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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 7, 2020 13:52:22 GMT -5
There's plenty of factual basis for that argument. He is THE most overrated player in the league right now and one of the most overrated QBs of all time and the fluke SB run only serves to back that up. Are you a Raiders fan? There has to be something going on here as to what is making you think this way. No thatβs trolling. Mahomes was going to get paid no matter what. And honestly did KC have a choice? Imagine if they said they couldnβt pay him because it would hurt them financially under the cap. Thereβd be outrage in KC and with good reason. His number is roughly what any top 5 QB is going to get one their first big contract. Teams are going to have to learn to work around a single player making 30% of their total roster
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 7, 2020 14:22:29 GMT -5
A Packers Fan that thinks somebody's franchise QB is overvalued and overrated. That's rich.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 7, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -5
There are a lot of things I'll accept hearing, not liking Mahomes cause you have to face him, not liking that he is the poster boy for the next 15 years I get all that. But to just say he isn't good is really bizarre. All he's done is repeatedly prove everyone wrong, I remember all the draft guys who didn't like him.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 7, 2020 16:03:03 GMT -5
DeSean Jackson is a stupid f*** and a bigot. I don't buy his apology.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 7, 2020 16:16:48 GMT -5
There are a lot of things I'll accept hearing, not liking Mahomes cause you have to face him, not liking that he is the poster boy for the next 15 years I get all that. But to just say he isn't good is really bizarre. All he's done is repeatedly prove everyone wrong, I remember all the draft guys who didn't like him. "When people say they hate how good looking he is or how much of a shining beacon of manhood he is, I get that." You're at the other end of the spectrum. You're dangerously close to being a Kevin Nash caricature of a Chiefs fan.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 7, 2020 16:23:34 GMT -5
There's plenty of factual basis for that argument. He is THE most overrated player in the league right now and one of the most overrated QBs of all time and the fluke SB run only serves to back that up. That's pretty far from a fact. It's definitely an opinion. I mean, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon were also guys who played in very favorable systems and put up a bunch of "empty regular season stats" and they're HOFers who no one would call "ok at best." But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 7, 2020 16:31:32 GMT -5
That's pretty far from a fact. It's definitely an opinion. I mean, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon were also guys who played in very favorable systems and put up a bunch of "empty regular season stats" and they're HOFers who no one would call "ok at best." But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated. Chiefs are going to have to continue to draft well and hope some guys are drawn to KC because theyβll be a perennial contender with one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league every year.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 7, 2020 16:37:00 GMT -5
But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated. Chiefs are going to have to continue to draft well and hope some guys are drawn to KC because theyβll be a perennial contender with one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league every year. He's not even a top 10. 1. Drew Brees 2. Deshaun Watson 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Jimmy G 5. Tom Brady 6. Russell Wilson 7. Ryan Tannehill 8. Josh Allen 9. Teddy Bridgewater 10. Kirk Cousins Maybe he's top 15 but not top ten let alone 2 or 3.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 7, 2020 16:40:40 GMT -5
But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated. Chiefs are going to have to continue to draft well and hope some guys are drawn to KC because theyβll be a perennial contender with one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league every year. Basically the blue print for any team that has an elite QB making market value.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 7, 2020 16:44:10 GMT -5
