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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 4, 2019 20:58:44 GMT -5
He had a rip-off Lanny Poffo gimmick. Then he got too big for his boots and thought he could escape it... the fact is, he couldn’t. The “Intellectual Savior” gimmick was what got him to the party. Blue robe, pink trunks, “SILENCE!” etc. That was over. That could have got him to the main event... but whoever’s genius idea it was to have him ditch all of that, come out in a black t-shirt and black trunks and act all SRS and AGGRESSIVE~! is a goddamned moron cause it single handedly killed his career. Yeah the Mizdow thing got him over again. And he probably should have won the Andre Battle Royal instead of Big Show that year... but where do you go from there? He couldn’t go back to being the Intellectual Savior cause he’s been playing a halfwit for the past year or so, copying Miz and making himself look stupid. This was a guy who was supposed to be smarter than all of us. So why was he doing (what would be, in his mind) the lowest form of entertainment? On top of that, what was he gonna do when he couldn’t copy Miz any more? They literally hadn’t got a clue. He had this terrible segment on Raw with Curtis Axel where he mocked him and repeated him like a 5 year old. It was AWFUL but surprisingly nobody mentions it anymore... then he delivered the worst Macho Man impersonation I ever seen in my life. The less said about the “MetaPowers” the better. His Liberace/stereotypical gay gimmick in TNA was disgraceful lol. I felt so embarrassed watching it. It was cringeworthy stuff. It just goes to show not everyone would succeed if they gave them complete creative control... he found his niche with the Intellectual Savior gimmick and should have never left it. Oh christ. I forgot about his team with Axel. What an awful awful time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 4, 2019 23:49:13 GMT -5
I’m just thankful this loser never cashed in and won the wwe belt, he would’ve been exposed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 9:59:10 GMT -5
I’m just thankful this loser never cashed in and won the wwe belt, he would’ve been exposed. Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Apr 9, 2019 18:52:37 GMT -5
I’m just thankful this loser never cashed in and won the wwe belt, he would’ve been exposed. Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit. But was that losing streak that WWE gave him after he failed his MITB cash-in match against Cena deserved?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 9, 2019 19:37:07 GMT -5
Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit. But was that losing streak that WWE gave him after he failed his MITB cash-in match against Cena deserved? Yes. His tna run negates all the good and how the wwe hid his awfulness. I’ll say this again, the only way to get over as an effeminate character is if you’re a badass worker, Adrien Street, Goldust, and Dalton Castle, if not then it’s gonna fail. Rex failed and had to retire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 21:07:45 GMT -5
Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit. But was that losing streak that WWE gave him after he failed his MITB cash-in match against Cena deserved? They rebuilt him as Mizdow afterwards so yes? I mean I don't like losing streaks all that much and don't remember a lot of it (that's another thing that stands out, for all his good character work, so little of it is actually memorable) in theory they used his heat/overness to have people beat someone who meant something and then rebuilt him a bit later.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 9, 2019 22:20:00 GMT -5
It's just befuddling given that Liberace had been dead for literally forty years at that point. Like even if it wasn't just a shallow gay joke, who was it even for in 2017?
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Apr 10, 2019 7:33:29 GMT -5
That, sir, is a good point. In which case my bigger criticism is of Rex, because TNA very obviously had the capacity to let this happen... Absolutely. The fact that he had the gimmick in mind as far back as his FCW days and somehow didn't come to the conclusion in the interim that it really wasn't a good idea says a lot about him. Then again, when he was booking in OVW he wrote a storyline where Beth Phoenix and Shelly Martinez were his devoted sex slaves. I think it's safe to say he was a fan of Vince Russo's booking. I actually thoroughly enjoyed that gimmick. Not just the fact that this was best Shelly and Beth ever looked, but I thought it was great in an old school heel kind of way: one girl would distract the ref while the other would interfere. It was a very underrated part of that great time in OVW.
