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Post by Mozenrath on May 20, 2019 8:17:37 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. I could see Charlotte having a small feud if someone basically mocks her for blowing it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 8:25:34 GMT -5
I thought Bayley's cash-in f***ing sucked. I hate the MITB concept and the weaselly title wins that don't mean shit. It was good for a pop and now she'll just be keeping it warm for the next person. None of it will mean anything and no one will ultimately get a rub from it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 11:41:59 GMT -5
Just imagine how epic it would’ve been had Banks been in place of Evans.
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Post by lionheart21 on May 20, 2019 11:51:30 GMT -5
Bayley absolutely needed this. She's been made to look like such a goober on the main roster, and this actually showed that she's got an edge and will capitalize on an opportunity if presented to her.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 20, 2019 12:02:35 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. They go back and forth on that "champion has to be on their feet" thing when it comes to cash-ins. Expecting WWE to be competent enough to be consistent about it may be asking too much. I'm not saying you shouldn't DEMAND better. Just that WWE isn't going to be.
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Post by schma on May 20, 2019 13:34:37 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. Like so many things they do, they change the rules to fit the narrative they want to push. I remember at one point there was that referee on Smackdown who would ask carmella 15-20 times if she wanted to cash in while the wrestler was down. They didn't say it was because the wrestler was down and I'm not sure what they were going for.
A feud for Charlotte could be as easy as one of the lower card women attacking her during her inevitable demand for a rematch. The women have already shown they're tired of Charlotte always being at the front of the line, they even had a segment where the heels and faces came out separately and all of them agreed on this. Or hell have the whole roster beat her down, take her off tv for a week or two, she can come back and state that she will get revenge on every one of the women who dared lay a hand on her, proceeding to spend the next few months having matches with them before going for the title at Summerslam. That would give Bayley a bit of breathing room and would give Charlotte something to do that doesn't involve a belt. It would also give us a chance to see if any of the other women are ready to step up since they'd finally have an opportunity.
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Post by Cyno on May 20, 2019 13:38:11 GMT -5
Bayley is now (un)officially the first Women's Triple Crown Champion. Or Grand Slam Champion if you count the NXT Women's belt.
Hope she has a decent reign as SD champ instead of jobbing it back to Charlotte like a month later.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 14:32:39 GMT -5
I thought Bayley's cash-in f***ing sucked. I hate the MITB concept and the weaselly title wins that don't mean shit. It... wasn't weaselly though? I mean, yeah, she cashed in while Charlotte was down but that was after fighting off her and Lacey and was done in response to Charlotte foolishly leaving herself open by trying to go for more damage. Bayley did earn the belt, she just didn't wrestle for it.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 20, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -5
The way I see the briefcase is, yes it's a cheap way to win the title, but the true test of it should be what happens after. If someone goes on a run of successful defences, including beating the person they took the title from, then it's just as legitimate a reign as if they originally won the belt in an hour long, five star, Tokyo Dome classic.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:06:53 GMT -5
I thought Bayley's cash-in f***ing sucked. I hate the MITB concept and the weaselly title wins that don't mean shit. It... wasn't weaselly though? I mean, yeah, she cashed in while Charlotte was down but that was after fighting off her and Lacey and was done in response to Charlotte foolishly leaving herself open by trying to go for more damage. Bayley did earn the belt, she just didn't wrestle for it. What? Charlotte had already wrestled a match. Bayley came down after the fact and cashed in MITB after Charlotte knocked herself out on the ring post. What a feat.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 21, 2019 14:27:03 GMT -5
It... wasn't weaselly though? I mean, yeah, she cashed in while Charlotte was down but that was after fighting off her and Lacey and was done in response to Charlotte foolishly leaving herself open by trying to go for more damage. Bayley did earn the belt, she just didn't wrestle for it. What? Charlotte had already wrestled a match. Bayley came down after the fact and cashed in MITB after Charlotte knocked herself out on the ring post. What a feat. I liked it, it was Charlotte's fault - she could have left the ring, but she wanted to get one more shot in on Bayley - she screwed herself over, it was great storytelling IMO, and the crowd loved it
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Post by eJm on May 21, 2019 14:33:16 GMT -5
What? Charlotte had already wrestled a match. Bayley came down after the fact and cashed in MITB after Charlotte knocked herself out on the ring post. What a feat. I liked it, it was Charlotte's fault - she could have left the ring, but she wanted to get one more shot in on Bayley - she screwed herself over, it was great storytelling IMO, and the crowd loved it Also, Charlotte took advantage of something given to her by a cheating opponent so Bayley took advantage of an opportunity Charlotte “gave” to her. Turnabout is fair play.
