot of this stuff.
All of these teams are worth a ton and make a ton, matter of fact every single team in the MLB could spend 175 million on payroll and make a profit, I'm so tired of these cheap mofos crying poor while they're making money hand over fist and walking away from elite players just because they feel like it. If you wanna do that that's fine but admit why don't cry poor. While I know they don't want a cap they really need to do something to make teams actually spend money.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 5, 2019 21:07:44 GMT -5
You know it's time to admit a few things... You see things like Cohen is going to buy the Wilpon Met share for 2.6 billion dollars...that would make the total team value 3.25 billion, in 2002 the Wilpons paid 135 million for it. That means the teams value increased 170 million per year. The Angels are using baseball money to spend 325 million dollars to own their new stadium and the area around it. The Indians last Forbes value piece, had $282M in revenue and were worth $1.2B. They have quadrupled in value in the last 19 years. They certainly can afford Lindor, but they certainly have suckered everyone into thinking they can’t. We have the Brewers fire selling just because... Lots of this stuff everywhere that all of these teams are worth a crap ton of money and they're turning huge profits while crying poor. That they're spending big money on non baseball shit and players are getting pissed, mid level vets can't seem to get paid anymore so it appears the union is going to try to go to war over a lot of this stuff. All of these teams are worth a ton and make a ton, matter of fact every single team in the MLB could spend 175 million on payroll and make a profit, I'm so tired of these cheap mofos crying poor while they're making money hand over fist and walking away from elite players just because they feel like it. If you wanna do that that's fine but admit why don't cry poor. While I know they don't want a cap they really need to do something to make teams actually spend money. Agreed, and the fact that "mid-tier" free agents are getting screwed the past number of years means I won't be shocked at all if there's another strike some time in the near future. To make matters worse, a lot of these teams make so much money due to their cable deals and regional networks that many have controlling interests in...and the cable bubble is going to pop sooner than later. Only catch on the Wilpon payments: when they bought full ownership of the Mets in 2002, they already had a 50% stake in the team dating back to the mid-80s, AND Selig got them a lower price valuation because he loved Fred Wilpon, since Fred was a big reason why Bud got installed as the owner-friendly commissioner that he was...what a bunch of jackals.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 5, 2019 21:22:48 GMT -5
I saw it here I'm from Kansas City and there is no reason that World Series team wasn't kept together other than being cheap...
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Post by Cyno on Dec 5, 2019 21:26:05 GMT -5
Even the Marlins went for a lot of money, and that's with Loria being the cheapest bastard ever and pissing off the entire city of Miami thus poisoning the market for years to come.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 5, 2019 21:30:27 GMT -5
Even the Marlins went for a lot of money, and that's with Loria being the cheapest bastard ever and pissing off the entire city of Miami thus poisoning the market for years to come. The Royals just sold for 1 billion and it was openly acknowledged it probably could have been more.
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Post by BRV on Dec 5, 2019 21:38:30 GMT -5
This is just how baseball ownership is, has been, and forever will be. These are inherently cheap people, that's why they colluded in the 1980s to hinder legitimate free agency, why they had a hand in the labor impasse that led to the cancellation of the 1994 World Series, and why they'll always cry poor when contracts start spiraling out of control.
I need to look no further than my own Boston Red Sox. John Henry and the ownership group have more money than they'll ever know what to do with; Fenway Park prints money 365 days a year; they own a soccer team, a racing team, and a newspaper; yet all the talk this off-season has been about shedding payroll to get under the dreaded luxury tax, as if that's ever mattered to their collective bottom lines. They're talking about trading away the most exciting player in decades, a truly generational superstar in Mookie Betts, simply because they don't want to pony up the top-of-the-market contract he'll inevitably receive following the 2020 season.
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Post by sfvega on Dec 5, 2019 22:27:03 GMT -5
You know it's time to admit a few things... You see things like Cohen is going to buy the Wilpon Met share for 2.6 billion dollars...that would make the total team value 3.25 billion, in 2002 the Wilpons paid 135 million for it. That means the teams value increased 170 million per year. The Angels are using baseball money to spend 325 million dollars to own their new stadium and the area around it. The Indians last Forbes value piece, had $282M in revenue and were worth $1.2B. They have quadrupled in value in the last 19 years. They certainly can afford Lindor, but they certainly have suckered everyone into thinking they can’t. We have the Brewers fire selling just because... Lots of this stuff everywhere that all of these teams are worth a crap ton of money and they're turning huge profits while crying poor. That they're spending big money on non baseball shit and players are getting pissed, mid level vets can't seem to get paid anymore so it appears the union is going to try to go to war over a lot of this stuff. All of these teams are worth a ton and make a ton, matter of fact every single team in the MLB could spend 175 million on payroll and make a profit, I'm so tired of these cheap mofos crying poor while they're making money hand over fist and walking away from elite players just because they feel like it. If you wanna do that that's fine but admit why don't cry poor. While I know they don't want a cap they really need to do something to make teams actually spend money. Agreed, and the fact that "mid-tier" free agents are getting screwed the past number of years means I won't be shocked at all if there's another strike some time in the near future. To make matters worse, a lot of these teams make so much money due to their cable deals and regional networks that many have controlling interests in...and the cable bubble is going to pop sooner than later. Only catch on the Wilpon payments: when they bought full ownership of the Mets in 2002, they already had a 50% stake in the team dating back to the mid-80s, AND Selig got them a lower price valuation because he loved Fred Wilpon, since Fred was a big reason why Bud got installed as the owner-friendly commissioner that he was...what a bunch of jackals. I've been saying collusion for a couple offseasons now. They weren't always this cheap, then all at once became misers about anyone who isn't a superstar.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 6, 2019 1:57:15 GMT -5
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