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Post by 4real on Apr 12, 2019 11:05:47 GMT -5
I remember before her call-up, posting here that Bayley was the one person they couldn't possibly mess up. As usual, I overestimated them. I think most people were saying she could be the company’s female John Cena. So was and still is incredibly popular especially with the NXT crowd and how WWE messed that up I don’t know. That’s why I’m terrified about NXT’s can’t miss current guy getting called up (Dream). If I was her I’d be very unhappy Sasha is leaving, but she has leverage now. She can threaten to leave unless WWE actually does something big with her. Hopefully she stays and gets that push now that the lady that WWE ignored for so long (Becky) finally got her deserved mega push.
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Post by octopus on Apr 12, 2019 11:06:17 GMT -5
In the States. I know its the cool thing to shit on Impact here but their live attendance and merch sales have gone up. 2 years or so ago they couldn't draw 100 people. Now they're doing respectable ECW sized crowds. Their Critical Transformation show coming up with UCW could be their largest crowd in years. Their international deals are very good. Konnan went into depth about Impacts TV around the world on his podcast. Only thing they need to improve is their TV in the States which according to PWInsider they are doing so. Impact is not dead no matter how you portray it infact they have adapted pretty well. The company that will suffer from AEW looks to be Ring of Honor. While it may be doing a lot better than it was a few years ago, it’s still a non-factor alternative to WWE. Especially when they’re putting so much focus on the women now. You’d be crazy to walk away from that. You mean "competition"? MLW is an alternative, ROH is an alternative (or is it?), PWG is an alternative.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 12, 2019 11:06:27 GMT -5
AEW has really changed the landscape and they don't even have a TV show yet. Since their big announcement, Ambrose decided to peace out. Sasha asked for her release. Bayley sounds like she might. Tye Dillinger asked for his. Hideo Itami did as well. There were also reports of The Revival looking for an exit. Like I said, that's all before AEW has a TV show. Imagine after they've been on TV for a year. WWE needs to start making their talent happy now.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 12, 2019 11:06:33 GMT -5
Eh I don’t get any of it. Sasha and Bayley are both in their 20’s still while Lynch/Charlotte/Rousey are all in their early 30’s. Not everyone is going to be coddled and treated like the greatest of all time. In the grand scheme of things, Bayley and Sasha are always in the conversation on WWE TV as the top 5 women on the roster. They’re the ones who always come across as lifers. And they should know as well anyone that there are peaks and valleys in the business. So what they lost in a 4 way to two other deserving and extremely talented women.
Long story short, if they’re gonna complain that they’re not being used right when they’re constantly touted as top talent and presented as such over almost all the other women, then I dunno, maybe we should rename the belts to the DIVAS championships? Because good lord, they have it pretty damn good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:06:47 GMT -5
Give her some more money, pal! How about an afterthought of a title reign where you do nothing of substance, goddammit!
Vince McMahon will never address the systemic issues that have ratings falling and talent camping out at AEW headquarters because he *is* the system. He can refute criticisms and insist on doing the things the way he's always done them because he's had decades of success and made billions of dollars - and hell, it's a damn good justification.
Meanwhile, everyone else sees a ship filling up with water while the captain - who lost the map years ago - tries to plug the holes with scotch tape.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:06:56 GMT -5
I think most people were saying she could be the company’s female John Cena. It was to the point where Meltzer and Alvarez were saying it due to her merch sales and connection to kids but of course that all changed.
Bayley was f***ed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:08:02 GMT -5
You’re talking about a woman who’s mad she had to lose a scripted wrestling match here. She wants the limelight on HER. That’s why she’s pissed it’s on the IIconic’s... That much is obvious. Making music is a lot different to being a wrestler. If wrestling didn’t make money, nobody would do it. Without the fans, it is nothing. People have been making music as a hobby since the beginning of time. That's not the point of Sasha (and seemingly Bayley's) frustration. Reports said Sasha was made she was losing the belts because she wanted to make them strong credible titles compared to the IIconics who, in her opinion, will be making them seem as comedic props. To you it looks like she's doing it because losing the title but to me when I see that it looks as though as she's mad that the belts they fought day in and day out for will be made to look like jokes when they introduced them they were made out to be serious. It's more about the belts rather than who will be the most "winningest winning superstar on the roster." The reports even stated the comedy prop association for a reason. There's a difference between belts being serious titles rather than comedy titles. No one knows how the IIconics will do with the belts, no one knows if they'll make them legit but if that's what Sasha believes then yeah there's a difference.
