ASYLUMHAUSEN
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 29, 2019 17:25:27 GMT -5
I’m 30 mins in and holy shit
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 29, 2019 17:27:17 GMT -5
I’m 30 mins in and holy shit Yeah this was my reaction too. From like minute 3.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 29, 2019 17:29:30 GMT -5
I think Punk was bitter over HHH inserting himself into his storyline in 2011 and going over him at Night of Champions. I don't blame him (Punk) for that one. Yeah, he told Triple H “I don’t need to wrestle you, you need to wrestle me”.
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Post by héad.casé on May 29, 2019 17:31:47 GMT -5
Literally just finished this. What a great podcast. As an ex-wrestler who felt his love for wrestling slipping away slowly until it was gone, I identified so much with this. I wonder what the line was Vince asked him to say about Roman's cancer was? If he wasn't willing to say it on a podcast it must have been something awful.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:34:03 GMT -5
Them paying Ambrose only (a lot of us would probably take it, but he's not wrong for seeing it as a slap to the face) $500 is crazy. The Rock spends that on his shirts alone. And that's 1999 money. 2019 Rock probably spends $500 on one sock.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 29, 2019 17:38:14 GMT -5
It's like they got so close to giving Dean Ambrose a nice respectful farewell and then right at the last minute Vince couldn't resist being a petty asshole one last time and so pays Ambrose $500 for a show built around him. He's such an insecure old bully. I also like how he paid him 500 dollars and expected a fight about it. Like, again, he doesn’t get that this isn’t about money and that he’s just f***ing done. All these big ass contracts are not only him trying to collect a bunch of toys, it’s Vince throwing money at the problem thinking that’s the only thing that matters to people, not creative fulfillment and happiness.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2019 17:43:28 GMT -5
It's like they got so close to giving Dean Ambrose a nice respectful farewell and then right at the last minute Vince couldn't resist being a petty asshole one last time and so pays Ambrose $500 for a show built around him. He's such an insecure old bully. I also like how he paid him 500 dollars and expected a fight about it. Like, again, he doesn’t get that this isn’t about money and that he’s just f***ing done. All these big ass contracts are not only him trying to collect a bunch of toys, it’s Vince throwing money at the problem thinking that’s the only thing that matters to people, not creative fulfillment and happiness. Says a lot about Vince. Money is the only thing he understands, and is very evidently the root of his own personal happiness.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:45:11 GMT -5
I’m 30 mins in and holy shit For real, that Omaha Steaks plug got me ordering all of the steaks.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 29, 2019 17:47:06 GMT -5
It's like they got so close to giving Dean Ambrose a nice respectful farewell and then right at the last minute Vince couldn't resist being a petty asshole one last time and so pays Ambrose $500 for a show built around him. He's such an insecure old bully. I also like how he paid him 500 dollars and expected a fight about it. Like, again, he doesn’t get that this isn’t about money and that he’s just f***ing done. All these big ass contracts are not only him trying to collect a bunch of toys, it’s Vince throwing money at the problem thinking that’s the only thing that matters to people, not creative fulfillment and happiness. It's creating what I think is going to be a really interesting situation to watch play out between WWE and AEW. AEW will catch the ambitious, creatively driven people who really want to make the most of their work and hold themselves to a very high creative standard, with guys like Jericho and Moxley joining all these driven indie guys wanting to put on something special, while WWE is a show of Vince McMahon appealing to Vince McMahon exclusively, with a bunch of people who won't leave because the money is too good, in many cases putting in solid work but never achieving their potential.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on May 29, 2019 17:53:37 GMT -5
I guess this is happening tommorow. I’m pretty excited for it, I feel like it’s gonna be the best wrestling podcast since Punk/Cabana. Anyone know what time it usually airs? I want to listen to it at work lol Random memory here, but I remember I stayed up really late listening to that Cabana/Punk podcast the night before Thanksgiving with my family. A memorable listen for sure. About to listen to Moxley's one while I get my steps in and whatnot, gotta love a good tell all wrasslin' interview. Can be compelling stuff.
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Post by Doctor No on May 29, 2019 17:55:29 GMT -5
Though it’s just one 90min interview, this interview really puts in perspective for me all the talk(from “ experts”/“behind the scenes people”/etc)there always was of “Dean/Jon is a “different”/weird/etc kind of guy”.
He sounds more rational and “real” to me than different/weird/etc. I think almost everyone wants to be happy and sometimes that means they need to feel fulfilled by something in their life that isn’t just having enough money. Jon just sounds like that type person.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:57:43 GMT -5
Gonna link the promos Ambrose was talking about.
Here's the handkerchief promo, the beginning of this gimmick.
That's the inoculations one. Literally cracked up when he said "there is no shower than can wash away your sins" because you can see in Ambrose's expression that he HATES this.
There's the one that Ambrose said he was ready to go to war if Triple H said some slick shit.
Here's the Nia Jax bump one. Notice what he says in the beginning before she comes out. It's interesting hearing the context of it.
