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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 29, 2019 19:53:48 GMT -5
I think that one needs its own thread in WWE. Even though it's from an anonymous wrestler, that's some strong wording.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 19:53:50 GMT -5
Something irking me now is like, Seth Rollins shamelessly going to bat for how great WWE is ("I didn't realize all of you were backstage and know what it's like" or whatever) and sticking up for the "writing five hours of TV is hard tho" excuse for the show being bad, but then being upset that his friend is THIS unhappy and wants out? Seth will only publicly go to bat for those who'll give him a push. And before anyone says, "Well kissing WWE's ass is par the course!" you know what the other option is, not saying anything rather than lying. Being the "Nothing to see here" Guy is a bad look. Saying nothing is not an option He's in WWE, he's playing the game like everyone else. I see no point of singling out someone still in the system. Dean played the game as well but he got out Saying nothing is not how you advance your career in there.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:56:06 GMT -5
I mean... at least the wrestler said they get paid well every week. I do feel for anyone who's in it for more than just the money, though.
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Post by FinalGwen on May 29, 2019 19:57:54 GMT -5
This was a fascinating and damning listen. WWE really is fundamentally broken on the creative level as well as the moral one, and will be until Vince is no longer in charge. I've been in jobs where bad management has really screwed things up and consistently pushed things that transparaently won't work rather than focusing on our strengths, and it is so demoralising, and to have to deal with that in a more creative field while also putting your physical well being on the line every week must be awful.
It's very nice to hear Moxley's enthusiasm though, it seems like the future is bright outside of WWE, and the serendipity of the timing really is astounding. I can't wait to see what they do next.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 19:58:16 GMT -5
Maybe. I'm all ears for it if she chooses to speak and will walk back all my "laying around" jokes if need be. As for Lio's, well I dunno there. I'll listen to what he has to say and try to see it from his perspective. Like, even with what Lio’s said, and dude’s said some dumb shit lately, it’s always hard for me to fully take the side of a billion dollar company with access to enough spin doctors and lawyers to make them look good even if they’re in the wrong. Idk, Lio is a diff story tho. The whole bags and water thing withstanding he's been putting himself in hot water since day 1. Not all of that is on the company and Lio has a part to play in that so i'd lean more on their side especially since Lio gave an account and it came across worse than before But we shall see what more he has to say
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 19:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2019 20:00:39 GMT -5
Like, even with what Lio’s said, and dude’s said some dumb shit lately, it’s always hard for me to fully take the side of a billion dollar company with access to enough spin doctors and lawyers to make them look good even if they’re in the wrong. Idk, Lio is a diff story tho. The whole bags and water thing withstanding he's been putting himself in hot water since day 1. Not all of that is on the company and Lio has a part to play in that so i'd lean more on their side especially since Lio gave an account and it came across worse than before But we shall see what more he has to say Oh no, understand that entirely. Just...yeah, feels icky to side with a large company like that regardless.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 29, 2019 20:01:56 GMT -5
This explains so much as to why I could never stand Dean Ambrose on my brief views of him on WWE. Vince? 😁 Such as? What does it explain? Ambrose went out and did everything the Vince told him to do. How does this make Ambrose look bad or worse to you? Just curious.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 20:03:28 GMT -5
Idk, Lio is a diff story tho. The whole bags and water thing withstanding he's been putting himself in hot water since day 1. Not all of that is on the company and Lio has a part to play in that so i'd lean more on their side especially since Lio gave an account and it came across worse than before But we shall see what more he has to say Oh no, understand that entirely. Just...yeah, feels icky to side with a large company like that regardless. Ehh, the company is a big f*** up but there is nothing wrong in seeing their side when it is applicable but through all the BS sometimes makes it difficult
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:07:56 GMT -5
"If they're gonna sell a Shield DVD in Cambodia two years from now, I'm getting my 2.7 cents, better believe that." God bless you, you brilliant bastard.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:26:52 GMT -5
The thought of the writers and Vince high fiving in the back after a shitty Raw while Moxley goes, "I need a drink" is both sad and hilarious.
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Post by Venti on May 29, 2019 20:32:41 GMT -5
Talking about being driven to go to the hotel and drink, and looking up depression on WebMD really struck a nerve with me.
Like, I think for creative types who look at wrestling as an artform like Jon does, WWE must be soul crushing with the micromanagement. Wow
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:33:00 GMT -5
"it's SO well written and it's going to get you a ton of heat." - Vince on the segment where Ambrose gets a shot in the ass
This man Vince is absolutely incredible. I wish I could just give him a hug and tell him to f***ing give it up already.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 29, 2019 20:34:40 GMT -5
I said this in the WWE Current thread, but you have to wonder how long it might be before we feel the full impact of stuff like this or what happened to Luke Harper and potentially Sasha, that there are people doing just what Dean did, counting the days on their contract on their phone, marking the date, and who even WWE won't know are gone until they're gone. AEW can't pick up everybody, sure, but ROH, NJPW, MLW, etc, even Impact's going to maybe be an option for the kind of people who have been saving their money and are just done with WWE creative.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:43:05 GMT -5
I loved the Punk interview, but this one's more interesting to me. Unless my memory's off and Punk touched on that as well, this one really gives you a look into how creative in general works (or doesn't work )
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 29, 2019 20:45:21 GMT -5
I said this in the WWE Current thread, but you have to wonder how long it might be before we feel the full impact of stuff like this or what happened to Luke Harper and potentially Sasha, that there are people doing just what Dean did, counting the days on their contract on their phone, marking the date, and who even WWE won't know are gone until they're gone. AEW can't pick up everybody, sure, but ROH, NJPW, MLW, etc, even Impact's going to maybe be an option for the kind of people who have been saving their money and are just done with WWE creative. I think a lot of people are just going to "play ball" and ride out their contracts like Ambrose did if they want out F*** the arguing and everyday hooblah. We already seen dominoes fall were Revival and The Club have said no to higher lucrative deals and you have others before them like Dillinger and Hideo who wanted out with their deals ending and they got out
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:47:11 GMT -5
I loved the Punk interview, but this one's more interesting to me. Unless my memory's off and Punk touched on that as well, this one really gives you a look into how creative in general works (or doesn't work ) The Punk one was great but I like this one more more due to the fact that Ambrose has generally been the guy who goes to work, keeps his head down, does what's told of him and then clocks out. Punk was complaining for years so it didn't feel the same, the Punk one didn't surprise me like this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 20:53:20 GMT -5
Moxley's impression of Seth when Moxley came back on the Raw before SummerSlam. I thought it was a great moment, but his point about it being overproduced is a good one. Mox pays attention to the little details, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:07:30 GMT -5
What accounts have said that Mox/Dean is hard to work with? Real question. Also everything that Mox said lines up with what other people say, from ex employees to dirt sheet reports so I see no reason to doubt any of this at face value. Sasha... we've heard vague rumors and speculations and haven't heard her side yet. That's all up in the air. I don't doubt what Moxley is saying, I'm just saying I don't think he is easy to work with either. I will retract the statement where I said "many sources". Now that I've thought about it I think it may be something where I've read 2 and 3 and got to 10. I see him on the Austin podcast though and I can just imagine he's a stubborn guy (nothing wrong with that). There's also when he went directly against Foley's wishes in their feud. Huh, I remember reading about a writer who recently went off about his experience there and he said Ambrose was one of the easiest people to work with. I haven't really heard a bad word about the guy. Who did he have trouble working with outside of Lesnar?
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