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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 29, 2019 12:57:40 GMT -5
I think that’s a bit extreme. Fair point. Perhaps I was being a bit hyperbolic. However, I will say that I fully believe that there are many more unhappy people under WWE contract than there are happy people under WWE contract. That’s more reasonable. I’d venture a closer to 50/50, it’s just the ones who are unhappy on the outs are what gets the headlines. If Apollo Crews left tomorrow and said, “I liked every minute of my time, Thx WWE” I don’t think anyone would blink an eye, yet if he trashed the place there’d be a multi-page long “TOLD YA!” thread. |
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2019 13:12:48 GMT -5
It gains more traction when a dude who spent a ton of his time working in mainevents is saying the things Moxley is saying.
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Post by toodarkmark on May 29, 2019 14:20:15 GMT -5
If you have a passion for professional wrestling and any creativity, WWE is a horrible working environment.
If you are older, tired, ok collecting a paycheck, and need to work on being recognizable for conventions in 20 years, it's a good place to work.
Or if you're younger and no one knows who you are, and you don't care what it is you do, then it's also good.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 29, 2019 14:22:18 GMT -5
If you have a passion for professional wrestling and any creativity, WWE is a horrible working environment. If you are older, tired, ok collecting a paycheck, and need to work on being recognizable for conventions in 20 years, it's a good place to work. Or if you're younger and no one knows who you are, and you don't care what it is you do, then it's also good. Or if you watched it when you were younger and dreamed of going there. And I'd imagine it was worse 10+ years back at least....at least there's no JBL, Holly, or Benoit antics. Nor access to drugs and more. The rest to me comes down to "We all don't like our job all the time" which happens everywhere. |
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Post by Mecca on May 29, 2019 15:36:17 GMT -5
If you have a passion for professional wrestling and any creativity, WWE is a horrible working environment. If you are older, tired, ok collecting a paycheck, and need to work on being recognizable for conventions in 20 years, it's a good place to work. Or if you're younger and no one knows who you are, and you don't care what it is you do, then it's also good. Or if you watched it when you were younger and dreamed of going there. And I'd imagine it was worse 10+ years back at least....at least there's no JBL, Holly, or Benoit antics. Nor access to drugs and more. The rest to me comes down to "We all don't like our job all the time" which happens everywhere. I'm sure several of those guys who dreamed of going there are the same ones who are unhappy now. And for how it use to be, yes there were f***ed up things going on but today it's just different f***ed up things. I'm sure plenty of guys who work there today consider it a terrible environment because they have no say over anything they do. |
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Post by Brian Suntan on May 29, 2019 20:08:37 GMT -5
I don't like the characterisation that anybody who doesn't hate working for the WWE doesn't care about art or is just collecting a paycheck.
There are people in the WWE who who have been doing really good stuff on a consistent basis this year (Seth, Styles, Kofi, Becky, Bryan, Bray, Orton).
With Moxley, it's a case where not only did they not go with any of his ideas, they seemingly outdid themselves on a weekly basis to come up with things he'd hate.
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Post by nisidhe on May 29, 2019 21:06:39 GMT -5
I don't like the characterisation that anybody who doesn't hate working for the WWE doesn't care about art or is just collecting a paycheck. There are people in the WWE who who have been doing really good stuff on a consistent basis this year (Seth, Styles, Kofi, Becky, Bryan, Bray, Orton). With Moxley, it's a case where not only did they not go with any of his ideas, they seemingly outdid themselves on a weekly basis to come up with things he'd hate. The issue with WWE's creative direction is manifold. Vince has no knowledge whatsoever of anything that could be applied to a good wrestling narrative, yet he will run into the ground any capricious idea he either comes up with himself or latches onto from some bar napkin left behind by one of the writers. The only times a narrative or gimmick has succeeded and got over have been when the in-ring talent created it and had a huge stake in protecting it. Even then, Vince will do his damnedest to bury such ideas. |
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Post by Dub H on May 29, 2019 21:08:39 GMT -5
I don't like the characterisation that anybody who doesn't hate working for the WWE doesn't care about art or is just collecting a paycheck. There are people in the WWE who who have been doing really good stuff on a consistent basis this year (Seth, Styles, Kofi, Becky, Bryan, Bray, Orton). With Moxley, it's a case where not only did they not go with any of his ideas, they seemingly outdid themselves on a weekly basis to come up with things he'd hate. The issue with WWE's creative direction is manifold. Vince has no knowledge whatsoever of anything that could be applied to a good wrestling narrative, yet he will run into the ground any capricious idea he either comes up with himself or latches onto from some bar napkin left behind by one of the writers. The only times a narrative or gimmick has succeeded and got over have been when the in-ring talent created it and had a huge stake in protecting it. Even then, Vince will do his damnedest to bury such ideas. Reminder that the only reason The New Day worked is because they played up to be reacted as heels. Vince's genius idea was that 3 Black Preacher being one of the biggest attractions. Given,the New Day worked out but I place it 80% on The New Day |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 29, 2019 22:13:07 GMT -5
Pretty good, according this propaganda inspiring and empowering video from earlier this month showcasing how fun it is to work for WWE's creative team!
