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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2019 16:37:56 GMT -5
Also,I think Moxley's stories show very well how good Vince is at bullshiting people.
You could see the times he tried to hide the truth ,by telling its okay,that they werent going to bury him,yada yada. Makes you wonder how many times daily Vince lies to his "indepedent contractors"
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:42:07 GMT -5
You don't get as far as Vince has gotten without being a master bullshitter. Dude lies even when he tells the truth.
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Post by darbus alan on May 29, 2019 16:47:38 GMT -5
Also,I think Moxley's stories show very well how good Vince is at bullshiting people. You could see the times he tried to hide the truth ,by telling its okay,that they werent going to bury him,yada yada. Makes you wonder how many times daily Vince lies to his "indepedent contractors" Yep, he and Jericho even called it Vince's Jedi Mind Trick and it can get you even when you're wise to it.
Anyone else notice that Ambrose is attacking Vince all through this and he barely says anything about Triple H? Shoutout to those people who said that Trips was just as much of the problem as Vince.
The few times he mentions Triple H it sounds like he's as much at the mercy of Vince's whims in terms of creativity as anyone else. Well, and calling him a ruthless businessman, but the way he said it sounded like he respected him for it.
Punk and maybe Cody Rhodes are the only people I've really seen badmouth Triple H as an executive, and in Punk's case I think a lot of that is driven way more by personal beef than anything else.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:52:55 GMT -5
I think Punk was bitter over HHH inserting himself into his storyline in 2011 and going over him at Night of Champions. I don't blame him (Punk) for that one.
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Post by spagett on May 29, 2019 16:53:52 GMT -5
It's like they got so close to giving Dean Ambrose a nice respectful farewell and then right at the last minute Vince couldn't resist being a petty asshole one last time and so pays Ambrose $500 for a show built around him.
He's such an insecure old bully.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:55:19 GMT -5
The few times he mentions Triple H it sounds like he's as much at the mercy of Vince's whims in terms of creativity as anyone else. Well, and calling him a ruthless businessman, but the way he said it sounded like he respected him for it. Punk and maybe Cody Rhodes are the only people I've really seen badmouth Triple H as an executive, and in Punk's case I think a lot of that is driven way more by personal beef than anything else.
Yeah Punk's was more personal, I get that. Cody's seems to be the fact that he's in a similar position as Triple H. Even Cody's comments about the shot on the thrown wasn't done in a "f*** you Hunter" thing but more in a "hey this is what it is, it's business" type of situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -5
I think Renee will be fine, but I'm picturing her asking for her release and then leaving WWE HQ to find Moxley waiting for her on a motorcycle he stole, wearing his DON clothes.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 16:59:13 GMT -5
Oh best believe I got all the energy for this kinda tea.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:59:31 GMT -5
HHH while nowhere near as bad as Vince has the benefit right now of not being Vince, once he’s in charge he’ll be criticized the same as the old man and inevitably do similar stupid things. It’s just the nature of the beast.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:04:49 GMT -5
Oh best believe I got all the energy for this kinda tea. I can't WAIT for all of this to drop. Kaz and Ross also posted the same thing 1 minute apart so who knows maybe they spoke. It's gonna be a rough time for Vince these next few years on all fronts.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 29, 2019 17:05:47 GMT -5
I can't really add anything specific about the podcast that hasn't already been said. I don't listen to podcasts, I watch OSW but you can WATCH that. This was absolutely gripping from start to finish. So few people are this willing to HAM on this shit, and Moxley just does not give a f***. I also love that he prefaced it with how grateful he was, and mentioned the Make a Wish stuff more than once, and talked about going through a period of depression but that he doesn't want to make light of people who have that all the time. Also the moment when Renee came in and Jericho said hi just seemed really sweet. Jericho is such an asshole so much of the time, both in and out of character, that I regularly forget how much I've liked him in so many ways over the years. I also really love that Mox is saying that he hopes AEW makes WWE better too. Honestly, after Double or Nothing, I really didn't think that I could be a bigger fan of his. But now I am... Related side note - Jericho is really good at shilling, isn't he? He does that shit really well. In every sense, given it includes cat litter. "That's why he pays Brock a billion bucks to come in and ruin his company." ~Mox on Vince having a real life