Chiefs are going to have to continue to draft well and hope some guys are drawn to KC because theyβll be a perennial contender with one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league every year. He's not even a top 10. 1. Drew Brees 2. Deshaun Watson 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Jimmy G 5. Tom Brady 6. Russell Wilson 7. Ryan Tannehill 8. Josh Allen 9. Teddy Bridgewater 10. Kirk Cousins Maybe he's top 15 but not top ten let alone 2 or 3. Lets talk for a moment ok, I dunno how anyone could watch Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson play and think they are better than Mahomes is, they're better runners...Josh Allen is very inaccurate and so is Jackson...they aren't the passers Mahomes is. On this list you have...a couple of older guys that are past their primes but ok they're HOFers, a couple of athletic guys that aren't great passers. Russell Wilsons an elite player in my view, Jimmy G..he had his shot and wilted in crunch time where Mahomes shined. But Tannehill and Bridgewater are guys who've not even played a lot of games and been backups...don't get that one at all... And Kirk Cousins really? Your list is like you'd tell me that Alex Smith was better and the Chiefs were stupid to move on.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 7, 2020 16:46:05 GMT -5
But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. Maybe he should petition the league to play in a different division to please you. For the record: Mahomes vs. AFCW: 66.8% comp, 10 TDs, 3 INTs Vs. Rest of AFC: 66.2% comp, 14 TDs, 2 INTs And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. So they only won because other, better teams (who they had beaten) lost and had worse coaching and their defense sucked? That's not how sports work. If the "betterc team" loses, they aren't the better team. Nobody talks about the 99 Jags as being one of the best team of all time. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated. You're still arguing that they aren't as good as "people think" when they just won the Super Bowl. Also, Warren Moon was legit, just for the record. Stop parroting shitty hot take TV. Actually base your opinions on something ffs.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 7, 2020 16:49:37 GMT -5
Chiefs are going to have to continue to draft well and hope some guys are drawn to KC because theyβll be a perennial contender with one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league every year. He's not even a top 10. 1. Drew Brees 2. Deshaun Watson 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Jimmy G 5. Tom Brady 6. Russell Wilson 7. Ryan Tannehill 8. Josh Allen 9. Teddy Bridgewater 10. Kirk Cousins Maybe he's top 15 but not top ten let alone 2 or 3. Are you trying out for FS1 or something?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 7, 2020 16:50:23 GMT -5
But did they play in weak divisions like Mahomes? It's easy to run up the numbers when the rest of the division absolutely sucks. Look at Tom Brady in 2007 for proof. Maybe he should petition the league to play in a different division to please you. For the record: Mahomes vs. AFCW: 66.8% comp, 10 TDs, 3 INTs Vs. Rest of AFC: 66.2% comp, 14 TDs, 2 INTs And I don't think either of them backed into a #2 seed because the team ahead of them tripped on their face, only won their division matchup because the other coach sucked, only won the AFC title because they didn't have to play the real best team in the conference and because the team they faced had no defense, and only won the Super Bowl because the other coach sucked AND they got favorable officiating. In fact, if the Chiefs had faced a team with a smarter coach than Shanahan, they would have lost because Payton or Carroll wouldn't have let off the gas. So they only won because other, better teams (who they had beaten) lost and had worse coaching and their defense sucked? That's not how sports work. If the "betterc team loses, they aren't the better team. Nobody talks about the 99 Jags as being one of the best team of all time. Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not even remotely as good as everyone thinks they are and now that they have zero cap room to work with they never will be. Oh, and Warren Moon is also brutally overrated. You're still arguing that they aren't as good as "people think" when they just won the Super Bowl. Also, Warren Moon was legit, just for the record. Stop parroting shitty hot take TV. Actually base your opinions on something ffs. I'm not parroting anything. I'm basing the facts on the facts and the fact is the Chiefs and Mahomes are horribly overrated and their SB run and win was nothing but a series of flukes. When they fail to repeat next season nobody is going to be hailing Mahomes as the true GOAT or considering the Chiefs as the next great thing anymore.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 7, 2020 16:53:26 GMT -5
Mahomes fluked his way to a 23-7 regular season record, 5-1 postseason record and 2 mvp awards in 2 years of being a starter...
If you wanna tell me he's in a friendly system because of Reid, I agree with that, or that Reid knows how to use him better than other coaches, get that too. Or that the changes of the game benefit him, sure thing. I'm not really sure what else this man has to do to be considered legit in your eyes.
