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Post by HMARK Center on May 12, 2019 5:57:19 GMT -5
Harassment against a person's family, even if that person has done something toxic, is gross, and unfortunately on social media there are a lot of people who probably don't care one whit for what's right or just and simply want an excuse to be an asshole to other people.
I also think a lot of people don't fully grasp how and why affairs happen, and how there's never really a single motivating factor at play. Questions like "why would you cheat on X with Y?" ignores all sorts of things that could be driving the behavior, from the interactions and chemistry two people have with one another to someone having unspoken issues in their current relationship. By the by, this is NOT excusing the dishonest behavior, but the plain truth is that human sexuality and sexual/romantic relationships are weird, multi-varied things, and you can't just view things at a surface level. I remember years and years ago all the jokes when Halle Berry was considered the hottest woman in Hollywood and her husband wound up cheating on her, and the line about it was "What more could this guy possibly want?!"...well, clearly, something else besides "be with a hot woman". Again, that doesn't mean Halle did anything to deserve being treated like that, but it's tough to know what drives certain behaviors if you don't know the principles involved and are just thinking "Man, I'd kill to be with someone who looks like that/is into the same stuff as me/etc."
That said, this story obviously has a more toxic element to it, between the gaslighting/emotional abuse and the interactions with underaged fans, and that makes this a whole other problem. Had this just been an issue of cheating, I'd settle on "People and society in general need to be more upfront and honest about potentially being interested in ethical non-monogamy/polyamory and not just dive into monogamous marriage so readily when they clearly aren't wired for it", but like the guy's now-ex wife says, he clearly seems like a person with deep-seated issues who needs to get help, and it's hard to blame any fans for feeling betrayed by his private behavior placed against his public face and thus choosing not to support him.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 12, 2019 6:13:55 GMT -5
Harassment against a person's family, even if that person has done something toxic, is gross, and unfortunately on social media there are a lot of people who probably don't care one whit for what's right or just and simply want an excuse to be an asshole to other people. I also think a lot of people don't fully grasp how and why affairs happen, and how there's never really a single motivating factor at play. Questions like "why would you cheat on X with Y?" ignores all sorts of things that could be driving the behavior, from the interactions and chemistry two people have with one another to someone having unspoken issues in their current relationship. By the by, this is NOT excusing the dishonest behavior, but the plain truth is that human sexuality and sexual/romantic relationships are weird, multi-varied things, and you can't just view things at a surface level. I remember years and years ago all the jokes when Halle Berry was considered the hottest woman in Hollywood and her husband wound up cheating on her, and the line about it was "What more could this guy possibly want?!"...well, clearly, something else besides "be with a hot woman". Again, that doesn't mean Halle did anything to deserve being treated like that, but it's tough to know what drives certain behaviors if you don't know the principles involved and are just thinking "Man, I'd kill to be with someone who looks like that/is into the same stuff as me/etc." That said, this story obviously has a more toxic element to it, between the gaslighting/emotional abuse and the interactions with underaged fans, and that makes this a whole other problem. Had this just been an issue of cheating, I'd settle on "People and society in general need to be more upfront and honest about potentially being interested in ethical non-monogamy/polyamory and not just dive into monogamous marriage so readily when they clearly aren't wired for it", but like the guy's now-ex wife says, he clearly seems like a person with deep-seated issued who need to get help, and it's hard to blame any fans for feeling betrayed by his private behavior placed against his public face and thus choosing not to support him. Yeah, like, I'll be honest. A lot of the stuff in this story sounds like he compartmentalized a lot of things to try to reconcile whatever morals he has, or as it'd seem, would like to have, and what sounds a whole lot like an awful sex addiction. There's the young fans, which is messed up as all hell, but also other women painting the picture of a guy who increasingly seemed to be on the prowl for gratification and who could become cold when he didn't get it, or did get it and moved on. People can be charming or friendly, and still fall into feeding the monster more and more, and to keep it going, they lie to themselves. Of course, that's a hell of an armchair psychiatrist perspective, but that's what it comes across as, from Heidi's tale of watching who had been her best friend and a man who she thought was full of integrity turn into a cold, distant man who on being confronted with his lies and affair, put up a wall, and all of his friends who seem increasingly devastated and questioning if they knew him at all. That's just such immensely, catastrophically self-destructive behavior. He just needs to pawn his friend's VCR to buy a rock to complete the after-school special.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on May 12, 2019 6:56:29 GMT -5
