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Post by Milkman Norm on May 3, 2019 10:15:02 GMT -5
I thought it was a good episode but due to all of the events in the story it seemed rushed. There's a bit of that in all these shows so far. I knew little about Brusier Brody's murder but even in that one it seemed rushed toward the end. I think if they talked to more than 4-5 people per episode it'd probably be lengthier. Then again, this is being produced for a non-wrestling audience so perhaps they have to "go light" (at least from a wrestling fan's perspective, which will always been more into the in depth details of everything involved). Glad to see Moolah be shown as the devil she really was instead of the inspiration WWE views her as I'll presume no one currently tied to the WWE will be part of this, then....? A. It's understandable why the limit the depth of the history dives before they get to the subject. With the Von Erich episode there were a few things, not making it clear Kerry's foot was amputated because he wrestled on it post surgery as opposed to right after the accident for one, that I felt should have been in the episode. All in all it was very good. B. No one on any episode had any association with WWE other than through legends contract when they were filmed.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 3, 2019 11:01:26 GMT -5
So I've just watched the first of these, the one on Randy and Liz, and I've got to say that it seems a bit... wishy-washy. It's like they want to allude to Randy being controlling and psychologically abusive, but no one wants to say it. Not even the documentary makers. They seem to want to keep this relationship on a pedestal and, even as a huge fan of Randy Savage, I think that a more critical approach was needed.
The talking heads parts, with Prichard and Jake and Razor, are very perfunctory and the only one who I felt added much interesting was Linda Hogan, oddly enough. That account of Randy flying down to Miami to find Liz was something I'd heard about, but to see it laid out so clearly - Liz was probably spending the night with some guy, Randy was going nuts thinking about where she was and what she was up to - was shocking.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 3, 2019 11:08:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how Kevin is okay with his sons wrestling after everything that happened in his family. Is Fritz' brainwashing really that powerfully ingrained in him? How can he look at his own children, who he outright says make him think of his brothers and just continue the cycle like he has learned nothing. You got out, you're alive, you're happy and you're damn lucky that you did. Don't let it happen to your sons. Don't be Fritz. If they want to wrestle, then him trying to stop them would probably harm his relationship with them more than anything. Fritz controlled his kids with an iron, uhh, claw I guess, and looked the other way when they turned to drugs. As rough as the wrestling life can be, most of what killed the Von Erichs can be found outside of wrestling trivially. If they were musicians, if they were nurses, artists, etc, they'd still be industries with serious drug problems. I just hope he has the presence of mind to put his foot down if they do fall in with a bad crowd and that his kids will listen to him.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 17:35:33 GMT -5
I don't understand how Kevin is okay with his sons wrestling after everything that happened in his family. Is Fritz' brainwashing really that powerfully ingrained in him? How can he look at his own children, who he outright says make him think of his brothers and just continue the cycle like he has learned nothing. You got out, you're alive, you're happy and you're damn lucky that you did. Don't let it happen to your sons. Don't be Fritz. He knows it wasn't "pro wrestling" that killed his brothers. It was the way Fritz chose to run his company/family.
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 3, 2019 17:46:54 GMT -5
I know Kevin's sons have had some matches but I don't think either is really in the business full time. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vice played that up for narrative purposes.
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Post by atgnatpodcast on May 7, 2019 13:40:35 GMT -5
Just read on Twitter that the von Erich’s have signed with MLW
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 13:47:48 GMT -5
The talking heads parts, with Prichard and Jake and Razor, are very perfunctory and the only one who I felt added much interesting was Linda Hogan, oddly enough. That account of Randy flying down to Miami to find Liz was something I'd heard about, but to see it laid out so clearly - Liz was probably spending the night with some guy, Randy was going nuts thinking about where she was and what she was up to - was shocking. Some folks here were giving the doc crap that Linda was interviewed, but really she provided the most unique POV, I thought, of them all. She could speak more about what Liz was doing during that time than anyone and provide a different context, with perhaps less of a business spin, about being a "wrestling wife." Can't say there are too many people that close to the Randy/Liz relationship.....well, I mean Hulk is another one, but a lot of what he can say is neck-deep in dubiousness already.. The doc did completely skip over the Flair/Liz angle from 1992; would've been an interesting thing to cover, given their relationship overall and that the marriage was essentially nearing its end at that point anyway. I've found the series pretty compelling so far but there are times where it seems like they skip or gloss over things that you'd think they would spend a bit more time on. But then, it is about the "dark side" of the story so I can imagine certain highlights are extra/unnecessary for the story they're telling.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 7, 2019 16:00:12 GMT -5
Just read on Twitter that the von Erich’s have signed with MLW That’s a smart move. They’ve done well with their new version of the Hart Foundation. Getting a Von Erich family faction in there could generate some interest. Getting a Harts / Von Erichs feud going could be fun.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 7, 2019 21:01:24 GMT -5
Gino episode tomorrow then next week, Fabulous Moolah
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 7, 2019 21:10:02 GMT -5
I don't understand how Kevin is okay with his sons wrestling after everything that happened in his family. Is Fritz' brainwashing really that powerfully ingrained in him? How can he look at his own children, who he outright says make him think of his brothers and just continue the cycle like he has learned nothing. You got out, you're alive, you're happy and you're damn lucky that you did. Don't let it happen to your sons. Don't be Fritz. 1. It's the 2010s, not the 80s. 2. He's not Fritz.