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Post by realist on Apr 10, 2019 7:41:57 GMT -5
It's just befuddling given that Liberace had been dead for literally forty years at that point. Like even if it wasn't just a shallow gay joke, who was it even for in 2017? I honestly think that Sandow went home one evening, and saw the movie, "Behind the Candelabra," really liked it, and thought it would be a great gimmick. I don't even think that he was playing Liberace. I think that he was playing Michael Douglas playing Liberace.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 10, 2019 21:38:52 GMT -5
I’m just thankful this loser never cashed in and won the wwe belt, he would’ve been exposed. Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit. But at the same time, why give him MITB if he isn't even potentially on that level? He didn't just lose the cash-in he was made such a joke of that the idea he could ever be a world title contender seemed like something they cracked jokes around in the office because it sounded so absurd. Which is fine, he wasn't world champion material. But he could have also just stayed where he was on the card instead. The treatment of him seemed to bother people way more than him not being top champ did.
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Post by badkarma on Apr 10, 2019 23:20:52 GMT -5
Again, for all the flack we (collective 'we' as wrestling fans) give them, much of it deservedly so, WWE are wiser than we'd ever like to admit. But at the same time, why give him MITB if he isn't even potentially on that level? He didn't just lose the cash-in he was made such a joke of that the idea he could ever be a world title contender seemed like something they cracked jokes around in the office because it sounded so absurd. Which is fine, he wasn't world champion material. But he could have also just stayed where he was on the card instead. The treatment of him seemed to bother people way more than him not being top champ did. He was only given mitb because Cody Rhodes, who was their original choice, was getting married and going on his honeymoon during the same time frame. Cody chose Brandi over a poorly timed world title program and the wwe seemingly never forgave him for that. For some reason some of that heat seem to land on Sandow as well and he was made to look a fool while being sacrificed at the altar of Cena Wins LOL.
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Post by nm on Apr 10, 2019 23:31:19 GMT -5
Aron Rex killed the TNA board
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 11, 2019 11:26:29 GMT -5
It's just befuddling given that Liberace had been dead for literally forty years at that point. Like even if it wasn't just a shallow gay joke, who was it even for in 2017? He might as well have been out there making Rock Hudson jokes
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Post by badkarma on Apr 11, 2019 19:23:56 GMT -5
It's just befuddling given that Liberace had been dead for literally forty years at that point. Like even if it wasn't just a shallow gay joke, who was it even for in 2017? He might as well have been out there making Rock Hudson jokes Do you know why they buried him face down?
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 11, 2019 19:27:40 GMT -5
He might as well have been out there making Rock Hudson jokes Do you know why they buried him face down? Yup. I also know why his car insurance was so expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:34:34 GMT -5
I’m just thankful this loser never cashed in and won the wwe belt, he would’ve been exposed. The thing is... I don’t think he would have been. If he kept the original gimmick, he could have absolutely succeeded as World Champion. I’d go as far to say that he could have even had a big Mania match against Cena. Look at all the goons Hogan’s faced over the years. Sandow could have been one of those for Cena. It was when he left that gimmick, that he got exposed. He might be a shit performer but he played that character extremely well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:35:54 GMT -5
But at the same time, why give him MITB if he isn't even potentially on that level? He didn't just lose the cash-in he was made such a joke of that the idea he could ever be a world title contender seemed like something they cracked jokes around in the office because it sounded so absurd. Which is fine, he wasn't world champion material. But he could have also just stayed where he was on the card instead. The treatment of him seemed to bother people way more than him not being top champ did. He was only given mitb because Cody Rhodes, who was their original choice, was getting married and going on his honeymoon during the same time frame. Cody chose Brandi over a poorly timed world title program and the wwe seemingly never forgave him for that. For some reason some of that heat seem to land on Sandow as well and he was made to look a fool while being sacrificed at the altar of Cena Wins LOL. If I remember correctly, it was Sandow or Barrett, was it not?
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