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Post by Paul on Aug 27, 2019 14:10:43 GMT -5
Today's lesson is "Don't do sketchy things, or it might land you in a whole lot of trouble".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 14:20:56 GMT -5
Looking at his stats it doesn't seem like speaking out on the matter's done him any good, he's consistently lost subscribers every day since at least the end of July but today's thus far lost almost five times as many as yesterday did.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 27, 2019 14:30:29 GMT -5
Looking at his stats it doesn't seem like speaking out on the matter's done him any good, he's consistently lost subscribers every day since at least the end of July but today's thus far lost almost five times as many as yesterday did. This is his first main channel upload in nearly a year. It's likely some people who followed the shitstorm didn't even realise they were subbed until this notification pinged
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2019 14:31:23 GMT -5
I mean it's good he stated his side on this aspect... but it seems like this should have come out earlier.
But I can also understand wanting to make sure you get all of the information to respond to the big accusations.
This whole situation is weird...
I also doubt we are ever going to get the whole story as to what really happened between him, Heidi and Holly, I think they all aren't being fully honest with what happened ... and honestly as I don't know any of them personally it's really none of my business.
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Post by Spider2024 on Aug 27, 2019 14:33:12 GMT -5
Notes:
So he does admit to "cybering" with fans and otherwise people who wanted to. With full consent, he points out. Mmm, idk, it's still sleazy sounding. Adam Blampied tried to do similar stuff, maybe even to a lesser extent, and he was still skewered and felt the need to go away. Even with the stuff he says are true, he does sound like a bit of a 'sex hound'.
Quick note I feel the need to say: Any version of 'they said/they said' stories can by dangerous, especially when there's little or no concrete proof either way. Thus, I think anyone who's accused of anything bad, that they didn't do and know that they didn't do, should be able to scream that they didn't do such bad stuff. Nobody should be inflicted with any false accusations, no matter what the accusation is or who is being accused. Nobody would want that upon themselves, I know that for a fact! So on that note, PJ better be telling the truth & only the truth there, or else the shit will come back to him even worse than it was.
I think at least one good moral of this story is: No one should cyber. Especially with any kind of photos. Just in case one of them turns out to be underaged, but not just for that reason. Because you're no angel either, adult person who cybers with an adult person even with 100% proof of adult age.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Aug 27, 2019 14:59:06 GMT -5
Malnourished Matt Taven lookin ass
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Post by Cyno on Aug 27, 2019 15:36:01 GMT -5
If he did it with minors, there is no consent.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 27, 2019 15:54:26 GMT -5
not gonna wath 40 minutes.can someone tldr and point out what the evidence is?
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Post by Sigma: Current SRW Champ! on Aug 27, 2019 15:55:26 GMT -5
It's getting to the point where both of them just need to go on The Maury Show and take the Lie Detector Test.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 27, 2019 15:57:54 GMT -5
Notes: So he does admit to "cybering" with fans and otherwise people who wanted to. With full consent, he points out. Mmm, idk, it's still sleazy sounding. Adam Blampied tried to do similar stuff, maybe even to a lesser extent, and he was still skewered and felt the need to go away. Even with the stuff he says are true, he does sound like a bit of a 'sex hound'. Quick note I feel the need to say: Any version of 'they said/they said' stories can by dangerous, especially when there's little or no concrete proof either way. Thus, I think anyone who's accused of anything bad, that they didn't do and know that they didn't do, should be able to scream that they didn't do such bad stuff. Nobody should be inflicted with any false accusations, no matter what the accusation is or who is being accused. Nobody would want that upon themselves, I know that for a fact! So on that note, PJ better be telling the truth & only the truth there, or else the shit will come back to him even worse than it was. I think at least one good moral of this story is: No one should cyber. Especially with any kind of photos. Just in case one of them turns out to be underaged, but not just for that reason. Because you're no angel either, adult person who cybers with an adult person even with 100% proof of adult age. That’s a quality boomer post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:02:48 GMT -5
Because you're no angel either, adult person who cybers with an adult person even with 100% proof of adult age. Why? I'm not seeing any way in which, provided both parties are properly able to consent and there's no potential infidelity, there's anything at all amoral about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:19:51 GMT -5
It's getting to the point where both of them just need to go on The Maury Show and take the Lie Detector Test. Eh... It's not Section 8 enough for Maury. Dr. Phil, on the other hand...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:21:17 GMT -5
not gonna wath 40 minutes.can someone tldr and point out what the evidence is? "They lyin' to you, MAN!"
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Post by Spider2024 on Aug 27, 2019 16:23:14 GMT -5
Because you're no angel either, adult person who cybers with an adult person even with 100% proof of adult age. Why? I'm not seeing any way in which, provided both parties are properly able to consent and there's no potential infidelity, there's anything at all amoral about it. Fair enough. I guess it's fine as long as it's monogamy. But it seems like Jared was going for multiple partners to do such. Maybe not simultaneously, maybe more like being a 'playa', something like that would make it way more complicated.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2019 16:34:40 GMT -5
not gonna wath 40 minutes.can someone tldr and point out what the evidence is? for the two that accused him of sending nudes to. The first he stated he has no knowledge of talking to one of them... and found that the accuser had a history of delusions that started around the time the alleged incident happened. the other he showed the full text logs that showed that A. the accuser was the one that imitated contact with Jared and not the other way around as the accuser has been stating and B. that Jared's first response was asking if he was over 18.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 27, 2019 16:39:54 GMT -5
Nice he has explanations/refutations for some stuff.