The footage of Dean Ambrose looking frustrated as he yanks off his jacket is hilarious in retrospect.
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Post by Yamashita Enforcement Division on May 30, 2019 3:15:39 GMT -5
I don't like the characterisation that anybody who doesn't hate working for the WWE doesn't care about art or is just collecting a paycheck. There are people in the WWE who who have been doing really good stuff on a consistent basis this year (Seth, Styles, Kofi, Becky, Bryan, Bray, Orton). With Moxley, it's a case where not only did they not go with any of his ideas, they seemingly outdid themselves on a weekly basis to come up with things he'd hate. Here is the thing, the process by which people make the shows (based on the Moxley interview and other recounts) really sucks if you are a talent who has a deep creative drive. To paraphrase Moxley, WWE doesn't need you to think about your promos, a writer will do that for you; WWE doesn't need you to work out your matches, you'll be assigned an agent who will write them for you; WWE doesn't need you to think about your programs, because the creative team has that figured out for you. If you like having creative input into your work, WWE is done like an assembly line, with each station directly micromanaged by Vince McMahon. Regardless of if your stuff at the moment is good or bad, it certainly isn't your stuff without that ownership over the creative work that you have when you are making it and bringing it to life before your eyes. If that is gone there is nothing to do but let the spark and drive go out. |
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Post by Brian Suntan on May 30, 2019 4:05:26 GMT -5
I don't like the characterisation that anybody who doesn't hate working for the WWE doesn't care about art or is just collecting a paycheck. There are people in the WWE who who have been doing really good stuff on a consistent basis this year (Seth, Styles, Kofi, Becky, Bryan, Bray, Orton). With Moxley, it's a case where not only did they not go with any of his ideas, they seemingly outdid themselves on a weekly basis to come up with things he'd hate. Here is the thing, the process by which people make the shows (based on the Moxley interview and other recounts) really sucks if you are a talent who has a deep creative drive. To paraphrase Moxley, WWE doesn't need you to think about your promos, a writer will do that for you; WWE doesn't need you to work out your matches, you'll be assigned an agent who will write them for you; WWE doesn't need you to think about your programs, because the creative team has that figured out for you. If you like having creative input into your work, WWE is done like an assembly line, with each station directly micromanaged by Vince McMahon. Regardless of if your stuff at the moment is good or bad, it certainly isn't your stuff without that ownership over the creative work that you have when you are making it and bringing it to life before your eyes. If that is gone there is nothing to do but let the spark and drive go out. I guess the point I'm making is that it's just not black and white. The people who leave or are terminally unhappy are not inherently more creative, higher level artists than those who stay. WWE's creative process is clearly flawed and bloated but largely the same as most other enormous corporations. It's still possible to create good things there (either aided by or inspite of), as those mentioned prove fairly regularly. |
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Post by Paul on May 30, 2019 4:17:42 GMT -5
Pretty good, according this propaganda inspiring and empowering video from earlier this month showcasing how fun it is to work for WWE's creative team! The footage of Dean Ambrose looking frustrated as he yanks off his jacket is hilarious in retrospect. It blows my mind that these days they acknowledge that these people even exist. Back in the days of total kayfabe they wanted you to believe that it was all real and spontaneous. I know that was a long time ago but it still blows my mind. |
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Post by theironyuppie on May 30, 2019 4:24:49 GMT -5
If you have a passion for professional wrestling and any creativity, WWE is a horrible working environment. If you are older, tired, ok collecting a paycheck, and need to work on being recognizable for conventions in 20 years, it's a good place to work. Or if you're younger and no one knows who you are, and you don't care what it is you do, then it's also good. Or if you watched it when you were younger and dreamed of going there. And I'd imagine it was worse 10+ years back at least....at least there's no JBL, Holly, or Benoit antics. Nor access to drugs and more. The rest to me comes down to "We all don't like our job all the time" which happens everywhere. And that’s even besides the enormous difference in the way women are treated over even several years ago. (Yesterday was only the 5-year anniversary of the breakthrough Natalya/Charlotte NXT match) Of course you can’t say it’s perfect, but there is difference from how it used to be, and in some positive ways even if we rightly feel for some of the more frustrated talent. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 6:36:12 GMT -5
WWE's Working Environment shortened is WWE.
