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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 17:56:08 GMT -5
"She is a great competitor and I hope the best for her" This would’ve been totally fine, for those of you asking “well what should she have said?” No spin, no bullshit, no shitting on either creative or talent.
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Post by Tenshigure on Apr 4, 2019 18:13:12 GMT -5
Asking these kinds of questions to the talent is a damned if you/damned if you don't situation. If they voice negatively towards the booking decisions, it could impact their position in the company. If they act like there's no problem, then they're a "corporate shill" and undeserving of their accolades.Bull shit this is a story. I appreciate Charlotte putting over Asuka's talent and she doesn't strike me as an egotist but the corporate spin on this answer is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 18:38:30 GMT -5
If you can’t tell the difference between “She’s a talented competitor, I wish her the best” and “Actually her losing is a good story opportunity!” and why the latter might draw criticism then frankly that’s on you, and no amount of “gotcha!” attempts will change that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 18:47:19 GMT -5
I don't really see this as much to talk about. Any WWE wrestler is gonna say what they think they should say for the benefit of their career. Some are better at speaking their mind than others but it's completely understandable why others play it safe like this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 18:51:20 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is bashing Charlotte for giving a corporate answer. That’s what she is paid to do. The fact that people are hyping it up as some sort of classy gesture is more damning to me. It’s clearly a spin and it’s common knowledge that Vince changes his mind on things on a weekly basis, so claiming his is part of a long term story arc is kind of pointless too. She wasn’t going to shit on her boss so this was really the only route she could take. It’s not bad or good. It is what it is.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 18:52:14 GMT -5
If you can’t tell the difference between “She’s a talented competitor, I wish her the best” and “Actually her losing is a good story opportunity!” and why the latter might draw criticism then frankly that’s on you, and no amount of “gotcha!” attempts will change that. It's not that black and white as you're putting it and that's just your interpretation
My interpretation is she took this opportunity to sing Asuka praises as someone she respects while also looking forward towards the future
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Post by Perd on Apr 4, 2019 19:03:16 GMT -5
“Asuka ain’t shit. Last year, I took her streak. This year, I took her title. Next year, if she has something I want...maybe I’ll let her keep it. Nah, I’ma take that shit, too.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:04:16 GMT -5
If you can’t tell the difference between “She’s a talented competitor, I wish her the best” and “Actually her losing is a good story opportunity!” and why the latter might draw criticism then frankly that’s on you, and no amount of “gotcha!” attempts will change that. It's not that black and white as you're putting it and that's just your interpretation
My interpretation is she took this opportunity to sing Asuka praises as someone she respects while also looking forward towards the future
Yep. There's a difference between saying "Asuka is great" and saying what Charlotte said. Kinda funny how you get anti-Charlotte posts when she's praising someone lol.
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Post by BatPunk on Apr 4, 2019 19:33:25 GMT -5
This is probably the best answer she could have given considering the company she works for. It’s pretty obvious that she didn’t want Asuka to lose her title like that going into Mania, but she has to tow the company line and go along with what she’s told.
Realistically, what’s she going to say? “I never should have beaten Asuka. She is much better than me”?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:35:51 GMT -5
There was no excuse to not do Asuka vs Shayna or Lacey or Sonya or Naomi at Mania.