Doesn't, y'know, do anything to address creeping on PushingUpRoses and skeeving her out or other shit he's been accused of. Dude's still a creepazoid.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 27, 2019 16:45:39 GMT -5
not gonna wath 40 minutes.can someone tldr and point out what the evidence is? for the two that accused him of sending nudes to. The first he stated he has no knowledge of talking to one of them... and found that the accuser had a history of delusions that started around the time the alleged incident happened. the other he showed the full text logs that showed that A. the accuser was the one that imitated contact with Jared and not the other way around as the accuser has been stating and B. that Jared's first response was asking if he was over 18. I assume it doesn't look fake either.Cool. Dude can be a creep but that ain't no crime. Fake accusations like that are no joke and while he clearly has fans he won't ever recover,it seems he got back on track.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:07:43 GMT -5
Well, it's only a matter of time before we get a "10 youtubers who are complete dicks" video. I admire your optimism. At this point, I think we probably can do Top 20 youtubers who have shown their dicks
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 27, 2019 17:42:39 GMT -5
Some of stuff he's said and shown in this video is compelling, but the theories as to why and how the accusations were made do feel a bit "conspiracy-theory-ish", for lack of a better term. I think it'd be best for all involved to stick to the fact and refrain from making any conjecture. Perhaps it's because it's only because I've followed him for years and he always seemed like a chill and approachable guy but I really want to believe him. I just hope I can trust him on that one. And don't get me wrong, I fully acknowledge that obviously, he's just gonna tlel his side of the story and it's likely he's also being selective in the information he gives, so I'm not blindly trusting him either. I mean it's good he stated his side on this aspect... but it seems like this should have come out earlier. But I can also understand wanting to make sure you get all of the information to respond to the big accusations. This whole situation is weird... I also doubt we are ever going to get the whole story as to what really happened between him, Heidi and Holly, I think they all aren't being fully honest with what happened ... and honestly as I don't know any of them personally it's really none of my business. That last part hit the nail right on the head. We don't NEED to know the whole story, I just want to know if Jared is the sort of people who can be trusted in society or not. Hell, even if it turned out he really did cheat on Heidi, I wouldn't give a shit as it's a private matter, it's between the two of them and no-one has any right on their private life.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 27, 2019 17:44:52 GMT -5
not gonna wath 40 minutes.can someone tldr and point out what the evidence is? The main points from what I remember (still processing it, apologies if I forget some): - he acknowledges that the nude exchanges with fans was unhealthy, and that whether he realized it at the time or not, there was a power imbalance. However, he denies having ever manipulated anybody and insists (with screenshots supporting this) that he always asked for both consent and age; - he brings up the two people who have claimed he sent them dick pics and required nudes from while being underage and aware of it. For one of them, Chai (his Twitter handle), he says he has no memory of even ever interacting with them and points to an article where that person claims to have suffered an accident that made him lose all memory of the time during which he claims he interacted with Jared, and to have suffered hallucinations and memory issues for some time after. He also brings up the fact that Chai's account was suspended for harassment; - regarding the second person, known only as Charlie (again, Twitter handle), he does remember interacting with them but claims (again, with screenshots backing it up) to have asked for their age and that they repeatedly claimed to be of age, he denies having manipulated them by pointing out that they are the one who continued the interaction. He also accuses them of trying to assassinate his character by sending some of Jared's contacts, rather than the police or any other for of authority, an e-mail accusing him, which requested that he apologize, only to then publicly claim that Jared's apology (which he made as a reaction to that e-mail) was manipulative and sending another contact the exact same e-mail, but with the apology request removed, as well as insisting that Jared's apology constituted a confession. He also points out tweets where Charlie backpedaled on his claims that Jared knew he was underage. He also points out that he hasn't sent nudes to either of them; - he then accuses them of using this controversy for personal gain, pointing out to them asking for donations and publishing their Amazon wishlist among others. If I may throw in my two cents here, it's one of the things where I can't really agree with Jared there. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's what's going on, but it feels like making too much of a leap IMO, especially since it's not uncommon (or inappropriate) for victims of such things to ask for financial support to help them in their legal or personal endeavours. And generally speaking the "they have something to sell" angle rarely seems convincing to me; - he also brings up two other accusers, one named Pamela Horton, who claims that he looked up nudes of her, forcibly showed them to his friends, made lewd remarks to her and generally acted inappropriate and disrespectful, and Amelia Talon, who relayed this story and claimed he also looked up and showed nudes of her. Jared first points out that Horton was not present when this supposedly happened but instead heard it from a third party (neither was Talon, who also stated to have heard this from a third-party), then argues that during this alleged event, three other people were with him, none of whom have confirmed this story (two deny it and one hasn't commented and currently works with Horton). He does remember the event they were at and says that he showed people a (non-nude) Bayonetta cosplay Horton did. As for the other claims of inappropriateness, according to people he asked about it, it supposedly happened during an E3 panel between Jared, Horton and MatPat... which Jared wasn't actually a part of, as he states he has never done a panel with either Horton or MatPat, and in fact has never done a panel at E3 at all. He also claims to have met Horton on several occasions later and that she never seemed to have a problem with him; - he's not accusing Horton of lying. However, he believes the nude photos stuff is a misunderstanding (again, it was related by a third party) and the E3 panel stuff is something that did happen but with someone else; - he also denies having cheated on Heidi, claiming he made it clear months before that he wanted a divorce, that she refused, started threatening his carer and reputation (something either he or Holly has backed up with screenshots in the past, I don't remember exactly) and that he even ended up looking up his legal options to terminate their marriage despite her objections. He once again reminds people that Heidi was aware and approving of the nude exchanges with fans, which Heidi herself confirmed when this all started, although she claims she ended up having second thoughts and asked him to stop, and that Jared lied about having stopped doing it. He also claims that Holly didn't cheat on Ross and that this relationship was over too when hers and Jared's started.
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