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Post by 111111 on May 8, 2019 4:27:03 GMT -5
It starts airing in the UK on VICELAND (on sky and cable and now TV) next month, can't remember the exact date saw an advert on Facebook earlier.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on May 8, 2019 5:23:10 GMT -5
Just found that all 6 episodes are on SBS Viceland in Australia
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Post by lucas_lee on May 8, 2019 10:43:52 GMT -5
Im shocked theyre doing Moolah. Good for them for covering it. I wonder if we ll get an episode on Pillman. After reading his biography. He lived a crazy and fun life
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 8, 2019 21:02:39 GMT -5
That Gino Hernandez episode is the best one they’ve done so far. Wow.
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Post by Milkman Norm on May 8, 2019 21:56:53 GMT -5
In a deleted scene Gino's mom kills the Paul Boesch rumor.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 8, 2019 23:37:28 GMT -5
I'd like to see that deleted scene because A LOT of guys have made it seem like it was probably true.
just like the one that I only heard this past year about Gorilla Monsoon being Victor Quinones' father
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 8, 2019 23:40:38 GMT -5
I'd like to see that deleted scene because A LOT of guys have made it seem like it was probably true. just like the one that I only heard this past year about Gorilla Monsoon being Victor Quinones' father You can find it easily on twitter. It’s posted on the Dark Side of the Ring twitter or just put Gino Hernandez into the search option and it comes right up.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on May 9, 2019 0:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 9, 2019 0:11:40 GMT -5
I don't understand how Kevin is okay with his sons wrestling after everything that happened in his family. Is Fritz' brainwashing really that powerfully ingrained in him? How can he look at his own children, who he outright says make him think of his brothers and just continue the cycle like he has learned nothing. You got out, you're alive, you're happy and you're damn lucky that you did. Don't let it happen to your sons. Don't be Fritz. About twenty years ago, there was a documentary released called Faded Glory, about the Von Erichs. It was a fluff piece, really adhering the VE's way things went down over the years. Anyway, at the end of it, Kevin is talking about his kids, who were small children at the time and talks about how he doesn't want them going into the business and he doesn't want them following in his footsteps. Here's the thing though - the entire time he is saying this, the doc is showing footage of him in his backyard, showing his boys how to perform powerbombs on one another while they play on a trampoline...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 0:16:34 GMT -5
I don't understand how Kevin is okay with his sons wrestling after everything that happened in his family. Is Fritz' brainwashing really that powerfully ingrained in him? How can he look at his own children, who he outright says make him think of his brothers and just continue the cycle like he has learned nothing. You got out, you're alive, you're happy and you're damn lucky that you did. Don't let it happen to your sons. Don't be Fritz. About twenty years ago, there was a documentary released called Faded Glory, about the Von Erichs. It was a fluff piece, really adhering the VE's way things went down over the years. Anyway, at the end of it, Kevin is talking about his kids, who were small children at the time and talks about how he doesn't want them going into the business and he doesn't want them following in his footsteps. Here's the thing though - the entire time he is saying this, the doc is showing footage of him in his backyard, showing his boys how to perform powerbombs on one another while they play on a trampoline... It's a weird position to be in. If you basically say "Never shall you wrestle, I forbid it" then you're basically inviting them to go do it out of spite.
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