The main event didn’t need the Smackdown Title aswell. If they actually did it right from the beginning, there would be no Charlotte at all there.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2019 19:37:56 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone is bashing Charlotte for giving a corporate answer. That’s what she is paid to do. The fact that people are hyping it up as some sort of classy gesture is more damning to me. It’s clearly a spin and it’s common knowledge that Vince changes his mind on things on a weekly basis, so claiming his is part of a long term story arc is kind of pointless too. She wasn’t going to shit on her boss so this was really the only route she could take. It’s not bad or good. It is what it is. I just wish would be less snarky about it.Dismissing it as Pro/Anti Charlotte is silly and just creates more rift. While I dont have a big issue with what she said.I can see why the story part can bother people,overall it was a good answer to give.In the end it is pretty much a pointless answer anyway ,not like much people will read or discuss about it
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 19:40:03 GMT -5
There was no excuse to not do Asuka vs Shayna or Lacey or Sonya or Naomi at Mania. The main event didn’t need the Smackdown Title aswell. If they actually did it right from the beginning, there would be no Charlotte at all there. Charlotte is needed besides the title
But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2019 19:42:55 GMT -5
There was no excuse to not do Asuka vs Shayna or Lacey or Sonya or Naomi at Mania. The main event didn’t need the Smackdown Title aswell. If they actually did it right from the beginning, there would be no Charlotte at all there. Charlotte is needed besides the title But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
I disagree with the needed part,wanna put it out there too if anyone need to remember but at least that was planned,even if poorly. As yhou said the title change was indeed last minute,they had in the same day still anounced a four way for a number one contender. it seem like Vince uses the advantage of being to change things on the fly to the worst capability.Instead of using it to react to the crowd and fan feedback overall(with some good exceptions like Kofi)he uses to satify his random whims of the day
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:43:03 GMT -5
There was no excuse to not do Asuka vs Shayna or Lacey or Sonya or Naomi at Mania. The main event didn’t need the Smackdown Title aswell. If they actually did it right from the beginning, there would be no Charlotte at all there. Charlotte is needed besides the title
But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
Nah I’m not seeing it. Ronda vs Becky was and is the match the majority of people were hyped about. Charlotte was thrown in there because of her last name. They want the casuals to tune in and say “Oh look, Ric Flair’s daughter!” Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 19:44:22 GMT -5
Charlotte is needed besides the title
But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
Nah I’m not seeing it. Ronda vs Becky was and is the match the majority of people were hyped about. Charlotte was thrown in there because of her last name. They want the casuals to tune in and say “Oh look, Ric Flair’s daughter!” Nothing more, nothing less. I've explained my stance on why Charlotte is needed in this match in other threads so I won't get into it here, i'll leave it at that
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2019 19:44:34 GMT -5
Charlotte is needed besides the title But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
Nah I’m not seeing it. Ronda vs Becky was and is the match the majority of people were hyped about. Charlotte was thrown in there because of her last name. They want the casuals to tune in and say “Oh look, Ric Flair’s daughter!” Nothing more, nothing less. I cant say its for her last name. But it was definitely because they want her to get the rub.I'm pretty sure there is no deeper reason besides "Ronda is leaving and we want Charlotte to get the main event rub because we need star power". She spent 90% of the feud on monologue.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 4, 2019 19:45:24 GMT -5
Charlotte is needed besides the title But they did do this backwards. In the end this comes across as a last min decision meaning adding the SD womens title because they want the main event to be as big as possible
I disagree with the needed part,wanna put it out there too if anyone need to remember but at least that was planned,even if poorly. As yhou said the title change was indeed last minute,they had in the same day still anounced a four way for a number one contender. it seem like Vince uses the advantage of being to change things on the fly to the worst capability.Instead of using it to react to the crowd and fan feedback overall(with some good exceptions like Kofi)he uses to satify his random whims of the day I mean this is for the best tho in a sense they are trying to make this main event as big as it can possibly be
Right or wrong they are doing whatever it takes to make this successful
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2019 19:46:11 GMT -5
I disagree with the needed part,wanna put it out there too if anyone need to remember but at least that was planned,even if poorly. As yhou said the title change was indeed last minute,they had in the same day still anounced a four way for a number one contender. it seem like Vince uses the advantage of being to change things on the fly to the worst capability.Instead of using it to react to the crowd and fan feedback overall(with some good exceptions like Kofi)he uses to satify his random whims of the day I mean this is for the best tho in a sense they are trying to make this main event as big as it can possibly be
Right or wrong they are doing whatever it takes to make this successful
Yeh absolutely I can see it. It just feels like WWE doesnt know when to go "okay,maybe adding more is less".This goes for EVERYTHING. More titles,more gimmick matches,more wrestlers,more achievments for X wrestler,etc,etc
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 19:47:24 GMT -5
Nah I’m not seeing it. Ronda vs Becky was and is the match the majority of people were hyped about. Charlotte was thrown in there because of her last name. They want the casuals to tune in and say “Oh look, Ric Flair’s daughter!” Nothing more, nothing less. I've explained my stance on why Charlotte is needed in this match in other threads so I won't get into it here, i'll leave it at that Haha, I don't blame you. Both sides have made good points, but it's one of those discussions that's been done to death.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2019 19:48:48 GMT -5
I've explained my stance on why Charlotte is needed in this match in other threads so I won't get into it here, i'll leave it at that Hahaha, both sides have made good points but we've been through that one so many times already! At this point it is pretty much a silent truce on the subject
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