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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 27, 2019 17:45:09 GMT -5
Well, it's only a matter of time before we get a "10 youtubers who are complete dicks" video. I admire your optimism. At this point, I think we probably can do Top 20 youtubers who have shown their dicks Ongoing series. With the end episode being a twisteroo with it being revealed that the person who was responsible for that show was also outed as a creeper and a dick, and that the show was canceled.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2019 18:06:55 GMT -5
So that I don't have to give this guy a YouTube hit, is he seriously claiming that just asking for someone's age is checking enough, even repeatedly? Cause it ain't. And I feel like if you're having to ask repeatedly, you know that. Why? I'm not seeing any way in which, provided both parties are properly able to consent and there's no potential infidelity, there's anything at all amoral about it. Fair enough. I guess it's fine as long as it's monogamy. But it seems like Jared was going for multiple partners to do such. Maybe not simultaneously, maybe more like being a 'playa', something like that would make it way more complicated. Uh. Why does it being non-monagmous inherently make it bad? Complicated, sure. And a terrible idea for many people, as a lot can't get monogamy right either.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 27, 2019 18:16:45 GMT -5
So that I don't have to give this guy a YouTube hit, is he seriously claiming that just asking for someone's age is checking enough, even repeatedly? Cause it ain't. And I feel like if you're having to ask repeatedly, you know that. Fair enough. I guess it's fine as long as it's monogamy. But it seems like Jared was going for multiple partners to do such. Maybe not simultaneously, maybe more like being a 'playa', something like that would make it way more complicated. Uh. Why does it being non-monagmous inherently make it bad? Complicated, sure. And a terrible idea for many people, as a lot can't get monogamy right either. I feel like that is a muddy area. Including in law itself it varies if it is a legit defense or not. I guess always ask for ID
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2019 18:25:57 GMT -5
So that I don't have to give this guy a YouTube hit, is he seriously claiming that just asking for someone's age is checking enough, even repeatedly? Cause it ain't. And I feel like if you're having to ask repeatedly, you know that. Uh. Why does it being non-monagmous inherently make it bad? Complicated, sure. And a terrible idea for many people, as a lot can't get monogamy right either. I feel like that is a muddy area. Including in law itself it varies if it is a legit defense or not. I guess always ask for ID Yeah, people probably should always ask for ID. I don't feel like it's muddy, I think people's feelings towards it are.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2019 18:32:40 GMT -5
I feel like that is a muddy area. Including in law itself it varies if it is a legit defense or not. I guess always ask for ID Yeah, people probably should always ask for ID. I don't feel like it's muddy, I think people's feelings towards it are. He said the ID thing he thought people wouldn't want to doxx themselves. which is weird considering what people WERE posting but I kinda get it... sorta?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 27, 2019 18:39:36 GMT -5
Yeah, people probably should always ask for ID. I don't feel like it's muddy, I think people's feelings towards it are. He said the ID thing he thought people wouldn't want to doxx themselves. which is weird considering what people WERE posting but I kinda get it... sorta? That to me just sounds like a reason why someone in his position shouldn't be doing this kind of thing at all. There are plenty of logical reasons why you wouldn't ask for ID. I don't think I ever have, but that's mainly because of sticking largely to my own generation and older. But logic and the law don't always add up anyway.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 27, 2019 20:02:00 GMT -5
A polyamorous relationship isn't one when one partner goes behind the other partner's or partners' back(s). That's just cheating.
Now if it started out as poly, but the other partner didn't want to be in one anymore, either respect the new boundaries of the now-monogamous relationship or end it. Then again, I don't really care about the personal drama between Projared and his spouse and the other people involved so much as all the other things.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2019 20:20:35 GMT -5
A polyamorous relationship isn't one when one partner goes behind the other partner's or partners' back(s). That's just cheating. Now if it started out as poly, but the other partner didn't want to be in one anymore, either respect the new boundaries of the now-monogamous relationship or end it. Then again, I don't really care about the personal drama between Projared and his spouse and the other people involved so much as all the other things. Yeah, and like I said I think all three parties involved in that mess aren't being entirely forthcoming in their side... but that wasn't really the parts I had issue with since I don't actually know them.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 27, 2019 20:24:57 GMT -5
He said the ID thing he thought people wouldn't want to doxx themselves. which is weird considering what people WERE posting but I kinda get it... sorta? That to me just sounds like a reason why someone in his position shouldn't be doing this kind of thing at all. There are plenty of logical reasons why you wouldn't ask for ID. I don't think I ever have, but that's mainly because of sticking largely to my own generation and older. But logic and the law don't always add up anyway. This right here. The logic of "Hey, I'm a popular retro game reviewer, but I want to create a place for people to send nude photos to me." This sounds like a skeevy dude using his power as a youtube star with his fanbase to try and hookup with fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:56:34 GMT -5
It's an obvious knee-jerk reaction on social media given how people immediately go "ProJared Innocent" because they want their content back, even though ProJared stopped being a regular contributor of videos and went to just streaming instead, given our nature to not want our heroes besmirched.
