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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:25:56 GMT -5
I've never understood the idea behind the Mick feud anyway. Dude most of the crowd hasn't heard of has a Twitter beef with a broken-down has-been who hasn't won a match in years, with the probable end result being essentially a retread of the Foley / Orton feud. Why should anyone care?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:26:52 GMT -5
It might just be me but I get a feeling that the Sasha thing is gonna be similar to Ambrose's except with a lot of old school sexist bullshit thrown in. I hope I'm wrong but shit, this is Vince. She definitely don't have as much leverage as Ambrose.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 29, 2019 19:27:18 GMT -5
I don't doubt what Moxley is saying, I'm just saying I don't think he is easy to work with either. I will retract the statement where I said "many sources". Now that I've thought about it I think it may be something where I've read 2 and 3 and got to 10. I see him on the Austin podcast though and I can just imagine he's a stubborn guy (nothing wrong with that). There's also when he went directly against Foley's wishes in their feud. He didn't do that. That's not what happened. Foley couldn't get cleared, so the feud got shelved, and they "kayfabed" that little part so Dean could keep his edge. Okay I stand corrected then. Didn't realise that was kayfabed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:29:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Sasha has pretty much the same overall grievance as Dean really - she's at her absolute best as the NXT version of the Boss. She hasn't been allowed to actually be that or anything close to it in years. She's extremely unlikable as a babyface and completely out of her element as one. Her heel work, from what I've seen, is good. There are so many square pegs in round holes in WWE right now and she's the perfect example of one, so I completely understand her frustration there.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 19:30:27 GMT -5
I don't doubt what Moxley is saying, I'm just saying I don't think he is easy to work with either. I will retract the statement where I said "many sources". Now that I've thought about it I think it may be something where I've read 2 and 3 and got to 10. I see him on the Austin podcast though and I can just imagine he's a stubborn guy (nothing wrong with that). People were asking you for proof of saying he wasn’t easy to work with and you haven’t really brought much except the podcast with Austin that was awkward because it wasn’t the stuff Dean usually did in the same way other people in WWE did. If the system weren’t broken, I could see why you’d think people would be hard to work with but at the end of the day, you have to walk on eggshells and hope Vince is willing to accept 0.5% of your ideas to get anywhere so it doesn’t lead to anything but awkwardness and tension to put it moderately.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 19:33:40 GMT -5
It might just be me but I get a feeling that the Sasha thing is gonna be similar to Ambrose's except with a lot of old school sexist bullshit thrown in. I hope I'm wrong but shit, this is Vince. She definitely don't have as much leverage as Ambrose. This is pure speculation on my end but it’s not a coincidence some of the changes with the women came around the time Bruce Pritchard came back into the fold.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on May 29, 2019 19:35:15 GMT -5
I don't doubt what Moxley is saying, I'm just saying I don't think he is easy to work with either. I will retract the statement where I said "many sources". Now that I've thought about it I think it may be something where I've read 2 and 3 and got to 10. I see him on the Austin podcast though and I can just imagine he's a stubborn guy (nothing wrong with that). People were asking you for proof of saying he wasn’t easy to work with and you haven’t really brought much except the podcast with Austin that was awkward because it wasn’t the stuff Dean usually did in the same way other people in WWE did. If the system weren’t broken, I could see why you’d think people would be hard to work with but at the end of the day, you have to walk on eggshells and hope Vince is willing to accept 0.5% of your ideas to get anywhere so it doesn’t lead to anything but awkwardness and tension to put it moderately. Yes and I retracted my statement after further thought. I'm certainly not defending the system, it's clearly a mess.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 29, 2019 19:36:03 GMT -5
One thing that really hits me is when he talks about what WWE "takes away from you", in terms of being an artist. "Don't worry about coming up with your own promos, we've got writers, etc...", that bit. That bit hits me really hard. Like, I wonder how many guys are in that trap right now. Like, they're in this box where all they have to do is show up....I dunno, man, that depresses me hard.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:39:33 GMT -5
It might just be me but I get a feeling that the Sasha thing is gonna be similar to Ambrose's except with a lot of old school sexist bullshit thrown in. I hope I'm wrong but shit, this is Vince. She definitely don't have as much leverage as Ambrose. This is pure speculation on my end but it’s not a coincidence some of the changes with the women came around the time Bruce Pritchard came back into the fold. Yeah I agree with that too. I forgot who said it but one of the women said they love Prichard. And I wonder what happened to cause that sexual harassment meeting that Ambrose spoke about. He didn't even get into it but it was thrown in there like, you never know.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 19:40:55 GMT -5