We don't have to use music because, again, I go to this Ambrose quote.
I'm seeing a lot of people speaking on this situation lately that I'm discovering aren't creatives themselves. There's just something different about being an artistic creative that many won't get. [/quote] Who’s to say the IIconic’s finally getting beat won’t be a big moment? Having them retain the titles and be as sickeningly obnoxious about it is basic heel heat 101. The team that finally shuts them up will get a massive pop for doing so. From what I gather here.. Sasha wanted to go to show after show after show and beat everyone. If that is the case, I can see why they would think she’s being a mark for herself. She pushed for the titles and that’s great... but she said she did it for the women. That includes all of the women. Not just herself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:13:55 GMT -5
Who’s to say the IIconic’s finally getting beat won’t be a big moment? Having them retain the titles and be as sickeningly obnoxious about it is basic heel heat 101. The team that finally shuts them up will get a massive pop for doing so. From what I gather here.. Sasha wanted to go to show after show after show and beat everyone. If that is the case, I can see why they would think she’s being a mark for herself. She pushed for the titles and that’s great... but she said she did it for the women. That includes all of the women. Not just herself. I'm not saying someone beating the IIconics will be bad. I like the IIconics and think they're making the belts look better than Sasha and Bayley did but that's due to the style. IIconics are more about entertainment, more about comedy compared to Bayley and Sasha who were more about the sport aspect it. It's just different ways to portray the titles. Sasha felt their way was better than the IIconics way and I can see why she'd say that, nobody knows. It's just a presentation situation as she feels her and Bayley's style of champions is better for the titles.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 12, 2019 11:16:30 GMT -5
I think she has bigger gripe than Sasha.it seems every segment bayley is involve in,it is made to make her look like a dope.
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Post by spagett on Apr 12, 2019 11:21:42 GMT -5
Eh I don’t get any of it. Sasha and Bayley are both in their 20’s still while Lynch/Charlotte/Rousey are all in their early 30’s. Not everyone is going to be coddled and treated like the greatest of all time. In the grand scheme of things, Bayley and Sasha are always in the conversation on WWE TV as the top 5 women on the roster. They’re the ones who always come across as lifers. And they should know as well anyone that there are peaks and valleys in the business. So what they lost in a 4 way to two other deserving and extremely talented women. Long story short, if they’re gonna complain that they’re not being used right when they’re constantly touted as top talent and presented as such over almost all the other women, then I dunno, maybe we should rename the belts to the DIVAS championships? Because good lord, they have it pretty damn good. Sitting around waiting for things to improve just seems like the Dolph Ziggler recipe for disaster. I think these wrestlers being unhappy and leaving is a good thing. They're taking a risk of course but that's good, if it makes them happier outside the WWE then good for them and from a personal POV I'd love to see the likes of Sasha and Bayley or the Revival or Dean Ambrose go somewhere else and thrive. This mentality of "so what if you're unhappy, suck it up" is a very modern thing in wrestling. Prior to 2001 we had about 80 years of guys being unhappy with their situation in a wrestling company being able to leave and go somewhere else. A much healthier situation for the wrestlers, hopefully we're returning to something like that.
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Post by salz4life on Apr 12, 2019 11:32:25 GMT -5
A heel Sasha is a perfect a rival for Becky through the summer to be fair. Before hearing all of the rumors about them being upset, I kind of thought this was the next step for both of them.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 12, 2019 11:40:44 GMT -5
I think she has bigger gripe than Sasha.it seems every segment bayley is involve in,it is made to make her look like a dope. Yeah I've never really "got" Baylz but I still kinda feel bad for how they managed to turn people against her with dumb stories. They managed to get her booed during that promo when she was really injured. Crazy.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 12, 2019 11:45:26 GMT -5
Many people, especially those that didn't watch NXT, I feel like don't understand what an absolute waste of Bayley this has been, even compared to Sasha.