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Post by sfvega on Jul 7, 2020 16:54:27 GMT -5
Maybe he should petition the league to play in a different division to please you. For the record: Mahomes vs. AFCW: 66.8% comp, 10 TDs, 3 INTs Vs. Rest of AFC: 66.2% comp, 14 TDs, 2 INTs So they only won because other, better teams (who they had beaten) lost and had worse coaching and their defense sucked? That's not how sports work. If the "betterc team loses, they aren't the better team. Nobody talks about the 99 Jags as being one of the best team of all time. You're still arguing that they aren't as good as "people think" when they just won the Super Bowl. Also, Warren Moon was legit, just for the record. Stop parroting shitty hot take TV. Actually base your opinions on something ffs. I'm not parroting anything. I'm basing the facts on the facts and the fact is the Chiefs and Mahomes are horribly overrated and their SB run and win was nothing but a series of flukes. When they fail to repeat next season nobody is going to be hailing Mahomes as the true GOAT or considering the Chiefs as the next great thing anymore. What exactly do you think a fact is?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 7, 2020 16:57:07 GMT -5
He's not even a top 10. 1. Drew Brees 2. Deshaun Watson 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Jimmy G 5. Tom Brady 6. Russell Wilson 7. Ryan Tannehill 8. Josh Allen 9. Teddy Bridgewater 10. Kirk Cousins Maybe he's top 15 but not top ten let alone 2 or 3. Are you trying out for FS1 or something? I would take every single one of those ten over Mahomes any day of the week, whether in fantasy football or a real game. Dead serious.
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Post by Mecca on Jul 7, 2020 17:01:00 GMT -5
Are you trying out for FS1 or something? I would take every single one of those ten over Mahomes any day of the week, whether in fantasy football or a real game. Dead serious. You should check out Chris Simms pods on the top 40 QBs as it's insightful and he's good at what he does...but his top 10 is.. 1. Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs 2. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks 3. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 4. Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans 5. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens 6. Carson Wentz, Philadelphia Eagles 7. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons 8. Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys 9. Matt Stafford, Detroit Lions 10. Cam Newton, Free Agent
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Post by BRV on Jul 7, 2020 17:01:44 GMT -5
DeSean Jackson is a stupid f*** and a bigot. I don't buy his apology. "I just probably should've never posted anything that Hitler did." PROBABLY? Motherf***er needed to couch that statement with a "probably"? Also, never mind that the statement is falsely attributed to Hitler, the mere fact that DeSean Jackson took the time to read this incredibly hateful, wildly bigoted three-paragraph statement, which he thought was attributed to the most evil person to ever live, and thought (in his own words, per his apology video) that it would "uplift African-Americans" and "enlighten my people" shows who he is. And that's before we get into the fact that he's also posted positively about the anti-vaccine movement and a prominent anti-Semitic religious leader.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jul 7, 2020 17:15:58 GMT -5
I would take every single one of those ten over Mahomes any day of the week, whether in fantasy football or a real game. Dead serious. You should check out Chris Simms pods on the top 40 QBs as it's insightful and he's good at what he does...but his top 10 is.. 1. Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs 2. Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks 3. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers 4. Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans 5. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens 6. Carson Wentz, Philadelphia Eagles 7. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons 8. Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys 9. Matt Stafford, Detroit Lions 10. Cam Newton, Free Agent There are so many things wrong with that list that don't even involve the ridiculous decision to put Mahomes on it at all that it gives me more reason to doubt Simms' insights (Stafford isn't even a top 15 guy for starters and Rodgers, after the last couple of seasons, doesn't belong in a top ten either and I say that as a Packer fan),
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 7, 2020 17:21:27 GMT -5
Are you trying out for FS1 or something? I would take every single one of those ten over Mahomes any day of the week, whether in fantasy football or a real game. Dead serious. 7 of those guys have won absolutely dick. Mahomes already has a ring that he was a massive part of winning. As a rival fan, I hate the guy but you're batshit insane if you dont think he's in the top 1 or 2, let alone top 10 right now
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