Mind blown.
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Post by BoomPeriod on May 30, 2019 6:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 14:17:50 GMT -5
So bad, WWE now stands for Worst Working Environment.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 30, 2019 14:21:07 GMT -5
If wrestlers in the prime of their lives are walking away from millions of dollars, it's bad.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 14:30:30 GMT -5
I thought about this yesterday but it feels like WWE's work environment has taken away what made many of the wrestlers "superstars" back in the day. When you watch these old ppvs, the old moments, the Golden Era, stuff like that you always hear about how those wrestlers are themselves but turned up to 100. You always read these stories about how they became who they became, what they did, what made them them and even more so for the Attitude Era guys. Edge and Christian for example, their podcast is a great example of it given they've talked about how they became the Edge and Christian we know.
But WWE's work environment, they've taken away your voice so that's your mouth, just gone. They've taken away who you are as a person because it's not about who you are, it's about who Vince sees you as so there's there. All you have access to is your physique and in-ring skills which, if Vince doesn't like it, he can tell you to stop doing a move in favor of someone else (Ambrose had to stop doing the Cannonball because Owens came in).
Basically you're essentially a puppet but back in the day however your voice, your gimmick, that's one of the reasons people wanna do it.
We've been playing WWE games for years. Warzone in 98 was the first wrestling game to allow you to create a wrestler from scratch. Now, imagine if in these games you couldn't have the gimmick you want, have the story you want, have the style you want, had to change some moves of yours, just go down the list man, that would be damaging.
It's crazy.
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Post by Mecca on May 30, 2019 14:38:20 GMT -5
It goes back to something that's been said for years......the WWE doesn't care who you like, they want to pick who the stars are and by homogonizing everything in that fashion they make it where no one is really allowed to get over except the guys they pick. On top of that they are only allowed to get to a certain level because the brand is the star.
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Post by Dub H on May 30, 2019 14:39:08 GMT -5
I thought about this yesterday but it feels like WWE's work environment has taken away what made many of the wrestlers "superstars" back in the day. When you watch these old ppvs, the old moments, the Golden Era, stuff like that you always hear about how those wrestlers are themselves but turned up to 100. You always read these stories about how they became who they became, what they did, what made them them and even more so for the Attitude Era guys. Edge and Christian for example, their podcast is a great example of it given they've talked about how they became the Edge and Christian we know. But WWE's work environment, they've taken away your voice so that's your mouth, just gone. They've taken away who you are as a person because it's not about who you are, it's about who Vince sees you as so there's there. All you have access to is your physique and in-ring skills which, if Vince doesn't like it, he can tell you to stop doing a move in favor of someone else (Ambrose had to stop doing the Cannonball because Owens came in). Basically you're essentially a puppet but back in the day however your voice, your gimmick, that's one of the reasons people wanna do it. We've been playing WWE games for years. Warzone in 98 was the first wrestling game to allow you to create a wrestler from scratch. Now, imagine if in these games you couldn't have the gimmick you want, have the story you want, have the style you want, had to change some moves of yours, just go down the list man, that would be damaging. It's crazy. Because nowdays vince doesnt want wrestlers. As Ambrose said,he wants actors. Wrestling is not a tv show but vince treats it as such. He bring failed sitcoms writers and wants wrestlers to act the way he wants because this is HIS TV show. He wants compete with movies and Disney,not have wrestling. |
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