I still say he's a scumlord and a pedo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:11:43 GMT -5
It's an obvious knee-jerk reaction on social media given how people immediately go "ProJared Innocent" because they want their content back, even though ProJared stopped being a regular contributor of videos and went to just streaming instead, given our nature to not want our heroes besmirched. I still say he's a scumlord and a pedo. I had to just bail out on an ActualJake stream because it was basically nothing but playing the video, taking everything in it at face value, and shouting down anyone who questioned pretty much any aspect of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 21:40:43 GMT -5
Imo the only victim in this whole mess is Ross. ProJared, Holly and Heidi all seem like shitty people in this situation.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 27, 2019 21:43:52 GMT -5
It's an obvious knee-jerk reaction on social media given how people immediately go "ProJared Innocent" because they want their content back, even though ProJared stopped being a regular contributor of videos and went to just streaming instead, given our nature to not want our heroes besmirched. I still say he's a scumlord and a pedo. I had to just bail out on an ActualJake stream because it was basically nothing but playing the video, taking everything in it at face value, and shouting down anyone who questioned pretty much any aspect of it. It makes me hope PBG stays away from Jared. He doesn't need to be pulled into that shit again.
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Post by Paul on Aug 28, 2019 0:06:36 GMT -5
A lot of these YouTube game/movie reviewers are socially awkward (for one reason or another) and just don't have a lot of "people skills" so they don't have a lot of good judgement when it comes to how to behave and act around/with people.
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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 28, 2019 1:51:27 GMT -5
Isn't a bit convenient that this video dropped days before DragonCon? A convention Heidi will be at.
I don't care who's right or wrong, that's just a dick move.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 1:55:43 GMT -5
Isn't a bit convenient that this video dropped days before DragonCon? A convention Heidi will be at. I don't care who's right or wrong, that's just a dick move. Being fair it's really not even addressing her.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Aug 28, 2019 3:24:33 GMT -5
So that I don't have to give this guy a YouTube hit, is he seriously claiming that just asking for someone's age is checking enough, even repeatedly? Cause it ain't. And I feel like if you're having to ask repeatedly, you know that. I can see your point to an extent but at the same time, personal accountability is a thing. When someone makes an effort to check and the other is going out of their way to repeatedly lie, I would argue that the lie is in fact the liar's responsibility. Plus, as Jared points out, it's absurdly easy to fake a scan of an ID card, so if they wanted to lie, they could have easily Photoshopped it, so there's little to no value in this. And I'm no expert on US law so I may well be wrong on this, but isn't recording other people's identification documents illegal? Even if it's not, it certainly is creepy. And of course, there's the fact that Jared isn't a cop; I don't think anyone ought to be expected to perform a thorough background check on everyone they meet, or even know how to do so. If making one swear on their honour is good enough for porn sites (which are actual businesses with all sorts of legal obligations), I argue it's good enough for private discussions.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 28, 2019 5:22:55 GMT -5
On that front, the adult in the situation really has to be smarter than what this guy did.
If you're a gaming YouTuber, you have access to your channel's statistics, and in that genre odds are good that many of your viewers are going to be young people. With that in mind, if you're going to sexually interact with any of your fans, you really do have a responsibility to be the bigger person and at least try and verify their age in some way. Scanning IDs won't happen like that over the internet, but maybe see if the person's willing to share a social media account, or some other method that allows you to get something closer to verification, otherwise just be an adult and say "I have too many underaged fans to take a chance on this; I've already had to ask multiple times, that probably means it's not worth the risk."
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 28, 2019 5:28:12 GMT -5
So that I don't have to give this guy a YouTube hit, is he seriously claiming that just asking for someone's age is checking enough, even repeatedly? Cause it ain't. And I feel like if you're having to ask repeatedly, you know that. I can see your point to an extent but at the same time, personal accountability is a thing. When someone makes an effort to check and the other is going out of their way to repeatedly lie, I would argue that the lie is in fact the liar's responsibility. Plus, as Jared points out, it's absurdly easy to fake a scan of an ID card, so if they wanted to lie, they could have easily Photoshopped it, so there's little to no value in this. And I'm no expert on US law so I may well be wrong on this, but isn't recording other people's identification documents illegal? Even if it's not, it certainly is creepy. And of course, there's the fact that Jared isn't a cop; I don't think anyone ought to be expected to perform a thorough background check on everyone they meet, or even know how to do so. If making one swear on their honour is good enough for porn sites (which are actual businesses with all sorts of legal obligations), I argue it's good enough for private discussions. All of which is fine, except that the person is legally a child, and therefore cannot take responsibility for all of this. That is the entire point of the law. And porn sites should be more stringent too.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 28, 2019 6:19:00 GMT -5
The way he worded this is like gaslighter 101
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