I am just stunned by this. I've been a fan of ProJared for years and he always came across as one of the most wholesome personalities on YouTube. I wouldn't even have cared about him cheating as IMO it's the kind of stuff that's really the concern of nobody but the people directly involved, but knowingly sending and requesting lewd pictures from underage fans crosses a line. Much like with JonTron, what's especially shocking is that it seems to go completely against what they stand for in public, you have no idea where this shit comes from. It's one of those things where every part of it seems to be f'ed up too; as ever, the social media champions of morality have decided this gives them free reign to harass and insult people, including family and friends whom have nothing to do with any of this in the name of "basic human decency". So many people ravel in the mob hate and the endless persecution they commit, it's just disgusting, and some people really give off the vibe that they won't be satisfied until their targets are mentally broken and/or commit suicide. It's always nice when the people fighting an awful person are just as awful. And speaking of JonTron, I don't know what the deal is with people acting like this somehow absolves him of his own abhorrent behaviour? "Someone else did something messed up, so that makes anything anyone else did okay depsite it changing nothing to what they did" ?! On a more positive side, as other people mentioned, I'm very impressed with Ross' attitude. As this has shown, being decent (no matter what the "basic human decency" people will tell you) and reasonable isn't very big on social media, so it's nice to see someone who's directly involved take such a healthy stance on it. That's something I've always found fascinating about Ross: for as puerile as he likes to act in videos, he is often one of the most mature and reasonable persons I've seen when the time calls for it. I also assume Miss Editor won't want anything to do with Projared any more. Does anybody know what else she works on or if she has her own shows? She's always been awesome and it'd be a real shame if her own YT career suffered for something she is completely innocent in. Miss Editor revealed herself to be Cheratomo, the director of Asagao Academy. old.reddit.com/r/ProJared/comments/bn902d/letter_from_miss_editor/
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Post by Mozenrath on May 12, 2019 7:09:07 GMT -5
That's a relief. I am glad she's putting herself out there, especially due to some fans, confusingly, thinking she was Heidi or Holly, neither of which made any sense for why they wouldn't have simply said so.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 12, 2019 8:20:57 GMT -5
On the sub count, his main account has lost almost 190,000 so far.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 12, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5
Holly looks perfectly fine, but even if she didn't, honestly, that's almost the least relevant part of this whole mess, anyway. The gaslighting is way more f***ed up than the cheating was, and the abuse of his power over fans. Yeah... I've seen most people focusing on the cheating and I mean yeah... that makes him a dick. I'm more angry at how he apparently was treating his wife while he was cheating... not even getting started on the alleged power abuse...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 12, 2019 11:50:14 GMT -5
, but also other women painting the picture of a guy who increasingly seemed to be on the prowl for gratification and who could become cold when he didn't get it, or did get it and moved on. People can be charming or friendly, and still fall into feeding the monster more and more, and to keep it going, they lie to themselves. Of course, that's a hell of an armchair psychiatrist perspective, but that's what it comes across as, I mean... if we're armchair psychiatry here... that's pretty much the textbook definition of Anti-social disorder/Sociopathy. not saying he has a disorder/is a sociopath but if this stuff is true he is definitely showing anti-social tendencies. Of course I'm only really saying this since well... I just covered ASD in my psychology class like last week <_< which as I pointed out was surprisingly adult of Heidi to say that even after all of this she doesn't HATE Jared (well after what he did to her... maybe not so much after the rest of the stuff >_> ) and wants him to get help.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 12, 2019 12:00:06 GMT -5
That's a relief. I am glad she's putting herself out there, especially due to some fans, confusingly, thinking she was Heidi or Holly, neither of which made any sense for why they wouldn't have simply said so. Yeah, especially doesn't make any sense as MissEditor and Holly were in his streams pretty dang often... and you could occasionally hear Heidi in the background.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on May 12, 2019 12:16:28 GMT -5
Satchell's leaving Normal Boots.
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On the sub count, his main account has lost almost 190,000 so far. He lost 2 year worth of subs in just a couple days.
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Post by eJm on May 12, 2019 18:17:28 GMT -5
This is the first of many tweets but basically...