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Post by Shark on May 21, 2019 14:35:06 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. I think it depends on the referee. Sometimes you have to be standing, sometimes you don't. Big Show, Jericho, Bryan were out. Edge was basically out, same for Charlotte
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on May 21, 2019 14:36:28 GMT -5
My memory is poor so don't take this as gospel but I thought to cash in the champ had to be standing on two feet? From Bayley's cash in to the three count Charlotte was out cold so don't be surprised if the decision is reversed on smackdown. Although Bayley will surely win the belt back soon after. Charlotte is great but she needs to be out of the title scene for a while, how do you do that? The women's division doesn't really do 'feuding over a split cup of coffee or Japanese shampoo commercial' storylines, the last non title feud I can remember was Mandy Rose and Naomi feuding over a man which is hardly original is it? Maybe the writers need to put their thinking caps on and come up with storylines for the women wrestlers who aren't fighting over a belt. I think it depends on the referee. Sometimes you have to be standing, sometimes you don't. Big Show, Jericho, Bryan were out. Edge was basically out, same for Charlotte it's a similar thing to the Royal Rumble where you have to make into the ring before the next entrant enters, I think sometimes it's been done, but others not
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 0:18:44 GMT -5
I figured Bailey would get a run sooner than later. With Rhonda going home and the influx of injures, and WWE wanting to have two champions even though the entire division is only big enough for one.
Which made the Banks/Bailey news that much more ridiculous. As no one was over enough or talented enough to really slot back into the main event than those two. So I saw Banks/Bailey losing the titles more so to push them back into the singles titles than anything else. I hope Banks is happy sitting at home.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 25, 2019 15:41:39 GMT -5
I figured Bailey would get a run sooner than later. With Rhonda going home and the influx of injures, and WWE wanting to have two champions even though the entire division is only big enough for one. Which made the Banks/Bailey news that much more ridiculous. As no one was over enough or talented enough to really slot back into the main event than those two. So I saw Banks/Bailey losing the titles more so to push them back into the singles titles than anything else. I hope Banks is happy sitting at home. Even though she jobbed to both of them Bayley interacting and working with Becky and Charlotte in the build up to MITB was the give away for me that she was winning and getting a pushed back into the main event. They seem to usually do stuff like that when it comes to people before they win the briefcase/get elevated. Alexa getting taken out due to injury made it even more obvious Bayley was winning. Mandy Rose was the only other possible winner in the match and with them already doing sneaky heel wins the last two women MITB matches (Alexa, Carmella) that really only left Bayley. Either way they are really lacking good experienced winners in the women's division right now especially on the heel side. It makes Sasha taking her ball and going home more frustrating. Really all you have right now across both shows is Charlotte, Becky, Bayley, Asuka, Natalya, and Ember Moon when it comes to good veteran workers with all of them face right now other then Charlotte.
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Post by deezy on May 25, 2019 22:35:47 GMT -5
It... wasn't weaselly though? I mean, yeah, she cashed in while Charlotte was down but that was after fighting off her and Lacey and was done in response to Charlotte foolishly leaving herself open by trying to go for more damage. Bayley did earn the belt, she just didn't wrestle for it. What? Charlotte had already wrestled a match. Bayley came down after the fact and cashed in MITB after Charlotte knocked herself out on the ring post. What a feat. Bayley earned the shot on the MITB match so in that sense yes she deserved it. But it was definitely weaselly. When heels do it's like this its weaslly. She beat Charlotte after a match and by Charlotte setting her self up to be defeated weaslly. Bayley earned the MITB to win weaslly if she choose so, And she did.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2019 16:59:21 GMT -5
I love that there was this basically hour-long chunk of the show dedicated to all the interweaving storylines.
It's amazing how well WWE can be doing two or three things on every show when they get so many other things so badly wrong.
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