Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 29, 2019 21:10:15 GMT -5
Pooper scooper tells is why the Revival was scooting around the mat like dogs with worms.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:10:50 GMT -5
"My truck is paid off, my house is paid off, my mother's house is paid off. I got everything I need, what am I going to do with $10,000,000?"
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:19:54 GMT -5
What accounts have said that Mox/Dean is hard to work with? Real question. Also everything that Mox said lines up with what other people say, from ex employees to dirt sheet reports so I see no reason to doubt any of this at face value. Sasha... we've heard vague rumors and speculations and haven't heard her side yet. That's all up in the air. I don't doubt what Moxley is saying, I'm just saying I don't think he is easy to work with either. I will retract the statement where I said "many sources". Now that I've thought about it I think it may be something where I've read 2 and 3 and got to 10. I see him on the Austin podcast though and I can just imagine he's a stubborn guy (nothing wrong with that). There's also when he went directly against Foley's wishes in their feud. Eh, Sasha crying, if it happened, doesn't bother me so much if they changed the finish/booking that suddenly. And, honestly, WWE will always look more like a nickel and dime operation to me than someone in their employ could look like an entitled child considering the whole independent contractor nonsense.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 29, 2019 21:21:16 GMT -5
Can I just say how much I like that they don't just totally f*** Kayfabe to do this interview.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 29, 2019 21:21:36 GMT -5
Where do you even begin with this one? This was a legendary podcast, and I did not see it coming at all with the introduction. I thought it'd be a wishy washy "creative differences, I got fatigued, just wanted to try something new" sort of thing. He straight up called out Vince and the creative process directly, no sugar coating. He provided an inside view, not as some random writer or low-card wrestler, but as a guy who was a former WWE Champion, who was apart of one of the most popular groups of the past 10 years in The Shield. His opinion matters a lot; this is top-card guy who worked directly with the top brass. His jab at Vince's love affair with Lesnar for being paid a ton of money to "ruin your company" all for the sake of control/working for WWE was awesome to hear. The roster needed to have Ambrose be the vessel for this frustration. It will surely inspire others to abandon ship, too.
I have no doubt in my mind that AEW is going to be immediately competitive with at least Smackdown. People are starving for this. If Kahn, who they said was an actual wrestling fan who can recite things about 1998 ECW PPVs, continues to believe in it, and if they are willing to sign guys for good contracts who are bound to leave sooner rather than later, this thing has a real shot to revolutionize the business.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:33:06 GMT -5
Where do you even begin with this one? This was a legendary podcast, and I did not see it coming at all with the introduction. I thought it'd be a wishy washy "creative differences, I got fatigued, just wanted to try something new" sort of thing. He straight up called out Vince and the creative process directly, no sugar coating. He provided an inside view, not as some random writer or low-card wrestler, but as a guy who was a former WWE Champion, who was apart of one of the most popular groups of the past 10 years in The Shield. His opinion matters a lot; this is top-card guy who worked directly with the top brass. His jab at Vince's love affair with Lesnar for being paid a ton of money to "ruin your company" all for the sake of control/working for WWE was awesome to hear. The roster needed to have Ambrose be the vessel for this frustration. It will surely inspire others to abandon ship, too. I have no doubt in my mind that AEW is going to be immediately competitive with at least Smackdown. People are starving for this. If Kahn, who they said was an actual wrestling fan who can recite things about 1998 ECW PPVs, continues to believe in it, and if they are willing to sign guys for good contracts who are bound to leave sooner rather than later, this thing has a real shot to revolutionize the business. Yeah, he starts off the podcast by saying he was grateful for his time in WWE because he met his wife there and got to meet cool fans and stuff, then he just completely starts shitting on them and even says Vince sucks. This was a great way to spend 90 minutes.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on May 29, 2019 21:35:38 GMT -5
Great great podcast, best interview I've heard from Jon (Dean), and one of the best shoots in general.
Happy for him, sounds like things were tough and he rode it out in style, sounds like he's in a great place. Was fun to hear that he had all these ideas about wrestling while he was out injured, and now he'll finally have a chance to run free creatively.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:38:05 GMT -5
"Your creative process sucks. Change it."