Million Dollar Man complex and how he needs to control everything with money. Which is hilarious, really. Vince thinks he controls Brock with money, when Brock is bleeding money out of him to do whatever he wants. Also finding out Sick Nick Mondo did the trailer for him is awesome. This was a complete mindf*** for me too. Mondo did that??? The thing that makes me realise nothing will change in WWE as long as Vince is alive is that Vince genuinely thinks their creative and their writing is good. He thinks the product they are presenting is high quality. That is mind blowing. Those conversations were kind of a bit frightening about Vince's mental state. Talking about how he was surprised Dean hated anything when they'd had blowups about it, and saying some of the worst writing Dean ever had was some really good shit. Just started this, loving Jericho saying it was recorded before Double or Nothing and then it starts with Jericho saying how amazing the show, that hasn't happened yet, was. Like I said, not heard it yet but it seems a shame that after such a classy exit he's immediately torched the bridge. Man, keep listening to the end and you might have a different view of that sendoff. Yall dudes were pushing that hobo and idiot agenda that he hated. For every raccoon joke he hated his job a lil more lol. He died for our hobo and rabies raccoon jokes. We'll all go to the funeral to make sure he stays dead. Also, doesn't this remind people of how Randy Savage left? Both wanted to do more, both got annoyed with Vince and both eventually left. Considering Dean the Savage of this era is hella fitting. Long as he doesn't end up as WCW Savage in AEW.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2019 17:09:40 GMT -5
I think Renee will be fine, but I'm picturing her asking for her release and then leaving WWE HQ to find Moxley waiting for her on a motorcycle he stole, wearing his DON clothes. Renee has legit sports networks waiting to offer her a job, and you can be damn sure she could walk into AEW tomorrow if she wanted to. She's definitely gonna be fine.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 17:10:30 GMT -5
Oh best believe I got all the energy for this kinda tea. I can't WAIT for all of this to drop. Kaz and Ross also posted the same thing 1 minute apart so who knows maybe they spoke. It's gonna be a rough time for Vince these next few years on all fronts. Yeah that reads to me as people are gonna start talking real soon.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2019 17:13:13 GMT -5
Related side note - Jericho is really good at shilling, isn't he? He does that shit really well. In every sense, given it includes cat litter. Jericho's a carny to the bone. Part of why he can be an asshole IRL is he never stops working, but when you've got a guy who's been in wrestling for 30 years you kinda have to expect that.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 29, 2019 17:14:18 GMT -5
Related side note - Jericho is really good at shilling, isn't he? He does that shit really well. In every sense, given it includes cat litter. Jericho's a carny to the bone. Part of why he can be an asshole IRL is he never stops working, but when you've got a guy who's been in wrestling for 30 years you kinda have to expect that. My only real comparison was Stone Cold who I've heard doing it, and his voice is so much more distinctive that I guess you can't really compare that shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:17:33 GMT -5
I think Renee will be fine, but I'm picturing her asking for her release and then leaving WWE HQ to find Moxley waiting for her on a motorcycle he stole, wearing his DON clothes. Renee has legit sports networks waiting to offer her a job, and you can be damn sure she could walk into AEW tomorrow if she wanted to. She's definitely gonna be fine. Yeah, WWE needs her more than she needs them. She's not the greatest commentator, but as much as I like Charly and Cathy, no one is even half as good as she is at the host/interviewer gig. She gives them that legitimate sports feel that FOX is going to want out of SD and Talking Smack.
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Post by bearned on May 29, 2019 17:19:37 GMT -5
I can't WAIT for all of this to drop. Kaz and Ross also posted the same thing 1 minute apart so who knows maybe they spoke. It's gonna be a rough time for Vince these next few years on all fronts. Yeah that reads to me as people are gonna start talking real soon. The Luke Harper and Revival interviews should be gold (assuming they are ever released from WWE)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:21:21 GMT -5
Yeah that reads to me as people are gonna start talking real soon. The Luke Harper and Revival interviews should be gold (assuming they are ever released from WWE) Harper and The Revival will never be released, they'll be locked in the same room Aleister Black's in.
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Post by honsou on May 29, 2019 17:24:06 GMT -5
I think Renee will be fine, but I'm picturing her asking for her release and then leaving WWE HQ to find Moxley waiting for her on a motorcycle he stole, wearing his DON clothes. Imagine that as the opening to a BTE or to one of their first shows on TNT?
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