Here's the beginning of the EC3 stuff.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 17:59:49 GMT -5
Ambrose played the greatest game of chicken/politics with Vince and won
The closest comparison I can think of is Pillman basically playing Bischoff, Sullivan, and WCW like a fiddle and signing with WWF
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:01:00 GMT -5
Though it’s just one 90min interview, this interview really puts in perspective for me all the talk(from “ experts”/“behind the scenes people”/etc)there always was of “Dean/Jon is a “different”/weird/etc kind of guy”. He sounds more rational and “real” to me than different/weird/etc. I think almost everyone wants to be happy and sometimes that means they need to feel fulfilled by something in their life that isn’t just having enough money. Jon just sounds like that type person. Aleister Black made a post on his Tumblr praising Ambrose after he left, saying he reminded Black that having fun was the most important thing in their last full convo. I've posted it here before, but I'll find it and quote it in this post.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 29, 2019 18:04:39 GMT -5
Lots of thoughts here, man alive.
-What struck me hardest was Dean losing his cool over the week after his heel turn. His initial turn was brutal, as I recall the video I saw of it, and driven by the emotion of his anguish over Roman's cancer. Even if they had gotten to the germaphobe thing and presented it as "Dean is losing it because he couldn't stop Seth's betrayal years earlier, then couldn't help Roman against illness, he's desperate to have control over his life", so he goes in some weird direction like that. Nope, it was just "you people" heat, and Dean's stuck doing six promos and asking "WHY AM I DOING THIS?!" No character arc, no narrative, no building off of the characters' history, just promo after promo to do...what? To build to what? To him and Seth brawling? Geez.
-Vince "Jedi mind trick" makes so much sense, I can easily picture it in my head.
-Good Lord, dat pettiness, too.
-Also really felt the part about just trying not to look stupid, and having no energy left to try to come up with something interesting. It's like being at a job where you're forced to do a bunch of paperwork and logistical stuff just so you can cover your ass if anything goes wrong, instead of focusing on the actual work you signed up to do. Just sucks the joy out of any job.
-It really is notable how the death of WCW seemed to make Vince feel like he couldn't do anything wrong, and how it coincided with WWF ditching long term storytelling in favor of having dozens of writers, stricter scripting of matches, etc. They've sucked the life out of pro wrestling. Going back to my first point, think about how promos are supposed to "talk people into the building", but then listen to what they wanted Dean to do: who is that trying to appeal to? How many tickets does that sell? The core of wrestling is getting people to want to see two or more rivals clash in the ring, everything else is in service of getting people to pay to see it happen, so why are we getting these weird skits that don't do any storytelling or character development?
I may start a thread about this, but I read a Twitter thread recently about how in fiction writing there are two chief styles of crafting a story: "plotting" and "pantsing" (not that type of pantsing). A "plotter" comes up with a story and has it charted out from start to end, and moves characters and things around to ensure that everybody who needs to be where they need to be the progress that plot. It sounds lazy, but it can often be effective: Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and in pro wrestling things like the year-plus build to The Mega Powers Explode would all qualify here as "plotter" stories.
But "pantsing" is when you "fly by the seat of your pants"; you create characters and settings, and then allow the choices the characters make to go in a logical progression based on who they are, and have them face those consequences, which often leads to surprising twists and interesting cause-and-effect moments. This is how GRR Martin wrote the first few Song of Ice and Fire books, and it's certainly prevalent in pro wrestling, as well, like in stories such as the Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin feud, where the characters shifted with the crowd reactions and felt more organic as the narrative evolved.
Vince has had some success over the years as a "plotter", but I think he's just absolutely not budging on "pantsing" outside of REALLY big exceptions, like Bryan's and Lynch's runs to the main event of Wrestlemania. It shows in how he doesn't want scripts improvised or doesn't really take creative ideas super seriously.
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Post by thirteen3 on May 29, 2019 18:06:10 GMT -5
Literally just finished this. What a great podcast. As an ex-wrestler who felt his love for wrestling slipping away slowly until it was gone, I identified so much with this. I wonder what the line was Vince asked him to say about Roman's cancer was? If he wasn't willing to say it on a podcast it must have been something awful. To fit with the whole "fans are filthy" gimmick I imagine it would be something like "the filth of these stinky fans has caused their hero to have cancer!" or somethign like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:06:15 GMT -5
I'd never actually watched this promo before now and wow, dude looks MISERABLE throughout. He's still clearly putting in the effort but you can tell he is having none of this bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:07:27 GMT -5
Forgot this one but
Here's the one where he said that "light" Roman line at 3:28. Look at how Ambrose reacts after saying it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 18:13:19 GMT -5
Forgot this one but Here's the one where he said that "light" Roman line at 3:28. Look at how Ambrose reacts after saying it. Man, you can tell his face is doing everything it can to not completely break down and walk out the moment after he said that.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 18:29:07 GMT -5
Forgot this one but Here's the one where he said that "light" Roman line at 3:28. Look at how Ambrose reacts after saying it. Man, you can tell his face is doing everything it can to not completely break down and walk out the moment after he said that. I wonder where Seth and Roman are with their opinions here. I don't believe this amount of disgust and unhappiness can be limited to one talent.
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