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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 8, 2019 4:23:43 GMT -5
Good match severely handicapped by the fans being exhausted from seven hours of the show by that point, while Becky beating Ronda was the correct result, it was completely clunky and awkward how they got there, and it fell really flat as a result.
As great as Bryan/Kingston was, they'd have suffered the same fate had they gone on last - as long as this current format exists, you want to be in the middle of the WrestleMania card rather than the main event, as that's when the fans will peak.
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Post by masterthought on Apr 8, 2019 4:37:59 GMT -5
Maybe why this is the reason for the f*** finish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 4:38:43 GMT -5
Good match severely handicapped by the fans being exhausted from seven hours of the show by that point, while Becky beating Ronda was the correct result, it was completely clunky and awkward how they got there, and it fell really flat as a result. As great as Bryan/Kingston was, they'd have suffered the same fate had they gone on last - as long as this current format exists, you want to be in the middle of the WrestleMania card rather than the main event, as that's when the fans will peak. That was the lesson I took from this as well. It was cool that they got to go on last for the first time and the crowd was into it, but I'd rather be in the opener especially when the show's that long.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 8, 2019 5:42:44 GMT -5
Maybe why this is the reason for the f*** finish. holy crla that sucks , how often do you see wrestlers break habd
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 8, 2019 5:48:42 GMT -5
Maybe why this is the reason for the f*** finish. holy crla that sucks , how often do you see wrestlers break habd Apparently it was picked up in pre-match medicals, so she actually went into that match injured.
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Post by mo on Apr 8, 2019 6:42:47 GMT -5
Didn’t really think it was all that great to be honest, and the ending definitely didn’t help it. I’ll need to watch it again though, at that point I was just ready for it to be over more than anything else and that might have to do with how I felt about it.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 8, 2019 7:12:05 GMT -5
I didn't like the finish. Becky should have made Ronda tap instead of the flash pin. I'd rather see them go one on one. Glad Becky won though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 7:19:19 GMT -5
I said it before the event, going on last doesn’t mean what it used to, and now with the length of the show itself, going on last is probably more hurtful than beneficial.
Watching a 3 hour PPV can be long, but 7 hours? That’s insanity. No match on this card would have been good going on last.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 8, 2019 7:25:36 GMT -5
My headcannon was Vince just got so tired and told the ref "**** it go home already"
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Post by Moppy on Apr 8, 2019 8:32:29 GMT -5
My headcannon was Vince just got so tired and told the ref "**** it go home already" You may not be far off. I thought I saw the ref tell Becky to go home not long before the sudden finish. But yeah, anyway, these conflicting reports are confusing me, have they been straightened out yet? I so hope they didn't f*** up the close of Wrestlemania, the women involved deserve better.
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Post by BitterAF on Apr 8, 2019 8:49:09 GMT -5
Didn't read this whole thread, but read elsewhere Ronda didn't kick out and Becky was to be Charlotte tap.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 8, 2019 9:00:09 GMT -5
The crowd was really too dead for it to ever be as good as it was supposed to be, and I was scared from the moment the table got brought in that it wouldn't break with them weighing less, and it didn't.
I said before the show a while ago that now that the match has happened, it won't matter whether it was good. It just matters that it happened. These three women were the first women to main event Mania.
And Becky got the biggest push she could have possibly gotten short of winning the match way cleaner, and in years to come, they won't be talking about the controversial finish, they'll be talking about Becky leaving as champion.
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Post by Steveweiser on Apr 8, 2019 9:15:43 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer reports, contradictory to Sean Ross Sapp, that Becky pinning Ronda was the planned finish, but it was an accident that Ronda's shoulder came up during the sequence. Dave doubted that it was Ronda going into business for herself, it was just the way the sequence was set up. Dave and Bryan Alvarez had a debate about why when they knew Ronda was leaving, why she wouldn't submit to the Disarmher, and seemingly hinted that someone high up suggested that Ronda do not submit.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Apr 8, 2019 10:04:02 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer reports, contradictory to Sean Ross Sapp, that Becky pinning Ronda was the planned finish, but it was an accident that Ronda's shoulder came up during the sequence. Dave doubted that it was Ronda going into business for herself, it was just the way the sequence was set up. Dave and Bryan Alvarez had a debate about why when they knew Ronda was leaving, why she wouldn't submit to the Disarmher, and seemingly hinted that someone high up suggested that Ronda do not submit.It's probably f***ing Michael Hayes. 90% of the idiot "maintain the status quo" decisions come from that moron.
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 8, 2019 10:22:50 GMT -5
I thought the match was pretty damn good on performances alone, right up to the finish. Felt bad for them that the crowd was so wiped out - that ambiance just wasn't there for them. Between the length of the show in general and the Triple H, Roman and Angle matches specifically, you just can't do that to the crowd and expect the best atmosphere for your main event.
Re: the finish, I groaned. I didn't mind the concept of a cool surprise counter for the win (not every match has to end on someone's finisher), but it seemed obvious that Rhonda's shoulders weren't supposed to come up like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 11:00:44 GMT -5
Dave Meltzer reports, contradictory to Sean Ross Sapp, that Becky pinning Ronda was the planned finish, but it was an accident that Ronda's shoulder came up during the sequence. Dave doubted that it was Ronda going into business for herself, it was just the way the sequence was set up. Dave and Bryan Alvarez had a debate about why when they knew Ronda was leaving, why she wouldn't submit to the Disarmher, and seemingly hinted that someone high up suggested that Ronda do not submit. Whoever it was that suggested that she shouldn’t submit(and it could be anyone) is a complete moron. That was the entire point of the build and match, someone just played themselves.
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Post by Goldash #BLM on Apr 8, 2019 11:08:45 GMT -5
I keep on thinking that maybe Ronda getting a fluky pinfall loss wasn't the best way to keep her strong.
Of course it sets up a big one-on-one rematch in Toronto (or sooner) but you could have done the same thing had Charlotte took the L and Ronda going all prima-donna on pro wrestling booking since she never "lost".
I guess, with the fluke loss, they want to take the Becky/Ronda angle into even more meta territory, so more power to them, I guess.
Old school rasslin logic or otherwise, a "I was never pinned" angle can be just as effective and would lead to the same exact heat for the rematch with enough time and care put in...neither of which applies to the majority of modern WWE writing.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 8, 2019 12:04:39 GMT -5
She reversed Ronda’s finish into a pinfall. That’s not a fluke, that’s a clean as f*** win. That’s like saying “Oh, it’s not a real win. They only won by a field goal, not a touchdown” or “Wonderboy was winning that whole fight til Pettis knocked him out. That’s a fluke for Pettis, doesn’t count!!” Its asinine. She didn’t rake the eyes, she didn’t kick her in the box, she used her wrestling skills to counter a wrestling move, to pin her opponents shoulders to the mat for a count of 3. Clean as you f***ing get.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 8, 2019 12:06:11 GMT -5
Loved it except for the funky ending, but it makes sense for story purposes. Them ladies were going hard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 12:13:16 GMT -5
That ending was balls. Becky's win should have been a huge pop. And the commentary team afterwards ruined it further. Really disappointing.
Happy that Becky won, Charlotte was amazing and proved why she had to be in that match and Ronda was entertaining and took some great bumps. That shitty ending though.
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