This is pure speculation on my end but it’s not a coincidence some of the changes with the women came around the time Bruce Pritchard came back into the fold. Yeah I agree with that too. I forgot who said it but one of the women said they love Prichard. And I wonder what happened to cause that sexual harassment meeting that Ambrose spoke about. He didn't even get into it but it was thrown in there like, you never know. I figured it was just one of those routine things ya do at work sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:42:10 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with that too. I forgot who said it but one of the women said they love Prichard. And I wonder what happened to cause that sexual harassment meeting that Ambrose spoke about. He didn't even get into it but it was thrown in there like, you never know. I figured it was just one of those routine things ya do at work sometimes. Yeah that could be it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 19:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with that too. I forgot who said it but one of the women said they love Prichard. And I wonder what happened to cause that sexual harassment meeting that Ambrose spoke about. He didn't even get into it but it was thrown in there like, you never know. I figured it was just one of those routine things ya do at work sometimes. Yeah, I see that being a thing they can do in case something did happen, they can turn around and say they do that and people do to them. Not to say it isn’t genuine either and they aren’t needed because they are, just as an added caveat to it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 19:44:18 GMT -5
It might just be me but I get a feeling that the Sasha thing is gonna be similar to Ambrose's except with a lot of old school sexist bullshit thrown in. I hope I'm wrong but shit, this is Vince. She definitely don't have as much leverage as Ambrose. Maybe. I'm all ears for it if she chooses to speak and will walk back all my "laying around" jokes if need be. As for Lio's, well I dunno there. I'll listen to what he has to say and try to see it from his perspective.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 19:46:50 GMT -5
It might just be me but I get a feeling that the Sasha thing is gonna be similar to Ambrose's except with a lot of old school sexist bullshit thrown in. I hope I'm wrong but shit, this is Vince. She definitely don't have as much leverage as Ambrose. Maybe. I'm all ears for it if she chooses to speak and will walk back all my "laying around" jokes if need be. As for Lio's, well I dunno there. I'll listen to what he has to say and try to see it from his perspective. Like, even with what Lio’s said, and dude’s said some dumb shit lately, it’s always hard for me to fully take the side of a billion dollar company with access to enough spin doctors and lawyers to make them look good even if they’re in the wrong.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on May 29, 2019 19:47:55 GMT -5
Lowkey though I was kinda hoping for Dean to circle back at some point and give the real story about what happened with the #thanksMick program ;( I mean, Mick pretty much already came out and said, "WWE wouldn't clear me to wrestle so it had to be dropped".
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:50:01 GMT -5
So...SRS from Fightful did a podcast today and I'm listening to the Ambrose parts, basically... He's spoken to several wrestlers about this podcast in WWE. One was quoted as saying WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 19:50:16 GMT -5
Maybe. I'm all ears for it if she chooses to speak and will walk back all my "laying around" jokes if need be. As for Lio's, well I dunno there. I'll listen to what he has to say and try to see it from his perspective. Like, even with what Lio’s said, and dude’s said some dumb shit lately, it’s always hard for me to fully take the side of a billion dollar company with access to enough spin doctors and lawyers to make them look good even if they’re in the wrong. I dunno, an idiot is an idiot no matter who they work for and based on what's come out of his own mouth so far I'm not so inclined that I'll agree with him. We'll see what he has to say. However Kaz dropped that line hella pointedly seeming. I gotta think there's something to it regardless.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 19:50:49 GMT -5
So...SRS from Fightful did a podcast today and I'm listening to the Ambrose parts, basically... He's spoken to several wrestlers about this podcast in WWE. One was quoted as saying "this podcast is breaking my heart because it's verbatum how I feel. I'm at the part where physical nausea hits every Monday." SRS then said "maybe you need a gas mask or a hazmat suit" as a joke. Then the wrestler said "glad it's out there, it won't change anything but I do get paid well every week." SRS then brought up the CM Punk thing and the wrestler said "Moxley is more respected as a more non-whiny bitch I think by the office. Punk had a tendency to complain, Ambrose did the work. I've never heard words spoken and I felt like I did listening to that. He deserves the best. I thought I could make everything work but maybe I can't after listening to that." WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Damn.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 19:52:25 GMT -5
So...SRS from Fightful did a podcast today and I'm listening to the Ambrose parts, basically... He's spoken to several wrestlers about this podcast in WWE. One was quoted as saying
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Christ, that last paragraph is a freaking bummer to read.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:53:11 GMT -5
Now that NXT's done, I can finally listen to this. This is going to be some good shit.
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