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Post by agent817 on Mar 30, 2019 10:04:17 GMT -5
I know, I feel like a copycat right now, but I felt that it was time to talk about these two championships. The Intercontinental title was deactivated later, but these two were deactivated beforehand. Was it because they didn't want anymore mid-card belts? If it were up to me, I would have put the European title on Smackdown, though in the long-run it was better that they brought in the US title for Smackdown.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 30, 2019 10:10:22 GMT -5
I've been wanting the Hardcore Title back for so long now.
It would make Raw less boring for me if I saw more brawling in different/weird locations on TV again.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 30, 2019 10:55:52 GMT -5
Well, I could give you a real answer but people don’t want that, it was highly disputed in the IC thread. So I’ll go with “rabble, rabble, rabble, HHH is the devil and that’s why”
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 30, 2019 11:01:51 GMT -5
Too many singles title for one branded show and give more importance to the new WHC.
Also the hardcore title gimmick was getting kid of old by that point.
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Post by RI Richmark on Mar 30, 2019 11:22:48 GMT -5
Too many singles title for one branded show and give more importance to the new WHC. Also the hardcore title gimmick was getting kid of old by that point. Agreed! The 24/7 gimmick was cool when it started but by the end all the constant title changes really devauled the belt. Raven had 127 title reigns for Pete's sake. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 30, 2019 12:11:39 GMT -5
Hardcore wrestling is dead, and thankfully so. As for the European championship, it was always pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 12:35:42 GMT -5
The European title was a no-brainer, as the belt was originally made to give Davey Boy Smith an accolade without the WWF devoting any effort into putting anything useful on him (you know, a real belt?), but after Shawn Michaels beat him for the title in One Night Only, the title became a joke, and was often just handed over to people as rewards for helping out in exchange for heel antics.
The Hardcore title was a bit more complicated. Sure, there was a lot of reigns, but the belt's existence towards the end was mostly to give house shows something for fans to talk about, even if each show on the circuit bounced the belt around 3 or 4 wrestlers each night. Plus, they had already done just about everything stupid imaginable with that belt (referee holding a belt? Manager holding a belt? A Ho holding a belt?!).
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Post by agent817 on Mar 30, 2019 12:46:54 GMT -5
The European title was a no-brainer, as the belt was originally made to give Davey Boy Smith an accolade without the WWF devoting any effort into putting anything useful on him (you know, a real belt?), but after Shawn Michaels beat him for the title in One Night Only, the title became a joke, and was often just handed over to people as rewards for helping out in exchange for heel antics. The Hardcore title was a bit more complicated. Sure, there was a lot of reigns, but the belt's existence towards the end was mostly to give house shows something for fans to talk about, even if each show on the circuit bounced the belt around 3 or 4 wrestlers each night. Plus, they had already done just about everything stupid imaginable with that belt (referee holding a belt? Manager holding a belt? A Ho holding a belt?!). Terri also won the title, when she was just a backstage interviewer during that time. Regarding the European title, I liked it when D'Lo Brown and Al Snow held it. They sold it like it was an important belt. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 30, 2019 12:56:18 GMT -5
The news I read at the time was the original plan was for the WWE title to be exclusive to Smackdown, and Raw would have the IC title. Unifying the Hardcore and Euro titles with IC would be what elevated it to world status. Of course the plan then was for RVD to be the champ while Triple H feuded with his Kliq buddies in the nWo. When Nash went down and the nWo disbanded they changed the plan. And HHH as the new Flair needed a bigger belt.
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Post by 4real on Mar 30, 2019 13:16:12 GMT -5
I want the Hardcore Title back but I just don’t think it can be done in this day and age. We already have 356 titles anyway.
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Post by A damn road sign on Mar 30, 2019 13:26:44 GMT -5
Too many singles title for one branded show and give more importance to the new WHC. Also the hardcore title gimmick was getting kid of old by that point. Agreed! The 24/7 gimmick was cool when it started but by the end all the constant title changes really devauled the belt. Raven had 127 title reigns for Pete's sake. I’m not sure whether that was a typo or just for added effect, but Raven had 27 reigns not 127. 😛 |
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Mar 30, 2019 14:29:47 GMT -5
I'm ok with the European title as an exclusive to NXT UK, but there's no need for the comedy Hardcore Title...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 16:01:34 GMT -5
Bring back the European title as something of a pure wrestling title, but that probably wouldn’t get over in America, so it’s kind of pointless.
Hardcore wrestling in the WWE is dead, and rightfully so.
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 30, 2019 16:49:53 GMT -5
I think they also figured they didn't go to Europe enough to devote a title solely to there. but don't worry the Saudi title is in the works as we speak.
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Post by crowley1986 on Mar 30, 2019 18:52:59 GMT -5
eh should've made the European title the IC level title on smackdown instead of the US title
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Post by darbus alan on Mar 30, 2019 18:57:27 GMT -5
Out of all the singles championships, only two on either show are actually booked well. I don't think the booking team could handle even more singles belts.
And TBH, the 24/7 gimmick of the Hardcore title was really played out by then. It started out interesting but it just got corny near the end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5
Man I miss the Hardcore title.
The 24/7 rule genuinely brought so many classic moments.
Strowman would be an awesome Hardcore Champion.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 30, 2019 19:10:26 GMT -5
eh should've made the European title the IC level title on smackdown instead of the US title Yeah, they could've done RawWHC IC World Tag Team Women's SmackdownWWE European WWE Tag Team CW |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 19:26:37 GMT -5
They should bring back the Hardcore title and book it like the DDT Ironman Heavymetalweight Championship.
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Post by RI Richmark on Mar 30, 2019 20:17:22 GMT -5
Agreed! The 24/7 gimmick was cool when it started but by the end all the constant title changes really devauled the belt. Raven had 127 title reigns for Pete's sake. I’m not sure whether that was a typo or just for added effect, but Raven had 27 reigns not 127. 😛 Actually I misread the thing. But in fairness it seemed like 127 reigns. |
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