Bayley had enormous potential as a babyface who appealed to all ages and genders and was relatable. She could have been one of the hottest talents they had.
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Post by chrom on Apr 12, 2019 11:47:17 GMT -5
I'm glad talent is standing up for themselves more and more often nowadays instead of trudging along
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Post by grungesmurf on Apr 12, 2019 12:00:12 GMT -5
Not saying AEW will be this grand company but, maybe if they are and talent wants to leave the creative team will be inspired again like the days when WCW was around.
Being unhappy for long periods of time isn’t healthy and shouldn’t be told you should be happy because points abc. Take time off or possibly yes go elsewhere to seek happiness.
I liked Bayley in NXT, but barely pay attention to her on the main roster. Get her off the red brand. Maybe being on Smackdown with a different set of writers will be the refresher she needs.
I also like the IIconics hope they continue the Boss & Hug Connections plans of defending the titles on the three different brands.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 12, 2019 12:00:40 GMT -5
Tbh the shelf life of a women wrestler on the main roster tends to be pretty short. I am not just talking about injuries but in general, if you get to the top pretty early then you are kind of spinning your wheels the rest of your run. Bayley and Sasha have been on the main roster for about 4 ish years which seems to be the lifespan for most women who get push to the top of the card.
Idk I just think the women's division will always be rotating talent around because of injuries/pregnancy/not a lot to do so it's hard to see a lot of people staying 7+ years near the top.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Apr 12, 2019 12:27:16 GMT -5
Eh I don’t get any of it. Sasha and Bayley are both in their 20’s still while Lynch/Charlotte/Rousey are all in their early 30’s. Not everyone is going to be coddled and treated like the greatest of all time. In the grand scheme of things, Bayley and Sasha are always in the conversation on WWE TV as the top 5 women on the roster. They’re the ones who always come across as lifers. And they should know as well anyone that there are peaks and valleys in the business. So what they lost in a 4 way to two other deserving and extremely talented women. Long story short, if they’re gonna complain that they’re not being used right when they’re constantly touted as top talent and presented as such over almost all the other women, then I dunno, maybe we should rename the belts to the DIVAS championships? Because good lord, they have it pretty damn good. Sitting around waiting for things to improve just seems like the Dolph Ziggler recipe for disaster. I think these wrestlers being unhappy and leaving is a good thing. They're taking a risk of course but that's good, if it makes them happier outside the WWE then good for them and from a personal POV I'd love to see the likes of Sasha and Bayley or the Revival or Dean Ambrose go somewhere else and thrive. This mentality of "so what if you're unhappy, suck it up" is a very modern thing in wrestling. Prior to 2001 we had about 80 years of guys being unhappy with their situation in a wrestling company being able to leave and go somewhere else. A much healthier situation for the wrestlers, hopefully we're returning to something like that. To be clear, I never said "if you're unhappy, suck it up" I just said I don't get it since they seem to be treated much better creatively and also the general optics of their status as top stars. They're more than welcome to assess their worth and receive offers from competitors and WWE can figure out if maybe they owe them more money, etc. I'm just saying it'll be a huge letdown for them to leave to go somewhere that talks a big game but has literally no track record of backing anything up given that they've only ever done ONE show in their company's history. So the jury is out on what kind of spotlight they would get, the stability of the pay, the merch % etc etc etc. Hopefully they continue to weather the storm is all.
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Post by sportatorium on Apr 12, 2019 12:42:51 GMT -5
I get their frustration and hope the narrative doesn’t become about them simply dropping the belts. They seemed like they were ready to put in the work to get the women’s tag titles over. The team they dropped them to wasn’t regularly wrestling and certainly hadn’t been presented as a real threat with any heat. Then, getting booked to job to Alexa Bliss in a singles match as the follow up pretty much says that they are about hit reset #7592 for both of them.
Both of them are extremely talented wrestlers and I hope they can get things worked out. Both are way too good to feel this frustrated.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 12, 2019 12:47:13 GMT -5
Sean who was sourced in the original post has just said on twitter that he never actually said this at all anywhere. Someone want to get the sourcing straight and we'll open this back up
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