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EyeofTyr
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 29, 2019 21:46:16 GMT -5
One thing upon reflection after listening to this earlier that sort of clicked in my head and made me realize something...
The movie rumors likely came from Vince and WWE themselves.
Moxley earlier in the podcast scoffs at the rumor, but then mentions he texted Vince that he was on a film set because he knew Vince would think he meant a movie.
Now admittedly Moxley could've texted that to other people too, but based on what we know Vince was the only one he texted that to and the only one he really needed to fib to about what he was doing.
Which that tells me either Vince somehow leaked that himself or, and this is more likely, Vince was gossiping with his people about it. I wouldn't even be surprised if he was complaining about it (Vince has always hated seeing his talent go onto movies after they've left the E due to his weird hang-up's with the entertainment industry and his own industry). That is an interesting tidbit of information. Because it implies the leaks and sources within WWE to certain journalists may be higher up than most of probably assumed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 21:51:36 GMT -5
MAN, what a great listen. Moxley was my favorite guy in WWE for a couple years and after this, I've become an even bigger fan. He sounds like a cool dude who's genuinely just a wrestling nerd and wants to do good things creatively.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 29, 2019 21:53:40 GMT -5
I'm starting to think South Park's parody of Professional Wrestling wasn't to far off listening to this.
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Post by chazraps on May 29, 2019 22:07:59 GMT -5
He didn't do that. That's not what happened. Foley couldn't get cleared, so the feud got shelved, and they "kayfabed" that little part so Dean could keep his edge. Okay I stand corrected then. Didn't realise that was kayfabed. Yeah, it's interesting as at a time that nobody was kayfabing on the internet, Foley was able to conceptualize how to let he and Ambrose play out to get him an early buzz and it was so effective a substantial part of the internet still thinks it's real. It's like the Lawler-Kaufman incident and how until comparatively recently there were a large number of people not knowing it was a work - to the point where it regularly popped up in "when celebrities argue and fight on camera" specials for years and years.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 22:22:26 GMT -5
Can I just say how much I like that they don't just totally f*** Kayfabe to do this interview. It is great but that’s how Jericho does his podcast I can only think of 2 times off the top of my head they did a total kayfabe interview and that was Bray Wyatt around the time they were feuding and it was awful and then Matt Hardy when in Impact did a full episode as Broken Matt that was excellent.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 29, 2019 22:31:39 GMT -5
I said it in the other thread, but f*** Vince. I’m rooting for AEW hard. Wrestling needs an alternative to kick WWE in the ass and AEW might be it.
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 29, 2019 22:47:03 GMT -5
My favorite line was in the beginning when he was reading the script on Smackdown and just rips it to shreds saying “this is not what a normal person would say” lmao
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Post by Doctor Of Style on May 29, 2019 22:47:39 GMT -5
That was an interesting listen, Moxley was savage. I don't even dislike WWE or Vince, but I hope that lights a fire under their asses to step it up.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 22:49:52 GMT -5
That was an interesting listen, Moxley was savage. I don't even dislike WWE or Vince, but I hope that lights a fire under their asses to step it up. I think even if you don't give a shit about Moxley and you enjoy WWE's product, this is a really interesting listen because you get to hear what creative's like for even the bigger stars in the company.
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Post by honsou on May 29, 2019 23:11:51 GMT -5
That's the inoculations one. Literally cracked up when he said "there is no shower than can wash away your sins" because you can see in Ambrose's expression that he HATES this. Just the look on his face the first 2 or 3 seconds screams "Oh god I hate my life, I hate this, I hate everything" and then he was able to turn it on and at least deliver the lines the best any human being could.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 23:14:58 GMT -5
That's the inoculations one. Literally cracked up when he said "there is no shower than can wash away your sins" because you can see in Ambrose's expression that he HATES this. Just the look on his face the first 2 or 3 seconds screams "Oh god I hate my life, I hate this, I hate everything" and then he was able to turn it on and at least deliver the lines the best any human being could. I think he might be better than Cena when it comes to taking crap and making it something interesting. The material he was given is just straight trash that's character related rather than being given bad lines. Dude's whole character was shot.
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Post by Evil Homer on May 29, 2019 23:42:42 GMT -5
absolutely awesome interview. They didnt learn from Punk and they probably won’t learn from this
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