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Post by chazraps on May 19, 2019 23:46:56 GMT -5
All the money in the bank does is devalue the titles. No, it makes them more valuable. It makes them something to covet, something of status, something that matters.
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Post by Welfare Willis on May 19, 2019 23:58:41 GMT -5
Everyone is pissed about Brock and here I am wondering if Lacey Evans just ironed and bedazzled a giant foam cowboy hat.
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Post by Shark on May 20, 2019 0:08:57 GMT -5
It is really awesome and truthfully kind of amazing that Bayley is the only woman to win the NXT, Raw, Smackdown, and tag titles. That's gonna be hers for a while too. Sasha's up in the air and Charlotte is so far from the tag title scene, that wi'll be a while before she wins those.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 0:10:22 GMT -5
My takeaways from the PPV
-I'm a little surprised at how well Becky and Lacey clicked, but then again I've always liked Lacey and even I probably underrated Becky a little bit as a worker. I wouldn't mind if they had a street fight or something at Extreme Rules. -I like Charlotte and Lacey as allies, they work well together. -Getting Bayley away from Sasha and off Raw has done wonders for her, she's looking like SDL's new top female face with Becky most likely being Raw only from now on.
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Post by Perd on May 20, 2019 0:12:24 GMT -5
Really good stuff. It’s almost like, if you do things properly, fans respond accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 0:13:34 GMT -5
Tonight was the first time I actually understood the Lacey push beyond her looks (granted that's still probably a good part of it). It's still WAY too soon for her to be this prominent, but the match was solid, she was doing a great job of working off the crowd, and she really showed off just how insanely athletic she is.
She's not there yet, and really if this company were run well she'd still be in NXT (but hey not like calling a woman up too early ever hurt them before coughNiaJaxcoughDanaBrookecough), but I get it now.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 20, 2019 3:22:29 GMT -5
Is Sonya Deville supposed to be piningly in love with Mandy Rose? I'm not sure i get that whole thing.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 20, 2019 3:30:56 GMT -5
I am ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra, ultra biased but thought the segment was done great
I was happy from earlier in the night when Bayley won the MITB, I liked the idea that it was Charlotte's own fault, she could have left the ring but she had to figuaritely get another boot in on Bayley and it cost her
Loved hearing the great response from the crowd for Bayley
and the positive is my two favourite women (and two of my favourites on the roster overall) are your women's champions
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 3:32:52 GMT -5
It is really awesome and truthfully kind of amazing that Bayley is the only woman to win the NXT, Raw, Smackdown, and tag titles. That's gonna be hers for a while too. Sasha's up in the air and Charlotte is so far from the tag title scene, that wi'll be a while before she wins those. Plus, she was also NXT champion. She's really only a Rumble win and a 'Mania battle royal away from winning any accolade available to her. Well, I guess there's also the Mae Young tournament, though that doesn't seem to be for regulars, really. If Charlotte did try to match her, wonder who her tag partner would be. Probably Lacey, I guess.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 20, 2019 3:36:04 GMT -5
It is really awesome and truthfully kind of amazing that Bayley is the only woman to win the NXT, Raw, Smackdown, and tag titles. That's gonna be hers for a while too. Sasha's up in the air and Charlotte is so far from the tag title scene, that wi'll be a while before she wins those. Plus, she was also NXT champion. She's really only a Rumble win and a 'Mania battle royal away from winning any accolade available to her. Well, I guess there's also the Mae Young tournament, though that doesn't seem to be for regulars, really. If Charlotte did try to match her, wonder who her tag partner would be. Probably Lacey, I guess. and she probably should have won the Battle Royale last year, seemed the swerve for sake of a swerve when it turned out Naomi wasn't really eliminated They should have her come in at no.1 in the rumble and win from there, but again I'm ultra, ultra, ultra bias
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 3:52:27 GMT -5
I like that they were definitely setting Bayley up to get a big pop with both of her victories tonight.
MITB match, she puts a stop to Sonya trying to steal the win for Mandy, getting a big pop.
Later, she helps Becky out when she's being double teamed, and cashes in after Charlotte can't leave well enough alone, winning the title off of Charlotte, who had stolen it from Becky with Lacey's help.
It's nice to see WWE putting a babyface in a situation where she's unquestionably in the moral right for a change.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 20, 2019 5:14:06 GMT -5
They managed to make all four women look good, which is exactly what the Women's Division needs. And the MITB match helped more women look credible, and set up potential rivalries that can move forward from here.
That's... more than the WWE usually manages to do.
I predicted weeks ago that I thought Bayley was winning. Just from the way she was presented on Smackdown and the fact that they clearly decided to split her and Sasha.
