ChitownKnight
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 23, 2019 9:07:57 GMT -5
Off topic but remember that period of time in fall of 2002 when Cena was pretty much a jobber? He lost to frickin D von clean
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segaz
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Post by segaz on May 23, 2019 14:52:46 GMT -5
He got set back in a way that every single person actually involved confirms, Austin, etc, so yeah, he was punished, but it wasn't like they had him jobbing against guys who'd stiff him or something. There is no rational argument to say it never happened, but sure, it's not like he was kept off of TV levels of buried or anything. Literally house shows. For two months. Not even till the end of the year. He lost to a hot act they were pushing along with his uh 'hot' valet. People act like he regularly lost on Raw or had to wear a jock strap, or got stuck with a goofy Deep South Crocodile 'Hunter' gimmick, or was made to look like a goober in a feud. He didn't even get fined or a week suspension.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2019 16:27:48 GMT -5
He got set back in a way that every single person actually involved confirms, Austin, etc, so yeah, he was punished, but it wasn't like they had him jobbing against guys who'd stiff him or something. There is no rational argument to say it never happened, but sure, it's not like he was kept off of TV levels of buried or anything. Literally house shows. For two months. Not even till the end of the year. He lost to a hot act they were pushing along with his uh 'hot' valet. People act like he regularly lost on Raw or had to wear a jock strap, or got stuck with a goofy Deep South Crocodile 'Hunter' gimmick, or was made to look like a goober in a feud. He didn't even get fined or a week suspension. He was going to be getting a big push, and it got delayed while he put over Mero and Austin got the KOTR. Keep in mind the speed at which people rose or fell in the mid-90s, and that had to be a terrifying thing. How quickly did Ahmed Johnson go from one of the top guys to "who gives a shit"? Or the Road Warriors losing their steam entirely. You can get punished without it having to be Bradshaw and Farooq beating the shit out of you or being sent home.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 23, 2019 17:17:14 GMT -5
Let's not forget Triple H was best friends with a major reason so many people abruptly lost all momentum in the mid 90s WWF. He wasn't the last Kliq member standing, he wasn't left alone to be buried like Owen after Montreal, he was best friends with someone who had Vince's ear and got him to overlook all manner of sins.
There was no way Shawn would sit on his hands while Hunter's career died and he would have known that, hell, he literally politicked his way to the Euro belt the following year just to hand his buddy a title, and all but did so on live TV.
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Post by Thunderbolt on May 23, 2019 18:21:13 GMT -5
The idea that his KOTR win just "got delayed" is wrong. There's no way that HHH knew at the time it was "delayed": it was just gone. He was probably freaking out about it.
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