- She and Jared weren’t ever friends but they had enough mutuals where they had encounters. - A couple of years ago, Jared made a very explicit pass to her, seemingly before the affair and after Jared’s marriage. - Many other stories like this are why, as Mozenrath mentioned earlier, she left the gaming community.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 12, 2019 18:51:22 GMT -5
This is the first of many tweets but basically... - She and Jared weren’t ever friends but they had enough mutuals where they had encounters. - A couple of years ago, Jared made a very explicit pass to her, seemingly before the affair and after Jared’s marriage. - Many other stories like this are why, as Mozenrath mentioned earlier, she left the gaming community. I'm glad Roses found a niche for herself with the Nickelodeon and Murder, She Wrote shows. I want to see her tackle Columbo sometime, but I am not sure if that's in her wheelhouse so much. Also, her and LGR are still friends, I think, which is nice, they seemed much closer than she was with any of the other gaming sphere folks.
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Post by Dub H on May 12, 2019 19:03:54 GMT -5
Reading about PushinUpRoses.
Good thing someone spoke up.hopefully more people will. I definitely dont want everyone that made a minor griavance to be under fire but hopefully we can make the community better for other people.
Luckily it seems this generations of gaming youtubers(seems at least)is much more well behaved and well meaning.
From Scott "Yall" The Woz to NitroRad, to Alpharad and even Matthew Mercer kindaof
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Post by Blindkarevik on May 12, 2019 19:15:25 GMT -5
I was very interested to see Roses comments on this, just because I remember a while back Jared started talking about her quite a bit. Mentions on social media, as well as during livestream, I think he may have mentioned her in one of his episodes too. On the surface, it always took the form of "Hey, check out her channel." But as soon as this started blowing up, I started to wonder if it was much more than that. Looks like it was.
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Post by Cyno on May 12, 2019 19:17:00 GMT -5
I am friends with someone who has known Matthew Mercer for awhile and she can't say enough nice things about him. Granted, he's a major voice actor in addition to the stuff with Critical Role, so he eclipses "Fan Youtuber Personality" status.
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Post by Dub H on May 12, 2019 19:58:47 GMT -5
I am friends with someone who has known Matthew Mercer for awhile and she can't say enough nice things about him. Granted, he's a major voice actor in addition to the stuff with Critical Role, so he eclipses "Fan Youtuber Personality" status. Yeh the kidnaof was more about "youtuber" personality ,not about being nice. From what I hear he is one of the nicest guys in the world.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 12, 2019 21:48:01 GMT -5
Leaving the SJ Standards out of this...
-The exposure towards underage people isn't the greatest look.
-If you want to make a shit ton of money off of social media and videos, you're going to be held to a higher standard.
-Don't cheat on your wife. If there are issues and therapy don't work them out, and you're a public figure, make them clear before you move on.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 12, 2019 21:52:33 GMT -5
What's intersting with this.... is like none of this would have come out if Jared just admitted to cheating...
Heidi let him get his word out first... and instead of giving a "I cheated on my wife, and because of this we are seperating" or whatever... he gave some clinical thing like ti was mutual and then blocked her on TWitter so she couldn't see it...
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Post by Mozenrath on May 12, 2019 21:57:57 GMT -5
What's intersting with this.... is like none of this would have come out if Jared just admitted to cheating... Heidi let him get his word out first... and instead of giving a "I cheated on my wife, and because of this we are seperating" or whatever... he gave some clinical thing like ti was mutual and then blocked her on TWitter so she couldn't see it... I think she would have even probably been satisfied if he didn't explicitly SAY cheating, but the way he framed it like she was having some mentally ill breakdown didn't help it at all. Some of this stuff still may have come out, but it definitely made it so much worse. Accepting some culpability always keeps it from becoming an entire bad look. Holly did herself and Jared no favors either commenting on the post, though I guess it'd have been conspicuous if she hadn't.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 12, 2019 22:12:35 GMT -5
What's intersting with this.... is like none of this would have come out if Jared just admitted to cheating... Heidi let him get his word out first... and instead of giving a "I cheated on my wife, and because of this we are seperating" or whatever... he gave some clinical thing like ti was mutual and then blocked her on TWitter so she couldn't see it... I think she would have even probably been satisfied if he didn't explicitly SAY cheating, but the way he framed it like she was having some mentally ill breakdown didn't help it at all. Some of this stuff still may have come out, but it definitely made it so much worse. Accepting some culpability always keeps it from becoming an entire bad look. Holly did herself and Jared no favors either commenting on the post, though I guess it'd have been conspicuous if she hadn't. Normal Boots was investigating SOMETHING. So yeah some of this might have come out anyway... but i do not think it would have been this massive blow up.
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