I'm even more certain now that Sasha's absence is what pushed Lacey Evans into this feud with Becky.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 20, 2019 5:17:09 GMT -5
I think the only grievance I have is pointlessly doing the Carmella fake out injury spot for... basically no reason other than to grind the match to a halt when she limped back. Beyond that... Not really a fan of giving Bayley the title but they did it in about the best way they possibly could've while keeping her face, especially since unlike usual quick cash-ins she actually earned the belt by taking out Charlotte and Lacey first. That Carmella injury angle was so odd and I have no idea what it what the deal with it was. It came off like a 100% shoot in that it came off an inconsequential spot and Mandy was standing around looking like she didn't know what to do. Then when Mandy finally decided to keep going on the attack Carmella starting pushing her away and angrily shouting at her to get away from her as in stay away I'm hurt and don't want to risk getting injured further. Then she just ended up returning to stop Mandy later in the match in a clearly planned spot. Only thing I can think of was that they made it look really legit to work the smarks as they seem to be more into this worked shoot stuff lately.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 5:17:14 GMT -5
They managed to make all four women look good, which is exactly what the Women's Division needs. And the MITB match helped more women look credible, and set up potential rivalries that can move forward from here. That's... more than the WWE usually manages to do. I predicted weeks ago that I thought Bayley was winning. Just from the way she was presented on Smackdown and the fact that they clearly decided to split her and Sasha. I'm even more certain now that Sasha's absence is what pushed Lacey Evans into this feud with Becky. I kinda feel that Becky would have been feuding with Lacey eventually, given their characters, but I feel they may have waited on it if Sasha stuck around. Sasha and Becky have clashed before, but it's been a long while, so it'd have been a pretty fresh feud. I guess there'd be the problem of Sasha and Alexa seemingly having zero desire to wrestle each other, but maybe they'd have ironed that out eventually.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 20, 2019 6:27:24 GMT -5
Becky losing a PPV and her first title defense a month after beating Ronda Rousey in the main event of WM is trash i'm sorry. SD title being involved at WM main event makes less sense every day. Sell a few shirts I guess. Also the Charlotte vs Becky rivalry ending on that is so underwhelming. To top it off they air Becky's WWE24 all about her winning those 2 belts. Crap Save us(and Becky) Sasha.. I'm sorry but, she had 2 matches, in a row, one with her greatest rival and a generally acclaimed elite worker and it still took interference, and she is still a champion. If that's not protecting someone, I have no idea what is. Becky 2 belts was never going to be a long term thing, so they're getting her in the place they need. On RAW, the bigger show, and as the sole focus point, away from Charlotte, she's the undisputed top star there. Becky is doing just fine.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 20, 2019 6:34:51 GMT -5
I don't know how they did it but they tricked me into liking Bayley. Damn you!
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Post by Sparvid on May 20, 2019 6:46:19 GMT -5
Becky losing a PPV and her first title defense a month after beating Ronda Rousey in the main event of WM is trash i'm sorry. SD title being involved at WM main event makes less sense every day. Sell a few shirts I guess. Also the Charlotte vs Becky rivalry ending on that is so underwhelming. To top it off they air Becky's WWE24 all about her winning those 2 belts. Crap Save us(and Becky) Sasha.. I'm sorry but, she had 2 matches, in a row, one with her greatest rival and a generally acclaimed elite worker and it still took interference, and she is still a champion. If that's not protecting someone, I have no idea what is. Becky 2 belts was never going to be a long term thing, so they're getting her in the place they need. On RAW, the bigger show, and as the sole focus point, away from Charlotte, she's the undisputed top star there. Becky is doing just fine. I think it's a bit silly that she won both belts by pinning one opponent in one match, and then when it comes down to defending them, she lost one of the titles. So at the end of the day, while she technically did hold two belts, she didn't do anything to get/retain them that any other random 1-belt singles champion hasn't done and beat two separate wrestlers in separate situations at the same time/event.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 20, 2019 6:56:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry but, she had 2 matches, in a row, one with her greatest rival and a generally acclaimed elite worker and it still took interference, and she is still a champion. If that's not protecting someone, I have no idea what is. Becky 2 belts was never going to be a long term thing, so they're getting her in the place they need. On RAW, the bigger show, and as the sole focus point, away from Charlotte, she's the undisputed top star there. Becky is doing just fine. I think it's a bit silly that she won both belts by pinning one opponent in one match, and then when it comes down to defending them, she lost one of the titles. So at the end of the day, while she technically did hold two belts, she didn't do anything to get/retain them that any other random 1-belt singles champion hasn't done and beat two separate wrestlers in separate situations at the same time/event. On the list of silly things WWE has done, hell in the last few weeks, this is so low. Doesn't make total sense, but I can get behind it since both champions put their belts up in the match, so one winner gets both.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 8:01:50 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after.
Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 20, 2019 8:15:24 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. I remember Big Show being down when he was cashed in on, not sure if anybody else as though edit - Daniel Bryan too when Orton cashed in on him
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